What do you think about Arab people ??

[Mars Man]

Let's please be careful to nudge it back in line with the more general topic, however...about Arab people...and by extension, a little, about some near-Arab folks too. Thank you.

 

[Liver Shot]

I don't support Israel, but I also don't support Palestine. Both sides are full of victims and criminals. Both of you are so quick to oversimplify and vilify one side. It's incredibly simple-minded and ignorant. Oh well, ignorance is bliss they say.

from now i like norway people becase they are all-just

HA; they are all just? No, there are plenty of racist and bad Norwegians, as well as plenty of kind and compassionate ones. No people on Earth are "all," anything.

I tend to show sympathy towards the victim and not the rapist.

I hope you show sympathy towards all the Israeli men, women, and children needlessly killed by Palestinian suicide bombers. Or are they the "rapists," in your analogy?

Well, we should stop this argument because I doubt Mars Man would appreciate it.

 

[centrajapan]

Well, I might have come across too strongly. Liver Shot. I agree with you that both parties have made mistakes in the past.

I do not support suicide bombings. But I think suicide bombings is the less evil than the ongoing oppression of the Palestinians than suicide bombings. The reason why there are suicide bombings is because Palestinians are being oppressed. No oppression no need to resist.

If you have a pistol you don't use a stone. The reason why Palestinians are doing suicide bombings/martyr operations is because they don't have US made war planes, tanks, bombs and jets.

 

[Hezam]

Well, I might have come across too strongly. Liver Shot. I agree with you that both parties have made mistakes in the past.

I do not support suicide bombings. But I think suicide bombings is the less evil than the ongoing oppression of the Palestinians than suicide bombings. The reason why there are suicide bombings is because Palestinians are being oppressed. No oppression no need to resist.

If you have a pistol you don't use a stone. The reason why Palestinians are doing suicide bombings/martyr operations is because they don't have US made war planes, tanks, bombs and jets

I agree with you ...thanks centerjapan

I hope you show sympathy towards all the Israeli men, women, and children needlessly killed by Palestinian suicide bombers. Or are they the "rapists," in your analogy?

of course they are (rapists)

I want to ask you, why did they come to Palestine ?

and If some of arabs came to your country and built a small country and government

and we helped them with all types of weapons (don't forget the nuclear weapons)

then they begin to fight you and killed many people of you because they think the

land is theirs (historically) .... what will you do with them ?????????????????????????

answer my question ..then we can agree with you if your answering is right........

 

[Liver Shot]

I don't blame Palestinians for fighting against the Israelis, nor do I blame anyone from defending their family and friends. I do, however, have problems with ignorant observers of these situations claiming one side is "right," or "rapists." That is a disgusting word, and how dare you label someone as such. Apparently you don't know anyone who was a victim of rape. Shame on you for likening Israelis to rapists.

I don't believe land truly belongs to anyone. If you want to define ownership as who was their first, than the land belongs to Jews. Arab peoples didn't enter that area until much later than the Jews. If you want to define ownership as who has more money and military might (which is more realistic), once again the Israelis would fit that definition. By giving the Palestinian terrorist movements credibility, you are setting up a slippery slope. What about Al Qaeda? What is so much more noble about the Palestinian struggle than about the stated goal of Al Qaeda, or other terrorist organizations? Or maybe you think what happened to the US on September 11th, 2001 was justifiable? I know people that died on that day, innocent people. Or are they "rapists," as well, just because they were born in a country that supports Israel?

 

[Hezam]

ok ..that's mean you agree with me if some people came to your country and fight you

and take the land by the power and weapons ...

 

[Haruspex]

My views are the following: In life there is one thing which the gall Brennus stated hundreds of years ago. That very thing can't be described better than the two words Vae Victis describe it. Im not racist in any way, but thats the cruel reality. You could say "Oh thats cause you never experienced such a loss!". And I would answer "Yes I did, lots of Hungarian land was taken thanks to the events of Trianon." But hey, do you know what? Who cares, its not like Hungary truly was a victim, no Hungary was the underdog who would have done the same if he was the winner. In the world we're living in power justifies itself, thats how things are. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, its obvious that one would fight for his own welfare, and there's nothing wrong with it. Long story short, i'll state it in a nutshell: morality matters little in a cruel world such as ours.

