Windows Japanese Input Editor

PrototypeModel · 25 Mar 2008

Recently I have been testing out The language input editor for Windows Vista, as part of my language learning techiniques, mostly to try to get a feel for the way the language looks. I have come to the conclusions that it creates characters based on typing them in romanji. I was wondering if there was any reliable way to tell if my computer is just spouting out jibberish, or if I am doing it correctly.

Ryuk · 25 Mar 2008

Yeah works on romaji input. If you press spacebar after each word it will give you a drop down list of all the possibilities it thinks you might mean if it doesn't get it right first time. I'm not sure which romaji system it is based on but it's probably Hepburn.

PrototypeModel · 25 Mar 2008

That explains the many versions of Ikaruga I got.

nice gaijin · 25 Mar 2008

it actually supports different romanization conventions (eg. you can type "chi" or "ti" and both will result in ち).

As for whether you're typing nonsense or not, the best way to double check is to know what you are typing.

PrototypeModel · 25 Mar 2008

The situation is like this. I am sure what I am typing is correct, but up until now I really had noone to tel me otherwise. Kinda like "its correct until proven wrong" sort of deal but not what I am intending.

nice gaijin · 25 Mar 2008

Do you mean grammatically, or just vocabulary? If it's the latter, consult a dictionary, but there are limits to that method.

Having no one to consult with makes self-study difficult. You can't truly learn a language all by yourself.

Grandpa Frank · 25 Mar 2008

The right place !!

And hopefully the great & good people of JREF can all help new members with their language skills!

Uncle Frank

PrototypeModel · 26 Mar 2008

Okay now that I am on my laptop I can finally show what I am talking about rather than just confusing people.

Here is an exampleﾂ：

これわなにごですか？

I think it is right, but have no one to tell me otherwise.

nice gaijin · 26 Mar 2008

"what language is this?"

but the "wa" particle is actually written は

PrototypeModel · 26 Mar 2008

That's weird. every time I type "wa" I get "わ" and "は" doesn't even show up in the drop down menu.

Toritoribe · 26 Mar 2008

Topic marker - Wikipedia

You need to type "ha" as a particle.

PrototypeModel · 27 Mar 2008

Okay, I think I am starting to get it now. So my statement, "What language is this?" would be "Kore-wa nanigo-desu ka?" in spoken language but written as "これはなにがですか？" where "ha" is pronounced "wa"?

Soloistic · 27 Mar 2008

Pretty much. Just a reminder, normally spaces are not used, nor the explanation mark

PrototypeModel · 27 Mar 2008

Alright, I just found a box from something I bought a little while ago. I can see that there is in fact no spacing whatsoever. But I do see punctuations. I heard the punctuation was actually adapted because of Western influence.

Ryuk · 27 Mar 2008

Yup that's it. Some of them, for しゅ for example, I find in Vista typing "shu" does not work, I have to type "syu". In XP for some reason, it works with both. Aging software rules -_-'

PrototypeModel · 27 Mar 2008

The deeper I get the more complicated it seems. I guess that's what learning is all about right?

nice gaijin · 27 Mar 2008

PrototypeModel said:
Okay, I think I am starting to get it now. So my statement, "What language is this?" would be "Kore-wa nanigo-desu ka?" in spoken language but written as "これはなにがですか？" where "ha" is pronounced "wa"?

That's fine for the particle, but you mistyped "nanigo" as "naniga"

PrototypeModel · 27 Mar 2008

nice gaijin said:
That's fine for the particle, but you mistyped "nanigo" as "naniga"

Doh! >.< At least that's one thing I can attribute to a simple misspell and not a lack of knowledge. Still, I guess now I just have to familiarize myself with the exceptions in that are found in the written language when compared to the spoken language.

nice gaijin · 28 Mar 2008

Other than the は and を particles, and the ん character (which can be pronounced several different ways depending on the context, do a forum search for "moraic nasal"), kana is pretty straightforward. Kanji can be much more confusing and there are many special readings and exceptions.

PrototypeModel · 28 Mar 2008

I've already been preparing to take on Kanji. Right now I know the elements which is probably a start.

Toritoribe · 28 Mar 2008

As for the difference between the pronunciation and the notation,

particle へ

pronunciation: e
notation: へ

and some long vowels...

pronunciation: ô
notation: おおい(多い), おうい(王位), オート

pronunciation: ê
notation: えいご(英語), エース

pronunciation: kâ
notation: かあさん(母さん), カーテン....

nice gaijin · 28 Mar 2008

Thanks Toritoribe, I had forgotten about へ

PrototypeModel · 28 Mar 2008

Any other special exceptions I should know about?

Toritoribe · 28 Mar 2008

じ・ぢ

pronunciation: ji
notation: はじめる(始める), ちぢむ(縮む)

ず・づ

pronunciation: zu
notation: かず(数), つづく(続く)

PrototypeModel · 29 Mar 2008

Thank you very much!

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