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いま、私は 日本語の書くかたを れんしゅうから、皆さん てつだって ください。
Now, I want to practice my Japanese writing, so please everyone help me.

私の ゆめは 日本に 日本人と 話して、日本のことを ならう。
My dream is to speak to Japanese people in Japan and to learn more about Japan.

ヱストミニスターだいがく いち年せいの生徒 で、コンピュターを 勉強する。
At Westminister University I'm a 1st year student studying computing.

So how far off was I, how could I improve what I meant and last but not least if I wanted to say 'would like to practice' can I say something like れんしゅうしたいです? I'm still beginner so please forgive any stupid mistakes I probably have made.

Thank you! :)
 
I know computer is コンピューター. That's all I can contribute.
 
First off, I'd like to say I'm no where near fluent, so you sould probably wait or someone more experienced.... But, I, personally would say things a bit differently. This is how (and keep in mind that this might now be 100% correct):

僕(私)は今日本語の書き方を練習したいですから、手伝ってくれてくださいね。
boku (watashi) wa ima nihongo no kakikata o renshuu shitai desu kara, tetsudatte kurete kudasai ne.
Now, I want to practice my Japanese writing, so please everyone help me.

夢は日本に日本人と話すことで、もっと日本の事を習うことです。
yume wa nihon ni nihonjin to hanasu koto de, motto nihon no koto o narau koto desu.
My dream is to speak to Japanese people in Japan and to learn more about Japan.

ウエストミニスター大学でコンピューターを勉強している1年生です。
uesutominisutaa daigaku de conpyuutaa o benkyou shite iru 1nensei desu.
At Westminister University I'm a 1st year student studying computing.

I'm not sure about any of them completely, but if I were to say thee sentences with all of the knowledge that I have currently, this is how I would say them.

I hope this helps. (:
 
Thank alot dude, but I have a few questions for you.

僕(私)は今日本語の書き方を練習したいですから、手伝ってくれてくださいね。
boku (watashi) wa ima nihongo no kakikata o renshuu shitai desu kara, tetsudatte kurete kudasai ne.
Now, I want to practice my Japanese writing, so please everyone help me.

Is tetsudatte is the past te form and I always wanted to know what is the 'kurete' do?

夢は日本に日本人と話すことで、もっと日本の事を習うことです。
yume wa nihon ni nihonjin to hanasu koto de, motto nihon no koto o narau koto desu.
My dream is to speak to Japanese people in Japan and to learn more about
Japan.

nihon no koto o narau koto desu = the learning about what is Japan is it?
 
lol hopefully all of it is correct! but here, lemme answer your questions:

1.) tetsudatte = -te form of tetsudau (to help)
kurete = -te form of kureru (to give)

hen you use the -te form and then kureru, it means like "you do for me, somebody else does for you/me". So like in this case, it's like "do the help for me". I guess... lol

2.) the "my dream is to blahblah" is where the "~koto desu" comes in. if you noticed, koto desu is also after hanasu., and "is to learn....." is why there's koto desu at the end. It's kinda hard to explain, and ive learned for experience that u shouldnt really directly trasate to english because it won't really make sence.... but i dont know how else to explain it ^^

Hopefulyl all that is good!
 
cool thanks alot 👍
Oh and I realized I was looking at tetsudatte wrong, its the same thing I wrote :p
 
It helps to try to avoid thinking in terms of direct translation, but this is a good start! A good way to practice is to take your original phrase and break it down into simple components, instead of trying to tackle phrases that seem simple until you try to translate them.

いま、私は 日本語の書くかたを れんしゅうから、皆さん てつだって ください。
Now, I want to practice my Japanese writing, so please everyone help me.
When you think about it, "Now" is kind of unnecessary. If you want you could say 今回 (konkai, this time) or even 今日 (kyou, today). Either way, this sentence breaks down into two parts. Simply stated: "I want to practice writing Japanese," and "please help." There are a lot of ways you could write this. I'd like for you to try this on your own again without giving you the answer just yet, but here are some points to help:

kakikata means "way to write," but it would refer more to stroke order or writing something. "kaku koto" is more like "writing" as you use it here. However, "write in Japanese" would be 日本語で書く. The で particle here means "by means of" the same way you would say フォークで食べる, "eat with a fork." or バスで行く "go by bus." See how the meaning is essentially the same, but the words we use in translation vary?

れんしゅうしたいです is good! it's certainly one way to say what you are trying to get at.

the て form is "tenseless," that is, it does not indicate when the verb takes place. So there is no "past te form."

While tomii is right that (verb in te form)+くれる means "to do something for (me)," kudasai is actually a conjugation of kudasaru, a polite form of kureru,
and is used in requests. For this reason, you'd never actually use くれてください, since it'd be redundant. For physical objects, object + をください; for actions, (verb in te form) + ください. So "please help" would be...?

