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That's the same thing.It's just terminology.
Anyway, English people have more ' ancient Briton ' blood that was traditionally acknowledged. There is an east to west gradient in the "germanicity" of the English.
The ratio isn't 50-50.
I don't agree in the case of Japanese,no historians could identify the actual ethnic tribes ( i.e. Anglo-Saxon-Jute settled in parts of present day UK & the Norse in later centuries ) known as Yamato & etc and very few modern Koreans & Chinese share ancestral roots to those left the Asia continent for Japan islands pre-13th century.
Exact scenario for the Japanese,we all thought their ancestors were the Koreans & Chinese but in fact have signifant ancient proto-Mongoloid indigenous genetic component.
the Yayoi people crossed the see from Korea to Kyushu, bringing with them a brand new culture, based on wet rice cultivation and horses
Genome-wide SNP genotypes of the Japanese show that people from northern Japan (Tohoku and Hokkaido) are the most distantly related to the Han Chinese, while those from Western Japan (Kyushu, Chugoku, Kinki) are the closest. This confirms the theory of the continental Yayoi invasion from Kyushu
Native Korean and Japanese words are often related when comparing Old Korean and Old Japanese, but few of them are really obvious to modern speakers.
It is further if it says culturally.However, thanks to natural affinities in sensitivities and tastes, South Korea and Japan appear to be culturally closer as ever nowadays
It is further if it says culturally.
Chinese, mongolian are far close.
the former nationality is the most " Sinicized " East Asian people
I think china and korea even asia are getting " Japanized "
[7][8]The Imperial Japanese Army General Staff Office, which learned about the stele and obtained a rubbed copy from its member Kagenobu Sakōo in 1884, became intrigued over a passage describing the king's military campaigns for the sinmyo h‰K year of 391 (sinmyo being a year designator in the sexagenary cycle that characterizes the traditional Sino-oriented East Asian calendar).[1] Some officers in the Japanese army and navy conducted research during the 1880s and the rubbed copy was later published in 1889. Most Japanese scholars, notably Masatomo Suga, interpreted the passage as follows (brackets designating a "reading into" the text where the character is not legible):
"And in the sinmyo year the Wa (Japanese) came and crossed the sea and defeated Baekje, [unknown], and [Sil]la and made them subjects."
They presumed that Wa referred to a centralized Japanese government at the time that controlled the entire western part of Japan.
In the 1910s and 20s, Ryūzō Torii and other Japanese scholars traveled to Ji'an and observed the stele close hand. They found that the inscription had been repaired by clay and lime, and therefore questioned the credibility of the rubbed copy.[1]
The first Korean scholarly study was that of Chang in 1955.[2] He supposed that the subjects of the sentence "nŠC"j and ˆÈà¨b–¯ were respectively Goguryeo and Baekje. By Chang's interpretation the entire passage read as follows:
"And in the sinmyo year Goguryeo came and crossed the sea and defeated Wa. Baekje made [unknown] and [Sil]la its subjects."
In 1959 the Japanese scholar Teijiro Mizutani published another important study.[3] He had acquired rubbed copies made before the repair of the stele and concluded that Sakō's copy had not been made by the rubbing method but rather had been traced, a method known in China as 'oçê塡–n.
The North Korean scholar Kim reported his conclusions in a 1963 article.[4] He had studied the Japanese chronicles Kojiki and Nihonshoki, and concluded that Wa referred to colonies of Samhan in Japan. He claimed that these colonies were established by Korean immigrants and centered around Kyūshū, Kinai, Izumo. Later, according to Kim, the colonies were absorbed by Yamato polity, which was also founded by Koreans. He also posited that the subject of ˜Ò"nŠC"j•SŸk was Goguryeo, and •SŸk was not the Baekje kingdom but Baekje's colony in Japan. Other North Korean scholar also argued for Goguryeo's invasion of Japan.[5]
Many Korean scholars reject the interpretation that Japan conquered Baekje and Silla on the basis of evidence that cites the contrary. It is difficult to tell when sentences begin or end because of the absence of punctuation and the necessity of reading into the text via context.[6] Furthermore, the subjects Baekje and Silla are not recognizably mentioned in the passage; only the first character for "Baekje" (•S) is noted, and even the supposed first character of Silla is not complete (only ‹Ò as opposed to V). Furthermore, the character "jan" (Ÿk) was a character used derogatively by Goguryeo in place of the character "jae" (àZ) in Baekje's official name (this may have denoted wishful thinking on the part of Goguryeo that another nation came and conquered Baekje). Thus, when taking into consideration the major absence of characters and lack of punctuation, the passage reads:
And in the sinmyo year the Wa (Japanese) crossed the sea. (Abbreviation of someone's title) made (?) subjects of (?) However, further analysis of the passage is that Goguryeo, not Japan, crossed the sea and defeated Baekje or Wa.
