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Why do you exist ?

Well, in 2003, when I was driving on a highway in a snow storm, a mini van bumped my car from behind. My car was spinning and ended up in the opposite direction of the all the other vehicles and I could see them driving towards my car. However, all of them had missed my car, and nothing was damaged. Neither me nor my car! I just thought I was lucky and left the scene.

Nevertheless, on December 18, 2008, a complete stranger who was blind, came to me and told me that it was Jesus Christ who saved me. I wasn't even a Christian back then.

So, why do I exist? I am supposed to tell as many people as I can, that Jesus really exists and he saved my life. Therefore, I am actually happy that I was laid off because now I have more time to tell more people. I am so busy that I don't even have time to go to the bank!
 
I don't need to, because I am wealthier than everyone in my family except my father.

I do not have the opportunity to do what you did to my cousins.

I say foul play. Red card, red card!



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Wow, what has this thread become? It is looking like a competition of who can kick helpless person in the groin in the cheapest and most pathetic manner.

Not an activity I want to join at all, let alone try to "win" at.
 
Wow, what has this thread become? It is looking like a competition of who can kick helpless person in the groin in the cheapest and most pathetic manner.
Not an activity I want to join at all, let alone try to "win" at.

Spoilsport.

I find it comedic. :)

Of course, everyone has their own taste.



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well, my life kinda sucks...
i kinda got used to that that i live for the others and not for myself...
yeah i am pessimistic but have my own reasons for that. >.<
 
Everything sucks when you're 16.
:)

On the original topic, why do you people keep trying to figure out reason when there isn't any. at all We just exist, there is no why.
 
On the original topic, why do you people keep trying to figure out reason when there isn't any. at all We just exist, there is no why.
So the first or continual cause mechanism can be any/all of :
a. refined into a marketable product
b. abused for shits and giggles
c. abused for fun and profit
d. ???
e. Promotions!
 
You take a very biased stance towards the meaning of life.

In such a way, that I can just as well take the opposite stance to negate yours.

The meaning of life is:
a. To meet God
b. To go to Heaven
c. To be held accountable
d. For ultimate justice to be executed
e. To go to Hell





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That could be interpreted syncretically actually.
But in all seriousness, the bulk of any inquiry through the ages has been in relation to how it benefits the inquirer, often at the expense of some other party.

That of the meaning of life is (i think) to find root cause justification and motivation when trying to convince others that one's own desires are in their best interests.

for example:

The meaning of life is ! (and this is why I want you to do it!)
To procreate and continue the species! ( I desire crazy monkey sex, and havent got any yet!)
To be happy! ( I need your co-operation in getting happy, and it's entirely possible that we're under mutually exclusive desires!)
To know God and serve Him wholeheartedly! ( fill in your interpretation here)
etc.
 
I actually agree with you completely, except on one part.

The argumentation you delivered applies to most "believers", in my opinion.

But there are a few, and I count myself as one of them, whom don't believe in a higher being purely out of self-benefit.

I believe in God just as much as I am convinced I'll be going to Hell.





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But there are a few, and I count myself as one of them, whom don't believe in a higher being purely out of self-benefit.

I believe in God just as much as I am convinced I'll be going to Hell.
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While I wont reduce your conviction(which I cant determine as sarcasm or not), I will point out that someone's self interest got you to that place of understanding, even if they happened to have died 16 centuries ago.
 
I beg to differ, my friend.

I would like to see how you arrived at the conclusion that the person in question, namely Mohammad, acted out of self-interest and propagated the existence of God and the religion of Islam.

It will remain an uncertainty until you can provide evidence/proof otherwise.

Some people choose to not give him the benefit of the doubt, others do.

At this point of time, the decision is an entirely subjective one.






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I beg to differ, my friend.

I would like to see how you arrived at the conclusion that the person in question, namely Mohammad, acted out of self-interest and propagated the existence of God and the religion of Islam.

It will remain an uncertainty until you can provide evidence/proof otherwise.

Some people choose to not give him the benefit of the doubt, others do.

At this point of time, the decision is an entirely subjective one.






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I am not going to argue that mr M was not inspired, indeed that is kind of the focus of my point:
How many people have you read about who when God, Satan,Shiva, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster directly told them to do anything, said no?
How many of them survived past the next few chapters?
If you sass off to God, He will personally ***** slap you. This is very rarely in one's self interest.

As for the religion of Islam, Extended Saracenstan (so called because I forget what it was named at the time) has a long and proud history of cattle theft and related shenanigansup until Islam happened to it. The same could be argued about Christianity for Europe. In both cases, there is a traceable benefit to either the individuals who introduced it ( e.g. Mr. M &, Constantine [a pox upon him])Their descendants, or those whose interests were merged with their own.
 
How does all this support the whole idea of teleology. I fail to understand it.
Frankly. We don't bloody know why we're here, so its rather logical to say that we're just here, we have no purpose.
You could go on to draw up a nice story backed by "faith", but hey, the question "is there a purpose?" is much more accurate than "what is the meaning of life?" The answer "no, there is no purpose" stands a 50% chance of being correct, whereas a totally unfounded (but admittedly fascinating) answer to the other question is much more unlikely to be right.
 
You again.

Get in chat so I can make fun of you.




How does all this support the whole idea of teleology. I fail to understand it.
Frankly. We don't bloody know why we're here, so its rather logical to say that we're just here, we have no purpose.
You could go on to draw up a nice story backed by "faith", but hey, the question "is there a purpose?" is much more accurate than "what is the meaning of life?" The answer "no, there is no purpose" stands a 50% chance of being correct, whereas a totally unfounded (but admittedly fascinating) answer to the other question is much more unlikely to be right.


I'm not arguing for theology.

All my argument was revolving around, was the subjectivity and falsehood of claiming the purpose of life to be none in an absolutist manner.

I approached the question only with the opposite angle taken, which is, by all counts, theism.






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You again.

Get in chat so I can make fun of you.







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I think my time is better spent even if I look at the ceiling, generally feeling bored.
Besides, I do not count buggery as a hobby of mine, so I'll pass.

But anyhow, have a pleasant time e-peening.


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On the original topic, why do you people keep trying to figure out reason when there isn't any. at all We just exist, there is no why.

Agreed. I don't believe there's an ultimate reason for human existence, but I think that each one of us can create his own Raison d'être... we may even agree on a common goal to a certain scale..
 
I'm not arguing for theology.

All my argument was revolving around, was the subjectivity and falsehood of claiming the purpose of life to be none in an absolutist manner.

I approached the question only with the opposite angle taken, which is, by all counts, theism.
What if I ask you about a rock I happened to see on the street today? Am I incorrect to assume that you would think that it is less likely to have a meaning in it's existance?
 
Agreed. I don't believe there's an ultimate reason for human existence, but I think that each one of us can create his own Raison d'être... we may even agree on a common goal to a certain scale..

Its not too modest to state that. How could we create a reason? Either there is one, or there is not. We either establish some sort of teleological theory, or fail to do so. A subjective reason, while very reassuring, is sort of false.

Besides. Creating one takes away most of the fun. The unsurmountable fear of death and the constant thinking.
Whilst I may sound like a freak now, I have to say this, I enjoy that almost all my recreational interests revolve around this matter.
I also believe that if you strip the world bare of subjective values attached to it, you will be able to see every single occurrence for what it truly is: fact. It gives you a world without sugarcoat, and your mind freedom to expand whichever way it wishes, without the boundaries of popular values.
 
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