私の ゆめは 日本に 日本人と 話して、日本のことを ならう。
My dream is to speak to Japanese people in Japan and to learn more about Japan.
Again, break it down into simple parts. "My dream is" "Speak to Japanese people in Japan," and "learn about Japan." Even in English this is a little strange to me, as a dream would usually involve some sort of end goal, and "learn about Japan" is a little vague and ongoing for this structure. You could say it, but I think it would be better (and simpler) to limit your statement to "speak to Japanese people in Japan" or perhaps even "go to Japan and speak Japanese"

Another function of the で particle is to note a place "where" an action takes place. に actually infers direction, so while you could use it for 日本に行く (go to Japan) or 彼に言う (say to him), for "do X in Japan," you would want to use 日本で and not 日本に.

The reason for the ことです at the end of tomii's sentence was actually because the basic structure of the sentence is "My dream is..." and so it's essentially the same grammatically as 私の名前はボブです "my name is bob." As such, it needs to end in です, so that needs a noun, な-adjective, or for a nominalized verb. ならうこと is a nominalized verb. Take another stab at it; you actually weren't too far off.

ヱストミニスターだいがく いち年せいの生徒 で、コンピュターを 勉強する。
At Westminister University I'm a 1st year student studying computing.
So how far off was I, how could I improve what I meant and last but not least if I wanted to say 'would like to practice' can I say something like れんしゅうしたいです? I'm still beginner so please forgive any stupid mistakes I probably have made.
Thank you! 🙂
the hiragana and katakana for the "we" sound are actually not in use anymore; the way tomii wrote it is correct.

一年生 already means "first year student," so you don't need 生徒. Also, as you are currently doing something, you could use 勉強しています

This is another sentence where you have to think about the way you are organizing your thoughts. Tomii's sentence is actually a good example of using a clause to describe a verb (where a complete clause in the plain form can be used like an adjective): "I am a first year student (that is studying computers at Westminister College)"

Last thing that's not so important to meaning, but it's good practice not to mix levels of politeness, so if you start off finishing your sentences in です/ます, it's good to stick to that.

In all a good effort! I hope this helps.
 
Thanks for correcting my errors !
You'r ehelping hm as well as me ~
ill try to remember the things that you mentioned :)
 
Wow excellent stuff nice gaijin, thanks for that, I'm going to try again. I did think the 'now' was unnecessary but the word I wanted to use I didn't know how to spell or use but I hear alot of the time is 'kondowa' which I think is another version of konkai is it?

では、もう いちど 日本語を れんしゅうしたいですから、皆さん てつだって
ください。
Ok, once more I would like to practice (my) Japanese, everyone please help.

Now I don't like the way I wrote the end because it seems strange, but I didn't know how I would write "once again everyone I require your assiatance" or something like that, something politer then what I wrote at least.

私のゆめは 日本で 日本人と ペラ ペラ 日本語を 話すこと です。
My dream is to speak Japanese fluently with Japanese people in Japan.

I know I might as well have skipped the "in Japan" part since just speaking fluently with Japanese people would get the point across, but I did it for the sake of practice. Also I'm not sure if I used 'pera pera' correctly since it was my first time using it.

ウエストミニスター大学で コンピュターを 勉強しています。
I am a first year Westminister University student currently studying computing.

Yes I definitely did something wrong here, I know you said about clauses but I'm not very familiar with them and I didn't recognise Tomii's ending for this sentence so I didn't use it.

One of my main problems is 'thinking in Japanese', I watch loads of Japanese shows and so fourth and I can recognise alot of structures, but when it comes to myself I often revert back to english structuring. I know its all about perseverence and so fourth, but I wish I could find out more about Japanese 'psychology' if you will.
 
ウエストミニスター大学で コンピュターを 勉強しています。
I am a first year Westminister University student currently studying computing.
Yes I definitely did something wrong here, I know you said about clauses but I'm not very familiar with them and I didn't recognise Tomii's ending for this sentence so I didn't use it.

what you have says:

"I am studying computing at Westminister university."

You know how in english we say like

"I am a person who eats." or "This is the phone that is on the desk."

To do this in japanese, you add the thing/person that/who is doing the thing after the short fom of the verb in which theyre doing. does that make sences? Hahha.

Well, let's see:

I am a person. = 私は人です。 (watashi wa hito desu.)
I eat. = 私は食べます。 (watashi wa tabemasu.)
I am a person who eats. = 私は食べる人です。 (watashi wa taberu hito desu.)

Ths is a phone. = これは電話です。 (kore wa denwa desu.)
This is on the desk. = 机の上にこれがあります。 (tsukue no ue ni kono denwa ga arimasu.)
This is the phone that is on the desk. = これが机の上にある電話です。 (kore ga tsukue no ue ni aru denwa desu.)