 

[Liver Shot]

My views are the following: In life there is one thing which the gall Brennus stated hundreds of years ago. That very thing can't be described better than the two words Vae Victis describe it. Im not racist in any way, but thats the cruel reality. You could say "Oh thats cause you never experienced such a loss!". And I would answer "Yes I did, lots of Hungarian land was taken thanks to the events of Trianon." But hey, do you know what? Who cares, its not like Hungary truly was a victim, no Hungary was the underdog who would have done the same if he was the winner. In the world we're living in power justifies itself, thats how things are. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, its obvious that one would fight for his own welfare, and there's nothing wrong with it. Long story short, i'll state it in a nutshell: morality matters little in a cruel world such as ours.

A wise Buddhist friend said it perfectly: "It's a cruel world."

 

[centrajapan]

If you want to define ownership as who was their first, than the land belongs to Jews. Arab peoples didn't enter that area until much later than the Jews.

Not entirely true. There were people living there from before there was a religion called Judaism. Jews are not a people but rather a religion. Before the creation of Israel there were Jewish Palestinians, Christian Palestinians and Muslim Palestinians.

However say a Jew was a direct decendent from Abraham but through history his family converted to an another religion would he then lose the right to live in Israel? Would he then have no connection to Israel? If an European had converted from Christianity to Judaism thoughout history would that person all of a sudden have a right to live in Israel be a decendent of Abaraham?

There was no problem in Palestine but then Zionists claimed that it was their land. And they terrorised the people from their homes and lands. And another word would be ethnic cleansign. The cleansed Palestine free from its native inhabitants just like how white settlers ethnic clenased USA.

Ownership is easy to define. If I live in a house which I have bought. That house belongs to me. If you one day barge into my home and kick me out of my home you are stealing property. You are stealing my house. That is exactly what Israelis did.

By giving the Palestinian terrorist movements credibility, you are setting up a slippery slope.

If you label Palestinian terrorist surely the same law shoudl apply to everyone and you should also label Israel as terrorists then. And what about al-Qaida? Had not US been supporting Israel apartheid. The most racist country on this planet maybe bin Laden would not have had flown 2 jets ramming into WTC. But you know what? The crimes committed by bin Laden are small compared with what US and Israel have been doing.

 

[Hezam]

What a load of horse crap. There were people living there from before there was a religion called Judaism. Jews are not a people but rather a religion. Before the creation of Israel there were Jewish Palestinians, Christian Palestinians and Muslim Palestinians.

However say a Jewish Muslim was a direct decendent from Abraham but through history his family converted to an another religion would he then lose the right to live in Israel? Would he then have no connection to Israel? If an European had converted from Christianity to Judaism thoughout history would that person all of a sudden have a right to live in Israel because he would then be a chosen one?


There was no problem in Palestine but then Zionists claimed that it was their land. And they terrorised the people from their homes and lands. And another word would be ethnic cleansign. The cleansed Palestine free from its native inhabitants just like how white settlers ethnic clenased USA.

Ownership is easy to define. If I live in a house which I have bought. That house belongs to me. If you one day barge into my home and kick me out of my home you are stealing property. You are stealing my house. That is exactly what Israelis did.

that's right ...we must be all-just...

If you label Palestinian terrorist surely the same law shoudl apply to everyone and you should also label Israel as terrorists then. And what about al-Qaida? Had not US been supporting Israel apartheid. The most racist country on this planet maybe bin Laden would not have had flown 2 jets ramming into WTC. But you know what? The crimes committed by bin Laden are small compared with what US and Israel have been doing.

it's true ..But not as a pretext to justify the work of terrorists ..

everyone here in JREF , Do you think that a group of people representing a whole nation?

 

[Liver Shot]

that's right ...we must be all-just...
it's true ..But not as a pretext to justify the work of terrorists ..
everyone here in JREF , Do you think that a group of people representing a whole nation?

