Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. (56) And as for those who believe and do good works, We shall make them enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow - to dwell therein for ever; there for them are pure companions - and We shall make them enter plenteous shade. (57) surat al-nsaa
The sensation of skin pain
It was not clear then that there were specialized nerves in the body responsible for transporting all kinds of pain and other sensations, until recently when anatomy has discovered the role of specialized nerve endings in transporting all different kinds of pain.
Does the Koran say that "there are specialized nerves in the body responsible for transporting all kinds of pain and other sensations"? All I see is a statement that seems to indicate that pain is felt through skin. Nothing impressive.
Your other example is the same. You only need to climb up a mountain to feel your "chest narrow, tight as if you were climbing up to the sky", because you're actually doing so in a way.
Nice try. Though I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't choose more impressive examples that I've been presented with sometime ago... which were ultimately debunked either by me, or by other people, for several reasons:
1- All Koran verses or hadiths I've seen so far, which are supposed to contain "scientific miracles" were too vague, and could be interpreted in many different ways. Somehow the interpretors chose the meaning which suited their purposes best, and which is in many instances the least likely. Either these people are purposefully doing so, or their brain is playing tricks to them. The phenomenon is called
apophenia.
Apophenia is the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data. The term was coined in 1958 by Klaus Conrad,[1] who defined it as the "unmotivated seeing of connections" accompanied by a "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness".
Indeed, it's not that difficult to make a large number of vague statements and hope that some of them would turn out to be true, especially if you have an army of ardent believers who will look into every detail and seek every possible interpretation to make it forcibly so.
2- Koran isn't the only old text which seems to contain "scientific miracles". For example, as noted by
Richard Carrier, in De Rerum Natura (on the nature of things) a poem written by Lucretius centuries before the Koran, Lucretius mentions many scientific concepts and laws that would only be discovered in the 17th century and later: the law of Inertia, Rain cycle, light being composed of particles, earthquakes caused by slipping fault lines, etc... Does this make Lucretius my prophet and Epicurus (from which Lucretius took his statements) my god? Like I'll explain in several lines, certainly not.
Another example: In his book "
The Tao of Physics", the American physicist
Frijtof Capra points out to the fact that many concepts and established facts in contemporary physics, especially quantum mechanics, such as Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, the dual nature of light, etc. are present in Eastern mystic religions such as Buddhism and Taoism. Again that makes neither Buddhism nor Taoism the "one true religion".
Actually I wouldn't be surprised that one would find "miracles" and "predictions" seemingly relevant to our time in
any old text.
3- Many supposed scientific miracles were actually common knowledge of the time, mainly due to the Hellenistic influence on the Middle East, which had its impact on both Judaism and Christianity. Koran has merely copied the ideas in vogue at that time from Jewish and Christian sources, and popular knowledge.
4- Koran has many scientific errors, and there are many examples (some were given by Mycernius earlier, but you totally ignored them). Here's another one from me:
The Koran says that the universe was created in six days...
Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds! (7:54)
Link to sourate 7.
... and somewhere else it says that each day in Allah's measurement is 1000 earthly years => the universe as it is now (Earth included) was created in 6000 years!!?
You could jump in and say "But Allah also said in another verse that a divine day is equivalent to 50.000 earthly years". OK, let's ignore the new contradiction (1000=50.000?!) and suppose that it's 50.000 years instead of 1000. That would still make it 300.000 years, it's less than 1/3 the time it took for the first generation of stars to come to being (ours belongs to the second generation), and less that 1/300 the duration of the formation of our solar system.
Let's stretch things further and suppose a divine day could be anything from 0 to infinity; even then, Koran seems to have failed to give the right order and proportions:
Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds. (41:09)
He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask; (41:10)
Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; (41:12)
Link to sourate 41.
First, if we consider the verses chronologically, Earth seems to be created before the rest of the universe!!?
Second, it took Allah 2 days to create Earth and 2 more days to adorn it with mountains and such, i.e. 4 days among the 6. 2/3 of the duration for Earth and 1/3 for the rest of the universe!!
5- Like I pointed out earlier (though I didn't explain), the very reasoning behind the claims of miracles in Koran is flawed. Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that there are scientific facts in the Koran. First you'd need to prove, with a feeble probability of error, that there's no way those facts could've been discovered, or guessed, in the earlier times (A). Unfortunately for you, there were many civilizations that existed before Islam with scientific traditions in the region (mainly the Greek, but also Babylonians, Indians, etc.). There's little chance anything presented in Koran doesn't come from earlier discoveries or theories.
But just to move on, let's suppose that you did prove statement (A). Our next move would be to prove that there are no ideas presented in Koran which contradict current scientific knowledge, otherwise we would fall in case (1), i.e. that Koran simply makes a large number of statements hoping that some of them would be proven true someday. Again unfortunately for you, I did find at least one example of propositions in Koran which contradict modern scientific knowledge. But like I said in an earlier post, I never state anything with 100% certainty: maybe Mycernius and I misunderstood something. Let's move on! What do we have now? We have a book that was written 14 centuries earlier, which contains scientific knowledge unknown and unknowable at that time, and no contradiction with modern science. Does that necessarily imply that it was authored by a supernatural being called Allah? Not at all!! There are many other possibilities which could answer our hypothetical question: as ridiculous and far-fetched this may seem, it would be more plausible to think that Muhammad was abducted by aliens or came in contact with an advanced secret civilization, who taught him his supposed scientific knowledge. You're simply picking the answer matching your purposes, although it is the one that requires the greatest leap of faith.
In the end, the argument of Koranic scientific miracles is just one the greatest epics of
paralogism and logical fallacies. Take that as a consolation.
Lastly, you may be seeing a miracle in that verse in the first quote, but what strikes most me is how vindictive and cruel your god is in torturing people, simply for denying his supposed existence. That is by no means a merciful god...
hello Zoon van Ijs
if you wan't me to give Koran scientific miracles . i can
but you have to know if you was really want to Know the truth you should To see well and focus on what i will say .
I hope you did the same and read my post.