Therefore...

I am a first-year student. = 私は一年生です。 (watashi wa ichinensei desu.)
I study computing at Westminister University. = 私はウエストミニスター大学でコンピューターを勉強しています。 (watashi wa uesutominisutaa daigaku de conpyuutaa o benyou shite imasu.)
I am a first-year student who studies computing at Westminister University. = 私はウエストミニスター大学でコンピューターを勉強している一年生です。 (watashi wa uestutominisutaa daigaku de conpyuutaa o benkyou shite iru ichinensei desu.)

Does it all make sence? I'm not so good at explaining it @_@ But it hope this explains how to do it. 😅
 
Hmm... yeah I kind of understand, I guess I'll need to practice that kind of writing since I haven't done something like that before.

Thank you very much though 👍
 
Hmmm... I looked in my books, and the way it explains it is pretty simple, I think.:

"The short forms of verbs can be used to qualify nouns, much like adjectives can. in the example below, the phrase あそこで本を読んでいる (reading a book over there) is used as a qualifier for the noun 学生.

あそこで本を読んでいる学生はみちこさんです。
The student who is reading a book over is Michiko."

Does this give you a better explination?

That's really the way my book explains it...

It also gives this table:

おもしろい人 = a person who is interesting
紙が長い人 = a person has long hair
めがねがかけている人 = a person who wears glasses
猫が好きな = a person who likes cats

I hope that tok away from some of the confusion @_@
 
I think either your book is wrong or you just mistyped a couple of things: が長い人 is "a person with long hair," and 眼鏡かけている人 is "a person wearing glasses."
 
es I see it now, I guess I need to understand the particle 'ga' a bit more because I can't understand how it works with like your example 髪が長い人, but I guess that's something I forgot so I'll check up on it. Thanks a lot again Tomii

Oh and I added to your rep 👍
 
がんばっていますね。👍

では、もう いちど 日本語を れんしゅうしたいですから、皆さん てつだって
ください。
Ok, once more I would like to practice (my) Japanese, everyone please help.

もういちど日本語を練習したいので、皆さんてつだってください。

I think in this sentence ので sounds more natural than から.
Also, you do not need to use です in the middle of the sentence, to make the sentence polite, just use it at the end of it.

日本語をれんしゅうしたいです + てつだってください
日本語をれんしゅうしたいのでてつだってください

私のゆめは日本で日本人とペラペラ日本語を話すことで す。
My dream is to speak Japanese fluently with Japanese people in Japan.

ペラペラ日本語を話す is OK but since ペラペラ modify the verb 話す, it would be more clear to place it in front of the verb.
日本語をペラペラ話すことです。

Alternative word for ペラペラ is 流暢(りゅうちょう)に.
Both ペラペラ and りゅうちょう is correct for "fluently", just the former is colloquial, while the latter sounds more formal.

ウエストミスター大学で コンピュターを 勉強しています。
I am a first year Westminister University student currently studying computing.

Tomii already great explanation on modifying clause, so I just add...
This might be my misunderstanding, but I wonder if meant to say Westminster University ...? In that case, it should be ウエストミスター大学.
😅 (Sorry if I got it wrong)
 
Thanks a lot again Tomii
Oh and I added to your rep 👍

どうもありがとうございました^^

think either your book is wrong or you just mistyped a couple of things: が長い人 is "a person with long hair," and 眼鏡かけている人 is "a person wearing glasses."

Oops, yeah. That was my bad. :p I guess I wasn't looking at the kanji that the hiragana turned into & misread the book with the 'ga.' Thanks for pointing it out! :oops:
 
Yes I see it now, I guess I need to understand the particle 'ga' abit more because I can't understand how it works with like your example 髪が長い人, but I guess that's something I forgot so I'll check up on it. Thanks a lot again Tomii

It's the subject marker. It marks "hair" as the subject, and 長い means to be long, so it's saying "hair is long." That whole thing is modifying "person," so it's "a person with long hair."

Oh and I added to your rep 👍

Thanks! :)

どうもありがとうございました^^

Oops, yeah. That was my bad. :p I guess I wasn't looking at the kanji that the hiragana turned into & misread the book with the 'ga.' Thanks for pointing it out! :oops:

No problem! Tomiiさんも頑張っていますね。 👍
 
Ok, yep I'm back trying out more horrible Japanese experiments. Heres my attempt at trying to say:

"From when your 21 years old, Westminster University easily accepts applicants (didn't know the word for applicants), that is why I enrolled in that University".

ウエストミニスター大学は 21才から 人を かんたん みとめますから、
私は この大学を はりました。

I know its wrong, but I'd like to know how wrong and if someone would be cool enough to correct me abit or give me some advice I'd be grateful. Cheers.
 
"From when your 21 years old, Westminster University easily accepts applicants (didn't know the word for applicants), that is why I enrolled in that University".