I don't, but you certainly seem to due to your bashing of Israelis. Do you think all Israelis are as bad as their government? I don't. I don't like George W Bush, but unfortunately a lot of people in this world will hate me just because some fools in my country elected him.

Not entirely true. There were people living there from before there was a religion called Judaism. Jews are not a people but rather a religion. Before the creation of Israel there were Jewish Palestinians, Christian Palestinians and Muslim Palestinians.

Not entirely true either. Jews, like most people, can identify themselves in a few ways. Religiously, a Jew would be one who follows Judaism. But a Jew can also be a non-religious person of ethnic Jewish ancestry: Sephardic, Ashkenazi, etc. These people are ethnic Jews. You are incorrect in saying Jews are not a people; they are, regardless of religion.

Ownership is easy to define. If I live in a house which I have bought. That house belongs to me. If you one day barge into my home and kick me out of my home you are stealing property. You are stealing my house. That is exactly what Israelis did.

Incorrect. The Jews were in Israel first, much earlier than any Arab peoples were. An analogy that is more fitting is as such: I live in my house (Jews), a gangster landlord comes and throws me out (Rome), in my absence someone steals my house (Arabs), and I come back to re-claim it (Israel). Are you saying because Jews should be punished (robbed of their homes) because the Romans wanted them out? If anything, the Palestinians stole land from the Jews. Remember the 40 years of wandering in the desert after they left Egypt and wound up in the Levant? Well, that story is basically corroborated by non-religious historical accounts (all easily found online).

The most racist country on this planet maybe bin Laden would not have had flown 2 jets ramming into WTC. But you know what? The crimes committed by bin Laden are small compared with what US and Israel have been doing.

Wow... so because some of my government's action, this terrorist group has the right to kill thousands of men, women, and children? As a New Yorker who knows people that died that day, I find this disgusting. It's so easy for you to sit on your high horse in Scandinavia, where there is no real threat of terrorism, while innocent people who don't support the current President (most of the population) have to worry about being murdered by fanatics. Fanatics that obviously have the support of people like you.

How sad.

 

[Hezam]

I don't, but you certainly seem to due to your bashing of Israelis. Do you think all Israelis are as bad as their government? I don't. I don't like George W Bush, but unfortunately a lot of people in this world will hate me just because some fools in my country elected him.

I greeting you dear Liver shot ...ensure that we never hate you and the people like you

best wishes from me ( Hezam )

 

[scorpion da black]

centrajapan thank you, you are a great freind of arabs.

derfel i saw that you are a great person who deserves my respect...and i even want to be your freind.

carlos sanata you are my brother.

liver shot you seem well knowledged, and that is something i really like to feel in people i converese with.

but please people wht you all lack is sense of mutual respect, dont be bitter.
please keep on topic and please dont make your point of views sound like insults...
that way of conversation shows a bad image to your own people...and that doesnt make fair for all your proud nations.

 

[Liver Shot]

liver shot you seem well knowledged, and that is something i really like to feel in people i converese with.
but please people wht you all lack is sense of mutual respect, dont be bitter.
please keep on topic and please dont make your point of views sound like insults...
that way of conversation shows a bad image to your own people...and that doesnt make fair for all your proud nations.

I agree with you. If my tone seemed to be agressive in nature, I apologize. I was a bit upset and insulted when words like "rapist," were used, however. I don't know if whomever used it first understands the cultural context of the word, but in the United States, rape is probably the worst crime possible, second to pedophilia. So when I heard Israelis likened to rapists, I felt the need to defend them (even though I am not Jewish nor have any connections with Israel).

 

[scorpion da black]

I agree with you. If my tone seemed to be agressive in nature, I apologize. I was a bit upset and insulted when words like "rapist," were used, however. I don't know if whomever used it first understands the cultural context of the word, but in the United States, rape is probably the worst crime possible, second to pedophilia. So when I heard Israelis likened to rapists, I felt the need to defend them (even though I am not Jewish nor have any connections with Israel).

peace be upon you liver shot my freind..
i understand how people can be easily insulted over misunderstandings..
that is why i watch my language everytime i converse with any one.
how ever when "rapist" word was used..it was spoken of fact.

i am lebanese and i lived three lebanese israeli wars, i have felt the bad taste of loosing freinds, family and loved ones...
the israeli army personel were reported many times raping innocent women...and that happened often...
that is something hezbollah never did...

