What is 家で食事したりするのでなく?

[jellofish]

家で食事したりするのでなく、レストランへ行く

Is it just same as 家で食事しなくて、レストランへ行く?

I really don't get this grammar structure..たり+する+ので+なく :cold:

 

[Glenn]

You've got a few different things going on there. First, ～たりする is like "do X and other things." So 家で食事したりする is "eat (among doing other things) at home." Then のだ follows that, and it's negated -- のでない -- and that's made into its connective form: のでなく. I don't know how familiar you are with this grammar, so I don't know what to say about that really, but it's basically "don't just stay home and eat..." in terms of meaning. Or it could mean "I don't just stay home and eat..." depending on the context.

I'm pretty sure someone will be able to put up a link with explanations of both ～たり(する) and のだ, but I don't have any handy right now. Or maybe someone will have some good example sentences using them to help you out, but again, I'm lacking in that area.

 

[jellofish]

You've got a few different things going on there. First, ～たりする is like "do X and other things." So 家で食事したりする is "eat (among doing other things) at home." Then のだ follows that, and it's negated -- のでない -- and that's made into its connective form: のでなく. I don't know how familiar you are with this grammar, so I don't know what to say about that really, but it's basically "don't just stay home and eat..." in terms of meaning. Or it could mean "I don't just stay home and eat..." depending on the context.

I'm pretty sure someone will be able to put up a link with explanations of both ～たり(する) and のだ, but I don't have any handy right now. Or maybe someone will have some good example sentences using them to help you out, but again, I'm lacking in that area.

Thanks you very much for the precise explanation:sorry:
I actually learned たり and のだ, but I didn't know that のだ could have a negative form which is のでなく, so what does the negative form of のだ mean?
As far as I know, The positive のだ is giving explanation for something, like 僕は男のだ！So the negative would be 僕は男のでない?

 

[Yukiko chan]

As far as I know, The positive のだ is giving explanation for something, like 僕は男のだ！So the negative would be 僕は男のでない???:?

umm, I think your sentence should be 僕は男なので(は)ない。

But that sounds a bit heavy, 「僕は男で(は)ない。」 would be better I think. Though, I'd gladly wait for the senseis to come and explain.

 

[Half-n-Half]

I don't know about なので（は）ない but I know you can say 僕は男じゃないのだ。

 

[Toritoribe]

Yes, it should be 男なのではない since 男 is a noun. は is not omitted when used at the sentence end. Probably one of the reasons would be that 男なのでない can be interpreted as 男なので、ない or "it's not something, because the subject is male."

～なのではない is often used in "～なのではない。…なのだ。" or "～なので（は）なく、…なのだ。" structure, as in the OP's example sentence.
e.g.
Aが問題なのではない。Bが問題なのだ。
The problem is not A. It is B.

 

[Yukiko chan]

I don't know about なので（は）ない but I know you can say 僕は男じゃないのだ。

じゃない is just the informal form of ではない

は is not omitted when used at the sentence end. One of the reasons would be that 男なのでない can be interpreted as 男なので、ない or "it's not something, because the subject is male."

Ah, arigatou ne.

 

[jellofish]

Y
Yes, it should be 男なのではない since 男 is a noun. は is not omitted when used at the sentence end. Probably one of the reasons would be that 男なのでない can be interpreted as 男なので、ない or "it's not something, because the subject is male."
～なのではない is often used in "～なのではない。…なのだ。" or "～なので（は）なく、…なのだ。" structure, as in the OP's example sentence.
e.g.
Aが問題なのではない。Bが問題なのだ。
The problem is not A. It is B.

You guys are so nice
So do they have different meaning if i switch the order ofの and ではない?
sorry i am so dumb

Aが問題なのではない
Aが問題ではないのだ

 

[Toritoribe]

So do they have different meaning if i switch the order of の and ではない?:?
sorry i am so dumb
Aが問題なのではない
Aが問題ではないのだ

affirmative - negative - "negative + のだ"
Aが問題だ - Aが問題ではない - Aが問題ではないのだ
家で食事する - 家で食事しない - 家で食事しないのだ

affirmative - "affirmative + のだ" - "affirmative + のではない(negative of のだ)"
Aが問題だ - Aが問題なのだ - Aが問題なのではない
家で食事する - 家で食事するのだ - 家で食事するのではない

As you can see, the former Aが問題ではないのだ/家で食事しないのだ is simply "the negative form + the explanatary のだ." Whereas the latter Aが問題なのではない/家で食事するのではない strongly suggests that the counterpart exists.

Aが問題なのではない（＝Bが問題だ "B is the problem."）
家で食事するのではない（＝家以外の場所で食事する "eat at somewhere else but home" or 家で食事以外のことをする "do something else but eat at home"）

That's why this form is often used in AではなくB or "not A but B" structure, as I wrote.