Why Other Countries Hate Japan
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Interesting thread.
But am I right in observing this has moved a bit off-topic? The topic states "Why other countries hate Japan", but the last dozen of posts is about whether the war that Japan conducted in Asia is justifiable..
First off, countries do not hate. Countries are pieces of land with people and governments and institutes. People hate. And why Japan is hated so much by people in other countries is because of assymmetric information; not everyone has access to the same source of information and therefore form different images of history and opinions on events in the past. People in the same country often refer to the same sources of information, which are often biased, and so polarization between peoples begin to exist.
This is what this thread should be about looking at the topic. The question whether Japan's actions in WWII are justifiable is another matter. I think not, simply for the reason that war is bad. On the other hand it is a part of human nature to fight over religion and resources so what can I say? I wouldn't want to call it evolution, but looking at human history of the past thousands of years we can conclude it's filled with wars. Still, in my personal opinion, it is not justifiable. I visited a few atomic bomb musea in Japan, and I know: wars suck.
But am I right in observing this has moved a bit off-topic? The topic states "Why other countries hate Japan", but the last dozen of posts is about whether the war that Japan conducted in Asia is justifiable..
First off, countries do not hate. Countries are pieces of land with people and governments and institutes. People hate. And why Japan is hated so much by people in other countries is because of assymmetric information; not everyone has access to the same source of information and therefore form different images of history and opinions on events in the past. People in the same country often refer to the same sources of information, which are often biased, and so polarization between peoples begin to exist.
This is what this thread should be about looking at the topic. The question whether Japan's actions in WWII are justifiable is another matter. I think not, simply for the reason that war is bad. On the other hand it is a part of human nature to fight over religion and resources so what can I say? I wouldn't want to call it evolution, but looking at human history of the past thousands of years we can conclude it's filled with wars. Still, in my personal opinion, it is not justifiable. I visited a few atomic bomb musea in Japan, and I know: wars suck.
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irishlight42
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Glenn said:
That's because WWII IS the reason why the countries of mainland Asia hate (or at least are troubled by) Japan. Whether you think the Chinese have hiked up the numbers or not, there is all too much evidence to prove that MILLIONS of civilians in Asia (including women and children) were systematically murdered by the Japanese.
Godppgo, I see your logic somewhat, in that people evolve from learning lessons from history. That is in fact why I support the gaps being filled in the WWII era of Japanese textbooks.
Belief in social darwinism has its dangerous aspects too, however. Personally, I believe it is the responsibility of those more fortunate to reach out to those less fortunate, lest we become monsters like Hitler ourselves. By helping those who are striving to survive, they too can perhaps also raise their social standings. Those at low social standings do not, however, deserve to starve to death on the streets as SOME social darwinists would say.
You want to learn about the effects of social darwinism put into high-standing belief in government, then I suggest you check out the relation between Unit 731 and "Maruta". Maruta, the Japanese word for logs, is what the chemical and biological testing project of the Japanese was codenamed. It was the word which the test subjects (human) were referred to as, since the concept behind the project was that disposing of one of these subjects for the sake of scientific research was the equivalent of cutting down a tree for to use as a resource.
Human evolution, I believe in that I can say, but before you raise up social darwinism as a grand ideology make sure you understand some of the consequences of a society that holds tight to that concept.
gaijinalways
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Yes, WWII and the aftermath have caused a lot of resentment, and that would explain a lot of the hate. Compare it to Germany, where most people in Europe have welcomed the Germans back to the fold, and the German government is still paying compensation to laborers who were forced to work for the military. Contrast this with Japan, where the current foregin affairs head's grandfather owned a 'slave' mine in Kyushu , and compensation from the government is only dreamed about. Even the neutral Swiss paid out some of the ill gotten gold to Jewish survivors, any chance for Japanese POW camp survivors? Not much, judging by the right wing rhetoric coming out of the government in Japan.
Now another aspect is sometimes jealousy over Japan's modernization versus other countries in Japan. Of course, this gap is closing, but some people still resent a perceived technological advantage that the Japanese hold (I say perceived as some advanced Japanese technology is not so useful, some is not used as widely in Japan as is thought by some other people outside of japan).
The third reason not so touched upon is a perceived Japanese superiority (as least in thought, anyway). Of course, many might opine that the Japanese actually have a strong inferiority complex, as they so often tout about some 'so called unique' Japanese characteristics. Mostly older Japanese (though I have seen some younger ones that still cling to it) still think of Japan as the model for Asia (though of course you could argue that the Japanese often don't think of themselves as part of Asia), whereas other countries don't want to follow the Japanese model of overworking (though of course this is changing).