 

[Liver Shot]

I'm sure Israeli soldiers have raped, scorpion, but centrajapan likened all Zionists to rapists, no just soldiers. That's why I took issue with the choice of words that were used. If he had said "some (a small minority) of Israeli soldiers are rapists," I'd have to agree. However, this was not what was said, so I still find it offensive.

 

[pugtm]

peace be upon you liver shot my freind..
i understand how people can be easily insulted over misunderstandings..
that is why i watch my language everytime i converse with any one.
how ever when "rapist" word was used..it was spoken of fact.
i am lebanese and i lived three lebanese israeli wars, i have felt the bad taste of loosing freinds, family and loved ones...
the israeli army personel were reported many times raping innocent women...and that happened often...
that is something hezbollah never did...

on the other hand i have friends and family members in the army that christian lebanese asked that the army should stay in lebanon. it all depends on your point of view.

I'm sure Israeli soldiers have raped, scorpion, but centrajapan likened all Zionists to rapists, no just soldiers. That's why I took issue with the choice of words that were used. If he had said "some (a small minority) of Israeli soldiers are rapists," I'd have to agree. However, this was not what was said, so I still find it offensive.

the issue is not wether there are or aren't the issue is how they are treated. in israel they are hunted down and prosecuted in some arab countries the victims are beaten and jailed like the case in saudi arabia. anyone hear whats going on in sudan recently?

 

[scorpion da black]

on the other hand i have friends and family members in the army that christian lebanese asked that the army should stay in lebanon. it all depends on your point of view.


the issue is not wether there are or aren't the issue is how they are treated. in israel they are hunted down and prosecuted in some arab countries the victims are beaten and jailed like the case in saudi arabia. anyone hear whats going on in sudan recently?

that is true, and those people are called traitors even by other christians the majority of them...

the fact that Lebanese are so divided is bad, but the fact that Zionists raped women and killed many civilians still stands...as well

some christian sects sided with Israel because they feared for their life...every group was killing the other group...some christian and Druz groups didnt know who to make aliance with so they just sided with any one strong...

it is unfortunate...what is more unfortunate is that war accured in the first place...

please seek peace every one.......this is out of humanity not cowerdice...
i am ready to fight any time...just why should we?

 

[Mars Man]

Well, we should stop this argument because I doubt Mars Man would appreciate it.

Now ain't that the truth !! Listen, now, people. I put it plainly enough at the top of this page (3) and it just practically fell on deaf ears !!!

Are there any among you kind folks that wish to deny that the topic of this thread is 'what we think of Arab people?' Now while some embedding would of course be expected at certain points in order to lay out a foundation for a clause within a claim, or assertion, or even the claim itself, there is no value in lingering on a certain focal point which doesn't evidence even embedding.

I don't know how many times I would have to say it all over the place before it were to finally sink in, but arguing histoical factors here regarding the Arab peoples (giving that as full a range of definition as possible here) in order to prove a point about a certain present world situation will get us nowhere, and at a very slow pace at that!

Whose earth is it? Why those very first life forms--bless their long lost souls.

Now then. We can see that the concept of 'race' has been challenged, and yet there are certain biological/genetical factors which can be seen as being more redundant in certain 'types' of human lines. If we were to take this objection to the theory of non-race, what, if any, can be found so as to distinguish a people as being 'Arab?'

 

[Ma Cherie]

I know I'm waaaaaay late, but these kinds of threads I feel could go into more depth.

What do I think of Arab people, I think they're stereotyped as all being Muslim terrorists. It's almost as though it's synonymous with Arab=terrorist. Though I blame the media mainly for these perceptions. Above all, to me Arabs are people, like other people with feelings and emotions.