ウエストミニスター大学は 21才から 人を かんたん みとめますから、
私は この大学を はりました。

I think this is one of those instances where literal translations do not quite work. The Japanese verb 認める(みとめる)does not have the meaning, "to allow entrance to" as the English verb "Accept" does.

"Applicants" in this case can be translated to 入学希望者 / 入学志願者 (にゅうがくきぼうしゃ / にゅうがくしがんしゃ).

How about changing the original English sentence to something like "It is not very difficult to enter Westminster University as long as you're over 21 of age / if you're 21 years old and older. That is why chose to go there." and try to translate that into Japanese?
 
Thanks for the reply Ashikaga-san.

Hmm... I don't know how to do conditionals to the equivalent of "if" or "as long as" yet, but I'll give the sentence another try.

人が(I think I might have used the particle incorrectly here) 21才から、
ウエストミニスター大学に はいって、むずかしくありません。
それから(this would be my guess for "therefore")、この大学に はいりました。

Its real frustrating trying to think in Japanese since I don't know how to do it haha. Oh I didn't mention before, but I'm doing an article in Japanese for my coursework, so no handouts of course.
 
人が(I think I might have used the particle incorrectly here) 21才から、
ウエストミニスター大学に はいって、むずかしくありません。
それから(this would be my guess for "therefore")、この大学に はいりました。

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Originally Posted by Jericho Desu
人が(I think I might have used the particle incorrectly here) 21才から、
ウエストミニスター大学に はいって、むずかしくありません。
それから(this would be my guess for "therefore")、この大学に はいりました。
How about "Getting into Westminster U. is not very dificult if you're over 21. That's why I enrolled there."

For "if you're over 21", you can use (もし)21歳以上であれば / 21歳以上なら.

"Therefore / That's why" would be だから rather than それから.

The construction of the Japanese sentence for the first part would be something like "Getting into Westminster U. is, if you're over 21, not very difficult."
 
Hmm...ok, so how about:

ウエストミニスター大学に はいって、もし 21歳以上なら、
むずかしくありません。
だから、この大学に はいりました。

But I'm not aware of the significance of the different endings: 歳以上であれば /
21歳以上なら so I guessed which one to use.

Sorry but heres another sentence that may need some work. I want to say "I think my future job will involve the use of computers. Thats why my major is computing."

私のしょうらいのしごとが コンピューターつかいかた いんぼるぶと
おもいます。
だから コンピューターは せんもんです。

Again thank you very much.
 
This is how I would write the first two sentences. I'm not Japanese, so please take this with a grain of salt.
今回、私は日本語の書くのを練習したいですので、もし よかったら皆さん手伝ってください。
Now, I want to practice my Japanese writing, so please everyone help me.
私の夢は日本で日本人と話すこと又は日本のことを学ぶ ことです。
My dream is to speak to Japanese people in Japan and to learn more about Japan.
ウエストミニスター大学のコンピューター専門の1年生です。
At Westminster University I'm a 1st year student studying computing.
And the last two.
ウエストミニスター大学に入学するとは、21歳以上の方が楽にできるとい う理由で私は入るようにしました。
将来的に私の仕事はコンピューターの関係があると思いますので、大学でコンピュータ専門を選択しました。
I'm not very confident with my Japanese ability, so if someone could correct this for me I would appreciate it.
 
Yes... once again I request some assistance please, because once again I have a Japanese assignment ( straight after the coursework I handed in last week :eek: ). Anyway I don't want to be corrected as such since that would be pointless, I would just like to know if it could be understood what I'm saying. Also some advice or tips would be most welcomed too.

Basically I'm saying what my hobbies are:

私の しゅみは カン フーを して、ちょうしと 体は つよくに なりました。
そして、日本語を 勉強していす。

So I want to say "My hobbies are Kung Fu which makes my mood/mind and body strong and also studying Japanese.

Thanks! :)
 
Yes... once again I request some assistance please, because once again I have a Japanese assignment ( straight after the coursework I handed in last week :eek: ). Anyway I don't want to be corrected as such since that would be pointless, I would just like to know if it could be understood what I'm saying. Also some advice or tips would be most welcomed too.
Basically I'm saying what my hobbies are:
私の しゅみは カン フーを して、ちょうしと 体は つよくに なりました。
そして、日本語を 勉強していす。
So I want to say "My hobbies are Kung Fu which makes my mood/mind and body strong and also studying Japanese.
Thanks! 🙂
私の趣味の1つはカン フーを することです。 One of my hobbies is kung-fu.

それは、心身共に強くするから。 Possibly ?? Because it strengthens both mind and body. Or changing this to "I like it because it makes my mind and body strong" may give a better flow.

そして、日本語も勉強しています。 And I'm also studying Japanese.
 
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