U.S. Marine arrested on suspicion of raping 14-year-old girl in Okinawa

Hi Dong-Dong:

I think certain people connect Japan and Korea for the wrong reasons out of ignorance, but they forget you guys share pretty much the same geography, food and US Military issues, something that is very difficult to work through, even more so for Korea with the North overlapping.

I was amazed how much Korean inflence their is in Japan with the 'Yaki-niku' restaurants throughout virtually every town and that ever so yummy Kim Chee at the supermarkets.

I always made sure when I purchased a pot that it was from Korea as the Japanese brand just had that special something missing;-) and was not as spicy yummy..

By the way, I am sorry and was shocked to see the large gate in Seol burning down. What a terrible happening.
 
Please people, let's just take our time here, consider all the evidence we have at the moment, not try to bring in outside, non-related to this particular incident data...for now.

As investigation goes on, we can see more of the puzzle parts fit together. This is a matter of what happened between people, let's never lose focus of that...we are talking about people...and there is a wide range of content in that realm, and there are many things that can go wrong within that realm to...the people realm.


And, please, keep it on topic.
 
IMHO.....and knowing what I know about the Okinawan culture and people.

The girls here in Okinawa are always out late at night with there freinds, or b/f. ie) there's a couple that sit in our garage port talking all night long all the time. Me and my wife don't mind. There's been nights when I go to my garage to work on my car, and they are still there in the weeeeee hours in the morning.

Her parents are bad, if they don't know where she's at, and why she is not at home at that moment. Haven't they taught her anything about what may happen. Perhaps history? Probably not, most don't want to remember the past. My wife is the same way...even if it's a small argument. And for the girls own sake, she should have never rode with SSgt for a ride.

And then, SSgt should have never given her a ride; she could of called her friends for one to get home. What was he thinking! A Marine knowing the consequences. As usual. It's that mentallity. "if I don't get caught, it's ok" But he got caught. His mentallity was overboard.

From what I read from the first post, he shouldn't have even tried to kiss her when she cried. I would of left her where they met and went my way.

It also appears there is something shady going here with Her. As the news goes on, we'll see what happens.
 
Rudel, according to news reports they first met at 8:30pm...not too late, then he took her to his place.

I believe that I read earlier today that charges of rape were forwarded to the prosecutors office, which tells me that they may have enough evidence to prosecute...otherwise they would have waited longer or gone with a lesser charge. I'll have to read more and see what I can find.
 
8:30.....ok then. But it is true that girls stay out way late...Other than that....I think they are both in the wrong, and given the recent history, it's going to be 100% his fault.

That night, it most probably started to rain, so he offered a ride home in the car. And that is when she started feeling scared. Given the English/Japanese language barrier.

I do find it interesting that she had enough time to answer the phone and say help me, then hang up. It's almost as if, he let her do what she wanted; and he was just trying to help her. I think she was scared and didn't know what to do.

So now that he saw her crying, I guess he was trying to comfort her, which he should of just left the kissing part out, or not even offer the ride in the first place, and have her friends pick her up.

I'm not trying to takes side or anything. Im just throwing out some "what ifs"
 
No ofence for the Americans. Most of the civilian Americans are good decent people but the army is something different. It has a very bad reputation even in countries that at the beginning welcome them. What's that with the girl being guilty for being outside at night? so what that give someone the right to rape her? I come from work at 11PM should i fear an attack because of that? When I was in high school we were learning in 2 shifts so I was coming home late in the evening but I don't thing should be a reason to be attacked by someone.
the true is that most of this soldiers have no respect for the locals, act rude and are driving drunk whenever they can in all the countries they are. For example one of this soldiers got drunk drive like a crazy and killed in my country a well known singer. He got away with an reproof but for cheating his wife not for murder. He was also cheating his wife that night. It wouldn't be such a big deal if he would've face the consequence like any other citizen. But being an American soldier gave him a free passport in front of justice. Imagine what will be the opinion of Americans if a soldier from another country will rape a woman on American territory or will drive drunk.
 
The girl can do what she pleases, I have no care in what she does.

Okinawa is full of drunk drivers of both nationalities. It's not just the military, civilians. It's both! But let's not get off topic about drunk driving. It's everywhere in the world.

In America, it happens all the time. It's nothing knew, so when see/hear on t.v. or read in the papers of what happened it's not a big thing. I swear some people just get tired of hearing it, so they ignore. As long as they didnt do it, they are good. and..YES...rape is wrong, and the only thing that can be done, is register them, and give the appropriate charges according to the laws, and jury. No country in the world can control ever single person. It's up to that individual to do the right thing.
 
I agree with you @rudel. This acts are not committed by one nation just. It wouldn't be a problem as I said if all this people would face justice every time they commit a crime regarding what they are. people became angry when they have the filing that just for being USA soldier you don't need to face justice. this is the main reason for a bad sometime distorted image of USA. Rape is wrong no matter in what situation. no matter if the victim is not a Saint, nobody deserve such a thing and is a crime nevertheless.
 
I agree with you that no one should feel unsafe even at the times of darkness. I myself coming from a neighborhood that you have to be feel unsafe to walk at night. I am in the USAF stationed at Kadena Ab. I don't really believe she should get blamed, the SSGT was 38 years old. He shouldn't gave her a ride, if she needed to get home should gave her cab fare and left it at that or shouldn't be messing with a underage girl or trying to force himself on any girl. But all military on okinawa are getting punished for the act of a few. That's military life for you though. You can be the best, helping out the community, learning japanese and its culture and customs and still get labled as trouble, because some few people want to act stupid when I know many guys that wouldn't do such a thing. But the marine mentality is far different from the Air force mentaility so I believe it counted as a factor, but most Okinawans are not going to perceived it as that.
 