 

[Hezam]

What do I think of Arab people, I think they're stereotyped as all being Muslim terrorists. It's almost as though it's synonymous with Arab=terrorist. Though I blame the media mainly for these perceptions. Above all, to me Arabs are people, like other people with feelings and emotions.

you are late but you are right ^^

thanks Ma Cherie san ..i hope you contact us in this thread ^^

best wishes
Hezam ^^

 

[Haruspex]

peace be upon you liver shot my freind..
i understand how people can be easily insulted over misunderstandings..
that is why i watch my language everytime i converse with any one.
how ever when "rapist" word was used..it was spoken of fact.
i am lebanese and i lived three lebanese israeli wars, i have felt the bad taste of loosing freinds, family and loved ones...
the israeli army personel were reported many times raping innocent women...and that happened often...
that is something hezbollah never did...

Obviously you have a reason to hate them, Israel that is, because they did you nothing good, but thats just one aspect of it, while you suffered the consequences of their deeds, many did not, so i'd rather hear it from Your mouth than from someone who's like thousands of miles away complaining in a country that hasn't been in a conflict ever since the II. WW.
While you do have a reason to feel overhelming hatred towards them, we don't. In my opinion conflicts should be broken down to countries and not religions. So imo we should view it like X country waging a war with Y country, not X country that belongs to a certain religion and Y country that belongs to a different one. I hope a day will come when religion will be like a hobby or something, commonly practised, but at the same time restricted to moral and sacral issues.

 

[Pachipro]

What do I think of Arab people, I think they're stereotyped as all being Muslim terrorists. It's almost as though it's synonymous with Arab=terrorist. Though I blame the media mainly for these perceptions.

That is very true, but one cannot deny the fact that the fanatic leaders of the religious Muslim/Islamic world have one goal in mind and that is the subjugation of the entire world to the Islamic religion. And, because of their power and strict religious laws, even though they be in the minority, they have the power and it is the rare Muslim/Islamic person who would ever speak against their "leaders", even though they may disagree with them, for fear of reprisal and a death sentence.

The Islamic goal in the US is very clear: The founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Omar Ahmad, made it very clear when he is quoted as saying:

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant", a local reporter quoted him as saying, adding, "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

Ahmad insists he was misquoted. However, an FBI wiretap transcript quotes Ahmad agreeing with terrorist suspects gathered last decade at the secret Philly meeting to "camouflage" their true intentions. He compared it to the head fake in basketball. "This is like one who plays basketball: He makes a player believe that he is doing this, while he does something else," Ahmad said. "I agree with you. Like they say, politics is a completion of war."

You can read the entire story here.

It is these fanatical religious leaders and their philosophy that the media seizes on and reports as news. Therefore, is it any wonder that the average American thinks that all Arabs/Muslims are terrorists?

Just as the average non-american person despises the US government, they, for the most part, do not despise the average American person and the same is probably true of Americans. When one can seperate the individual from their government and judge them on the content of their character alone can real peace be achieved.

Unfortunately, most people will not find out for themselves, but instead will rely on and believe what is told to them by their government and thus we are in the predicament we are in today where everyone despises and hates the other for one reason only and that is usually their religion. How childlike and immature. It's about time the people wake up and stop listening to the propaganda of their leaders who only teach hate and mistrust of other peoples and religions.

That is why I do not adhere to any religion (even though I was brought up as Roman-Catholic) as all preach hate in one way or another against other "non-believers". I instead prefer to make my own judgements about a person regardless of his race, nationality, or creed. All are my brothers until they hurt me or my family or try to convert me. Peace!

 

[Sarapva]

I agree, Pachipro! I think governments sometimes use their citizens to help fuel their disagreements with other countries' governments. If every one of us in the world stopped hating or being angry with people in other countries, governments wouldn't have enough people to go to any war!

But then of course there are world threats that have to be dealt with, like in WW II.

 

[Hezam]

I think governments sometimes use their citizens to help fuel their disagreements with other countries' governments. If every one of us in the world stopped hating or being angry with people in other countries, governments wouldn't have enough people to go to any war!

But then of course there are world threats that have to be dealt with, like in WW II.

Yes ..that's very true ...

thanks for your reply ^^