Now another aspect is sometimes jealousy over Japan's modernization versus other countries in Japan. Of course, this gap is closing, but some people still resent a perceived technological advantage that the Japanese hold (I say perceived as some advanced Japanese technology is not so useful, some is not used as widely in Japan as is thought by some other people outside of japan).
The third reason not so touched upon is a perceived Japanese superiority (as least in thought, anyway). Of course, many might opine that the Japanese actually have a strong inferiority complex, as they so often tout about some 'so called unique' Japanese characteristics. Mostly older Japanese (though I have seen some younger ones that still cling to it) still think of Japan as the model for Asia (though of course you could argue that the Japanese often don't think of themselves as part of Asia), whereas other countries don't want to follow the Japanese model of overworking (though of course this is changing).
AngkorianKnight
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taiwan said:
LOL, that made me think about the Native Americans tribes.
I think it is silly to hate a country for what they did in the past. I mean, it is not like they are doing the same things now and probably there are different people in office, right?
(oh man, I'm so naive, haha)
Taiwan
Return Hokkaido to Ainu people?... At this point that would be very difficult. It's practically impossible. Japan's focus is more on getting back the the Sakhalin islands from Russia which, looking at it from Honshu, is beyond the island of Hokkaido. Besides that, Hokkaido is WAY to populated by Japanese citizens. Be more realistic!! That's like asking the U.S. Government to give back all the land to the Native Americans. Not even they alone can govern all that land at this point.
What's best is that the all the Japanese realize the existance of the Ainu tribes, and acknowledge the fact that they have to live together in harmony. It would also be only fair to the Ainu if Japan reserved more land for them where ever the Ainu reside. It doesn't matter who was there first as much as who are there now, you can't just expect the whole Hokkaido Japanese inhabitants to give back all their land.
taiwan said:
Return Hokkaido to Ainu people?... At this point that would be very difficult. It's practically impossible. Japan's focus is more on getting back the the Sakhalin islands from Russia which, looking at it from Honshu, is beyond the island of Hokkaido. Besides that, Hokkaido is WAY to populated by Japanese citizens. Be more realistic!! That's like asking the U.S. Government to give back all the land to the Native Americans. Not even they alone can govern all that land at this point.
What's best is that the all the Japanese realize the existance of the Ainu tribes, and acknowledge the fact that they have to live together in harmony. It would also be only fair to the Ainu if Japan reserved more land for them where ever the Ainu reside. It doesn't matter who was there first as much as who are there now, you can't just expect the whole Hokkaido Japanese inhabitants to give back all their land.
godppgo
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Last couple of weeks have been hectic for me and finally I have time to make some comments. 
Many of my arguments centered on the theme of humans pursuing a higher standard of living. I've defined the human evolution as the process of humans pursuing a higher standard of living. The term ﾂ"higher standard of livingﾂ" I used here refers to terms such as life expectancy, education level, social ideologiesﾂ…etc.
One of the major evolution developments resulting from WWII is today's war crime awareness by the aggressor countries such as Germany and Japan. Today, many German and Japanese youths abhor nationalism because of the painful memory their grandparents had gone through. This to me, is an indication of an elevated social development in Germany and Japan. As to the gap between German and Poland/Netherlands/Denmark during WWII, the biggest gap between them is military technology gap.
I agree with bossell wars are started by various circumstances and that's why I said war is ﾂ"oneﾂ" of the ways for human evolution to occur, not the only way human revolution occurs.
Human evolution is a relative term. What I considered a evolution might not be the same to others or vice versa. There's no model to compare to when measuring how ﾂ"advancedﾂ" we as humans are. I look at human evolution more of a process of adapting to present Earth and social conditions. I should've used the word ﾂ"adaptﾂ" instead of ﾂ"upgradeﾂ" to make my point more clear and I apologize for that. I also agree that it's sometimes better to downgrade. It all comes to adapting to the changing Earth and social envrionemnt.
Anyways, this is going way off thread topic.
Many of my arguments centered on the theme of humans pursuing a higher standard of living. I've defined the human evolution as the process of humans pursuing a higher standard of living. The term ﾂ"higher standard of livingﾂ" I used here refers to terms such as life expectancy, education level, social ideologiesﾂ…etc.
One of the major evolution developments resulting from WWII is today's war crime awareness by the aggressor countries such as Germany and Japan. Today, many German and Japanese youths abhor nationalism because of the painful memory their grandparents had gone through. This to me, is an indication of an elevated social development in Germany and Japan. As to the gap between German and Poland/Netherlands/Denmark during WWII, the biggest gap between them is military technology gap.
