I'm not really sure about that. Why not go to Otaru, Hokkaido, and find out? If you look like an asian, you may pass as a local.Glenn said:I'm more interested in how I would be treated if I went to one of the "no gaijin" onsen and demostrated that I could speak the language and that I had a knowledge of the local customs.
The case was over ages ago.Glenn said:I'm more interested in how I would be treated if I went to one of the "no gaijin" onsen and demostrated that I could speak the language and that I had a knowledge of the local customs.
I am complaining about immigrants who commit crimes after coming to Belgium and do not get expelled from the country. I heard in the news recently that a big percentage (can't remember if it was 30% or 40% or more) of people in prisons in Belgium are from Moroccan origin... So not only do they commit crimes after getting their visa, but tax-payers must support the cost of prisons for them, and when they get out they are allowed to stay in Belgium again. For small crimes and offences, they should just be expelled with a black stamp on their passport and blacklisted by the immigration services, like they do in Japan, the US, Canada or Australia (maybe the UK too ?). For serious crimes, they should be deported and sent to prison in their home country*.pipokun said:Diplomatie.be
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The MP3 player murder was not a racist murder, as far as I know. Btw, such reckless murder are so rare in Belgium that it left the country shocked for several weeks, making the news for many days... There was even a protest march with tens of thousands of people, a special debate with the Prime Minister on TV, and it led to more police forces being deployed in train and metro stations (today I saw 10 policemen in just one metro station - although their role is dissuasive and they don't check anybody). You could say that it had a similar effect to 9/11 in the US, because murders in public places almost never happen in Belgium.pipokun said:I still prefer peaceful, indirect and hypocritical to shot or kill others for just an MP3 player.
I'm not concerened with anyone there illegally, I respect a nation's own immigration laws, and don't have sympathy for those who break them, regardless of the situation.osias said:Yukio says that Japan is racist, but racist to who? To tourists? To legal foreign residents? To illegal foreign residents? To those who show hostility to the local population and customs? We may get different answers.
関東大震災時の虐殺事件についての事でしたら、1923年です。gaijinalways said:It's been going on for a while. Some forget that some Koreans and Chinese were lynched while the police helped round them up in the 50s because there was a rumour that some non-Japanese poisoned the water supply. Ishihara, the Tokyo governor, recently was calling for the military and police to be viligant about possible foreign rioting after an earthquake in Japan, alluding to the aforementioned lynching incident.
The more things change, the less they don't, at least in Japan.
i would like to hear from minorities over there, if they agree with you or not.yukio_michael said:Oh, I'd like to add, on another of your points that people all over the world can live with each other, China-town next to Little-Italy, next to a Viet Namese district, next to a Polish enclave... this doesn't produce the type of racial-tension that nations like France & Japan, and probably others no doubt, seem to fear...
I'm very amazed by the demonstration of your knowledge. It's unfortunate that not everyone can read this.kkkktttt said:関東大震災時の虐殺事件についての事でしたら、1923年です。
その後も戦災や地震・台風などの自然災害で、都市が壊滅的な破壊を被り無秩序状態に陥ることが数多くありましたが、マイノリティが無差別に暴力を加えられた例はただの一件もありません。
石原都知事の発言は、明らかに差別的なもので許されるべきではありません。
しかし、日本社会があたかも80年以上前の状況と変わらないかのような発言には悪意を感じざるを得ません。
あなた自身の日本に対する偏見がにじみ出ているように思われます。
ちなみに、国際連盟の席上で日本が提唱した人種差別撤廃条項が、アメリカやイギリスの主導する勢力によって葬り去られたのはそのわずか4年前のことです。
世界は変わり、日本も変化したのです。
osias said:i would like to hear from minorities over there, if they agree with you or not.
yukio_michael said:Maybe racism is too strong a word, xenophobia may be a bit better.
Are there any regional differences?ricecake said:I am Chinese-American presently living in a city named Dublin 45 miles southeast of San Francisco in California ( USA ),where northern California has multi-ethnic population from all over the world in the heart of SILICON VALLEY with high-tech giants like Apple Computer/Cisco System,HP,Ebay,plus many more world-class innovative companies.
I and many non-white minorities can absolutely back up Yukio's truthful description of American society where different races and nationalities CAN LIVE IN HARMONY WITH VERY LITTLE RACIAL TENSIONS within framework of US government sponsored affirmative action.
osias said:Are there any regional differences?
osias said:Are there any regional differences?