In the case of this interpretation, and the abbreviation of King Gwanggaeto's title in the passage, the passage states:
And in the sinmyo year the Wa crossed the sea. King Gwanggaeto (abbreviation) made Silla and Baekje subjects of (?). Some point out several facts that put in doubt the traditional Japanese interpretation of the sinmyo passage. Firstly, the term Wa at the time the stele was made did not solely refer to people from Japan but could also refer to the people from southern Korean, particularly from the Gaya Confederacy.
I think you should read the chinese and the korean document .geocities .jp/bxninjin2004/data_room/13/Gwanggaeto.html
Way to many lies within this link. Its riddled with nationalistic bias. No serious historian would take that link seriously. They make the claim that Japan somehow conquered Korea in ancient times. Despite the fact that the three major Korean kingdoms at the time had iron and bronze weapons, armor, horse cavalry, chariots, larger population and organized government. Of which Japan at the time had none or very little of.
The Gwangetto stele makes none of the claims the author makes. The passage within the stele he is referring to is heavily damaged and can be interpreted in multiple different ways
I think you should read the chinese and the korean document .
you should read Gwangetto stele.
Chinese scholars participated in studies of the stele from the 1980s. Wang Jianqun interviewed local farmers and decided the intentional fabrication had not occurred and the lime was pasted by local copy-making workers to enhance readability
Xu Jianxin of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences discovered the earliest rubbed copy which was made before 1881. He also concluded that there was no evidence the Japanese had damaged any of the stele characters
I do not know why the Korean does not boast of this, "Goguryeo defeated Wa".:blush:
At least, most Japanese incl. me and Chinese people are surely surprised at your sense of history....
They were Korean kingdoms and are still to this day Korean.
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At least, most Japanese incl. me and Chinese people are surely surprised at your sense of history.
At least, most Japanese incl. me and Chinese people are surely surprised at your sense of history.
He's ignorant of East Asia history
And what exactly did I get wrong? Or is it because you guys simply disagree with me? Cant handle the truth?
使持節都督倭百斉新羅任那加羅秦韓慕韓七国諸軍事安東太将軍倭国王The five kings of Wa (倭の五王) are kings of ancient Japan who sent envoys to China during the 5th century to strengthen the legitimacy of their claims to power by gaining the recognition of the Chinese emperor. Details about them are unknown. According to written records in China,....These titles for the military Sovereignly over the countries had no actual powers. The appointments reflected the struggle for hegemony over the region between Goguryeo and Wa, depicted in the Gwanggaeto Stele.[1]
wa ppls were kings of SillaTalhae of Silla (?-80, r. 57-80) was the fourth king of Silla, one of the Three Kingdoms of Korea. He is commonly called Talhae Isageum, isageum being the royal title in early Silla.
[edit] Background
He was a member of the Gyeongju Seok clan, one of the noble clans that shared the Silla throne during the early Common Era.
He was born in a small kingdom 1000 li1 northeast of Wa (Japan)[1]. (The name of the kingdom is Dapana-guk 다파나국 '½"k"ßš 2 according to Samguk Sagi, or Yongseong-guk 용성국 —´éš [2] according to Samguk Yusa.) His father, King Hamdalpa, was a king of this kingdom, his mother was a queen or princess of another small kingdom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HogongHogong was a minister of Silla in the age of nation-building. It is recorded that he was originally from the Wa people of Japan, though his surname or clan name was unknown to the compiler of the Historical Records of the Three Kingdoms.[1] He was called Hogong (meaning "Duke bottle gourd") because he was putting on his bottle gourd when he came from Japan. He was a very important person in initial Silla because he appeared in stories of primogenitors of all royal families.
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Hokkado Ainu moved to north from South..
then, they were isolated in hokkaido
lol,feed one's own desire to associate with that which is greater than you.
Nowadays,Japanese are wanted ( a desire out of inferiority complex ) by the Koreans and Chinese.They are no more or less related to any of these 2 East Asian ethnic groups.
Caster, your lies about the history of the Japanese people are appalling. Get your facts straight and admit that the ancient Koreans played a predominant role in the formation of the Japanese genetic stock.
O2b originated from Manchuria among the Tungusic tribes. It then passed down to Korea and then went to Japan where it slightly mutated becoming O2b1.