I agree with bossell wars are started by various circumstances and that's why I said war is ﾂ"oneﾂ" of the ways for human evolution to occur, not the only way human revolution occurs.
Human evolution is a relative term. What I considered a evolution might not be the same to others or vice versa. There's no model to compare to when measuring how ﾂ"advancedﾂ" we as humans are. I look at human evolution more of a process of adapting to present Earth and social conditions. I should've used the word ﾂ"adaptﾂ" instead of ﾂ"upgradeﾂ" to make my point more clear and I apologize for that. I also agree that it's sometimes better to downgrade. It all comes to adapting to the changing Earth and social envrionemnt.
Anyways, this is going way off thread topic.
irishlight42
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godppgo said:
Knew that about Germany, but Japan doesn't exactly compare with Germany in this way. A lot of Japanese I'm sure are a bit ticked off with nationalism, and are more ticked off by the nationalism they see quite frequently in their country (something I can relate to as a U.S. citizen ticked off by American nationalism), however then there are also still a lot of Japanese deny the atrocities of WWII.
Germany, I can agree is a role model for other nations, because of their understanding of the dangers of nationalism, but Japan.... well just gonna have to kind of disagree with you there man....
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I had four people all telling me this one day that China hates Japan cause Japan did something to their Nat King Cole and like Japan were these perverts who went into China and slept with all the girls and China got all pissed off, I don't see how the Chinese girls could have preference though, well I can tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese people, maybe they just like the whole foreigner thing too.
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I guess I understand some of your point ~godppgo said:Last couple of weeks have been hectic for me and finally I have time to make some comments.
Many of my arguments centered on the theme of humans pursuing a higher standard of living. I've defined the human evolution as the process of humans pursuing a higher standard of living. The term ﾂ"higher standard of livingﾂ" I used here refers to terms such as life expectancy, education level, social ideologiesﾂ…etc.
One of the major evolution developments resulting from WWII is today's war crime awareness by the aggressor countries such as Germany and Japan. Today, many German and Japanese youths abhor nationalism because of the painful memory their grandparents had gone through. This to me, is an indication of an elevated social development in Germany and Japan. As to the gap between German and Poland/Netherlands/Denmark during WWII, the biggest gap between them is military technology gap.
I agree with bossell wars are started by various circumstances and that's why I said war is ﾂ"oneﾂ" of the ways for human evolution to occur, not the only way human revolution occurs.
Human evolution is a relative term. What I considered a evolution might not be the same to others or vice versa. There's no model to compare to when measuring how ﾂ"advancedﾂ" we as humans are. I look at human evolution more of a process of adapting to present Earth and social conditions. I should've used the word ﾂ"adaptﾂ" instead of ﾂ"upgradeﾂ" to make my point more clear and I apologize for that. I also agree that it's sometimes better to downgrade. It all comes to adapting to the changing Earth and social envrionemnt.
Anyways, this is going way off thread topic.
then what come to my mind is :although one can being the slave of the "advanced one" in order to live a better life, it can " pursuing a higher standard of living" by their own hands~
you metioned a good word:"adapt" yes, one can adapted by itself instead of being the slave of the advanced one . adopt something from it ,and maintain the own traditional culture.
China adopt the A-bomb weapon,and many other weapons\cultures\way of life\ etc.
I believe something more should adopt as well !!
The war with Japan is in fact the war fights like it's life or death! being the slave or death? and destory the whole culture if surrender.
so ,I am wondering why you think the war is good ~?
back to the topic: Why Other Countries Hate Japan ?
I think the title should change to :"Why Other Countries discontent with Japan ?"
The outsider all think it is all because the war in the past! then they have the reason to blame China and think Chinese is narrow-minded. They believe Chinese should "forgive and forget"
"forgive and forget"
right ~ I also believe this is the best way to deal with the human relationshipﾂ！
Maybe it also suit to the Bilateral relations ?
Well ,IMO,In fact ,
when we all forget the things,Japanese refresh the memory!right?
when we forgive it ,Japan preparing another war with China ?right?
gaijinalways
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Got a bit lost there, but yes, Japan is in an unusual way. What's strange here in Japan is the number of educated people here who live in the past. In other words, they still have this image of Japan having never done anything and that Japan should somehow close its borders and not have any problems.