I wonder how she was dressed, and how much make-up she was or wasn't wearing. I myself at that age liked to appear older than my teens. I fooled a lot of folks, I could get into bars. I am not saying that it is the young lady's fault, but sometimes teenagers get themselves into situations that they shouldn't.....
 
ajackson17 said:
I don't really believe she should get blamed, the SSGT was 38 years old. He shouldn't gave her a ride, if she needed to get home should gave her cab fare and left it at that or shouldn't be messing with a underage girl or trying to force himself on any girl.
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I agree with you, ajackson17.
I think that it is a honest opinion from the inside of US forces.
The adult man of 38 years old has moral responsibility to protect his daughter age girl, even if she had a fault.
 
Goldiegirl said:
I wonder how she was dressed, and how much make-up she was or wasn't wearing. I myself at that age liked to appear older than my teens. I fooled a lot of folks, I could get into bars. I am not saying that it is the young lady's fault, but sometimes teenagers get themselves into situations that they shouldn't.....
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It really doesn't matter. A 38 year old guy should have a better thing to do than raping someone regardless that person behavior. I don't thing its so difficult to find bars, prostitute whatever in order not to get around raping people. Being on foreign territory should make you ten time more careful in what you do. there is quotes in my country I'm not sure if translation will be very good: what a fool does once a 1000 wise man can't undone it.the point is that one bad action stay there in the mind of the people many many years. I remember when this news was presented on tv It was correlate with another rape from '95 of another American soldiers getting the impression that all the Americans are doing there is increasing criminality rate.
 
In the overall picture it doesn't matter as I stated. This man had not even been tried yet, is he not innocent until proven guilty?
 
In the overall picture it doesn't matter as I stated. This man had not even been tried yet, is he not innocent until proven guilty?
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That's in american public courts. He'll either be tried by a military court (since he's in service he is to be tried there) or a Japanese court. I don't know whether they support innocent 'till proven guilty or not.

Anyway, i agree with the girl also being at fault. I believe the book should be thrown at him, but at the same time i think the girl learned a valuable lesson, whom i blame the parents for not teaching her. I'm surprised by her bravery; how often does a little girl talk to a man of his age?
 
dongdong said:
In your dream! By the way, What does that relate to "U.S. Marine arrested on suspicion of raping 14-year-old girl in Okinawa"?
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Well I can tell you this. I has made finding an apartment a bit harder as an American. Crazy huh...
 
A few things to understand about the U.S. military.

1) The concept of citizen-soldier is dead. Americans no longer believe in serving their country. Vietnam had something to do with that. So did the fact that ever since the 1960s we've been a bunch of whiny, spoiled rich kids.

2)Without citizen-soldiers, that means the only people in the military (which is VOLUNTEER) are the dregs of society who didn't know what else to do with their lives. Many of the soldiers are Southern good-old-boys who are plenty racist.

3) When you sign on the dotted line, you are owned by the U.S. military. Essentially, you waive your rights for the duration of your term of service. The U.S. military values hardware (tanks and planes) more than the lives of the servicemen. They send you where they want you to go. That "dream sheet" of the places you want to go and see is just that--a dream. More than half the time, you end up in some country you never wanted to see in the first place.

4) There is no such thing as a sane Marine. The U.S. Marines have a long and glorious history of f-ing stuff up, ever since Jefferson sent them to kill the Barbary pirates. The Marines break you down and rebuild you into a killing machine that obeys orders. Everything outside of the chain of command isn't as important.

5) The U.S. military slaps these guys on the wrist because they want them around so they can send them off to die somewhere. Soldiers in peacetime areas are always volatile. Ever since Roman legionnaires raped Queen Boudicia's daughters and earlier, soldiers in occupied foreign territory have behaved badly. Heck, the British soldiers' conduct in the colonies was one of the things that sparked the American revolt.

This in no way is to defend this guy. I am sick and tired of hearing about how U.S. soldiers are acting like jackasses in other countries. I hope the Japanese government throws the book at this guy. He needs to be made an example of--so long as he is guilty.

Regardless, trying to make out with a junior high school student is conduct unbecoming a U.S. Marine, and he belongs in the stockade, even if he didn't rape her.
 
My cousin is a Marine. He isn't the dregs of society. He needed money to go to college. If he survives Iraq he will have his education paid for. I wouldn't throw words like that around. Crimes are committed by individuals on an individual basis. This particular man needs to be tried.
 
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I agree with Goldiegirl.

GodEmperorLeto is generalizing far too much here.

There ARE "sane Marines".
There are soldiers other than his image of stupid racist southerners. (I know 3 personally who all volunteered.)

At least GEL doesn't seem to condone the conduct of the Marine in question.
 
Okay, didn't intend to make it appear as if the entire U.S. military were scumbag nuisance-makers. But I know plenty of people who have joined the military and discovered that most of the guys they are surrounded by are far from the "best and the brightest" that America has to offer--which is what I was getting at. And I'm related to soldiers in Iraq, so I also have family involved in all this. I'm trying to say is that a huge portion of U.S. troops are far from exemplars of our society. My comments aren't simply my own opinion, they are based on observations made to me by current and former servicemen who are my friends and relatives.

As for sane Marines, maybe I went a bit too far, but I will say this--no one has ever come out of the Marines the same as they went in. While that is true for any experience, it seems that the Marines make a huge impression on you--you BECOME one. And you never stop being one, even when you are discharged.

But no, I do not condone this particular Marine's behavior. I don't trust that the Japanese legal system won't necessarily give him the fairest trial. If he didn't rape the girl, it'd be a shame if he was convicted. But I can understand how the Japanese people and government are sick of U.S. soldiers who act like idiots off base. They are probably going to make an example of him. It's been a long time coming.
 

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