I think Japan is willing to accept immigrants, but it just wants to be more selective. For example, a college degree from a Japanese university would be a requirement for an application of permanent residency. Ishihara is actually a leading exponent of the immigration policy, claiming that Japan is not a homogeneous country, but a multi-ethnic country with many roots.MiCC said:im pretty sure Japan doesn't want to be a multi-ethnic country, look what happen to france Muslim teen riots. multi-ethnic may sound like a good idea but it just doesn't work sometimes
東京都の石原慎太郎知事は22日の定例会見で、人口減少時代への対策として、「日本は積極的な移民政策を考えるべきだ」と述べ、しっかりした入国管理制度の必要性を強調した。
石原知事は「人口減社会は決して悪いとは思わないが、（高齢者が極端に多い）逆三角形のいびつな年齢配分は危険だ思う」と述べた。そして「きちんとした入国管理の下に移民政策を行えば、労働力提供だけでなく、若い人の結婚の問題とかも解消されてくると思う」と持論を語った。具体的には、日本の大学を卒業した外国人に永住権を与えることなどを挙げた。そして「日本人は単一民族ではない。多岐にわたるルーツがある」と付け加えた。
また、民主党の前原誠司代表の「中国脅威発言」について、「中国が脅威というのは当たり前だ。（中国が）何のためにあんな軍事力を持っているのか。日本の領海も度々侵犯されている」と述べ、「前原代表が言ったことは実に妥当だ」と語った。
China is one example with overly-diversed population,it has no benefits except ethnic strife.Me and some silent Han Chinese wish China is more homogenous " pure Han " but it's never meant to be since it's a continental expansionist nation through out much of China's history.MiCC said:im pretty sure japan doesnt want to be a multi-ethnic country, look what happen to france muslim teen riots. multi-ethnic may sound like a good idea but it just doesn't work somtimes
Yes, I have no idea why France can not seem to differentiate between poverty and ethnicity, but I don't think they can make up their minds about what they are actually trying to keep out of France, both I would suppose.MiCC said:im pretty sure japan doesnt want to be a multi-ethnic country, look what happen to france muslim teen riots. multi-ethnic may sound like a good idea but it just doesn't work somtimes
Poor people will compete for jobs that they can not fill? They'll steal the dangerous meat packing & machinist jobs away from the aristocracy? None of this makes sense...France has long been one of Europe's most coveted destinations for immigrants. A draft bill introduced to the French parliament will make it even more difficult to immigrate to France.
The new recommendations are for a more selective process that concentrates on recruiting only skilled immigrants.
France, like other European countries, is taking a harder look at the immigrants it lets in. The drive toward "selective" immigration is inspired by electoral politics, by fears that some immigrants are not integrating and may even be vectors for terrorism and by widely shared concerns that they overtax welfare systems and compete for scarce jobs.
[The immigration reform] does away with a provision that allows foreigners who have been in the country for more than 10 years, even those here illegally, to apply for French citizenship.
Finally, the new laws will make obtaining 10-year-residency permits contingent on speaking French. Candidates will also have to prove they have assimilated into the French culture and learnt to respect the "values of the French republic."
Chinese often use the word XENOPHOBIC for Japanese and Koreans' anti-foreign attitudes,not RACISM in the sense of Western mindset.
Orientals are not ingrained with racist concept.
kkkktttt said:関東大震災時の虐殺事件についての事でしたら、1923年です。
その後も戦災や地震・台風などの自然災害で、都市が壊滅的な破壊を被り無秩序状態に陥ることが数多くありましたが、マイノリティが無差別に暴力を加えられた例はただの一件もありません。
石原都知事の発言は、明らかに差別的なもので許されるべきではありません。
しかし、日本社会があたかも80年以上前の状況と変わらないかのような発言には悪意を感じざるを得ません。
あなた自身の日本に対する偏見がにじみ出ているように思われます。
ちなみに、国際連盟の席上で日本が提唱した人種差別撤廃条項が、アメリカやイギリスの主導する勢力によって葬り去られたのはそのわずか4年前のことです。
世界は変わり、日本も変化したのです。
I wouldn't say China has been expansionist. It repeatedly grows to unify a specific region in Eastern Asia, but rarely expands beyond that point. With the exeption of militaristic emperors such as Wu Ti during the Han Dynasty, I don't think the Chinese ever really attempted to expand farther beyond their current borders today. Take the case of Zheng He's armada and it's dismantling by the emperor in the early 15th century. Zheng He's armada was powerful enough to project Chinese influence all over the globe, and could have easily reached America, but was never dispatched.ricecake said:China is one example with overly-diversed population,it has no benefits except ethnic strife.Me and some silent Han Chinese wish China is more homogenous " pure Han " but it's never meant to be since it's a continental expansionist nation through out much of China's history.
I know. Tell me about it.yukio_michael said:Values of the French republic?