Yes, war can sometimes improve things (obviously if Hitler had not been stopped, things would have been much worse), but sometimes it is hard to say who should be stopped?! Most if not all wars are over space, resources, and sometimes national pride. Hardly things that by themselves lead to a better life.
Yes, war can sometimes improve things (obviously if Hitler had not been stopped, things would have been much worse), but sometimes it is hard to say who should be stopped?! Most if not all wars are over space, resources, and sometimes national pride. Hardly things that by themselves lead to a better life.
sevencoloriris
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- 18 Jun 2006
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I don't hate Japan
I heard some of you talked about why people hate Japan, most reason for this is in the past, because this country join the World War. And I already read what 2 our friend( one from japan and one from china) wrote to protect their country reputation. And now I just want u know what I think.
My country - vietnam, was dominated by both of them, in the wartime (WW2) my country was separated into many parts, each part was controlled by one other country. Japanese in north, French in the south.after they went, china came ...French returned ...and finally, we were ruled by American.all of u can imagine what a war brought us, nothing but dead, famine,blood,diseas...every worst things.But if u ask any vietnamese now that" do u hate those countries( including Japan)" - they i'll answer" not now".
Past is always the past, people who make that war now might be death or too old to hear you say how you hate them. don't impute the blame to people who didn't do that. we were educated that vietnamese should forget the pain, we don't give up, because we have no right to do so. Japan made the war because they want to develope or expanded their country, but they chose the wrong way, and they defeat, that's obvious result. people can't condemn Japanese is the killer, that's unfair.every one who join the war is the killer, Kill or be killed, that's the rule in the war.In oder to defeat enemy, we had to kill alot, it happens the same with every country, in both Japan and China.
otherwise, I don't agree when I read what the man from Japan imput the blame to Mao( China's symbol),you would never do it if u understand whatever I said above,people can't doubt what Mao do for chinese although he made some mistake . you seems believe what your government tell you without doubt. Some Government doesn't tell the truth to their citizen to exist.I think people should see the world through their own eyes.
be honest, Japan is a big mistery to vietnamese, we knew how they build their country from serious consequence of the war without natural resource, we admire Japansese because whatever they did is so amazing. Japanese can be proud of themselve but don't do anything harm to other country reputation. that's also the advise I give to people who hate Japan for any reason. you might make a new war if u continue to hate eachother
I heard some of you talked about why people hate Japan, most reason for this is in the past, because this country join the World War. And I already read what 2 our friend( one from japan and one from china) wrote to protect their country reputation. And now I just want u know what I think.
My country - vietnam, was dominated by both of them, in the wartime (WW2) my country was separated into many parts, each part was controlled by one other country. Japanese in north, French in the south.after they went, china came ...French returned ...and finally, we were ruled by American.all of u can imagine what a war brought us, nothing but dead, famine,blood,diseas...every worst things.But if u ask any vietnamese now that" do u hate those countries( including Japan)" - they i'll answer" not now".
Past is always the past, people who make that war now might be death or too old to hear you say how you hate them. don't impute the blame to people who didn't do that. we were educated that vietnamese should forget the pain, we don't give up, because we have no right to do so. Japan made the war because they want to develope or expanded their country, but they chose the wrong way, and they defeat, that's obvious result. people can't condemn Japanese is the killer, that's unfair.every one who join the war is the killer, Kill or be killed, that's the rule in the war.In oder to defeat enemy, we had to kill alot, it happens the same with every country, in both Japan and China.
otherwise, I don't agree when I read what the man from Japan imput the blame to Mao( China's symbol),you would never do it if u understand whatever I said above,people can't doubt what Mao do for chinese although he made some mistake . you seems believe what your government tell you without doubt. Some Government doesn't tell the truth to their citizen to exist.I think people should see the world through their own eyes.
be honest, Japan is a big mistery to vietnamese, we knew how they build their country from serious consequence of the war without natural resource, we admire Japansese because whatever they did is so amazing. Japanese can be proud of themselve but don't do anything harm to other country reputation. that's also the advise I give to people who hate Japan for any reason. you might make a new war if u continue to hate eachother
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4321go
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... oh~ ...
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Japan18sekideul
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Japan is hated because they have always been aggressors, cruel, conniving and scheming bastards... now I appreciate and respect them for all the right reasons but hell I can't help but hate how they cheat their faults, mistakes and apologies.
sevencoloriris
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- 18 Jun 2006
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I think we should change the topic into" why do people in the world hate Japanese Government". all your reasons above would be right for this topic.Don't impute the blame to a whole race just because some people of them make mistakes
MrsAmberface
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i didn't see the three other pages
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