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Opposite of "out of my life" is "in my life."In my life?
Muz1234 said:Should I delete Chinese women out of my life?
People have told you this time and again, so it probably won't make a difference hearing it from me, but before you worry about "deleting" certain types of women from your life, maybe you should "update" your "operating system" to one that's less misogynistic and bigoted.
In other words: women are human beings, and not every woman (or person) of a given ethnicity is the same. Until you realize this I don't expect you will ever have much luck with relationships.
maybe you should "update" your "operating system" to one that's less misogynistic and bigoted.
I am not convinced that there are vastly greater numbers of them "breeding" than people with a mindset closer to my own
I'm not particularly certain I want to debate you on this topic.
My advice was based on the OP's history of asking for dating advice here, with questions regularly framed in terms of the ethnicity/nationality of the women he is attempting to win over.
I hope you don't take offense at this, but for someone who has gotten offended in the past when people put words in your mouth, you are making some assumptions about my "worldview" that I wish you would not.
In other words: women are human beings, and not every woman (or person) of a given ethnicity is the same. Until you realize this I don't expect you will ever have much luck with relationships.
Are you suggesting that you're more likely to find diamonds among women of certain ethnicities than others?
I do find it a bit curious that for someone who (in other threads) took extreme offense and umbrage at people misinterpreting even the slightest word you said
Really? Does this apply to all qualities?Mark of Zorro said:Absolutely. Saying otherwise is basically same as denying there even is ethnicity.
I feel like I've explained this already. You presumed to tell me what my what my worldview was based on two posts, and after I explicitly said that I was simply addressing the OP and not trying to make grand pronouncements about the human race at large. I'm continuing the discussion now partly out of a sense of morbid curiosity (and partly because I'm a masochist) but it really, really was not my intention to get into some huge debate about the merits of the feminist mindset vis-a-vis misogyny and patriarchy on a global scale. (I will elaborate upon this below.)Mark of Zorro said:If you don't like my interpretation then just explain why my interpretation is false.
I am not even completely sure what words you are saying I put in your mouth.
The OP (by his own admission across multiple posts) does not appear to be having much luck with women. (In one post, he asked if there was "any difference" between anime girls and real girls, which--no offense--does not suggest a great familiarity with the latter.) Without being too mean about this, it does not strike me that his mindset has been particularly successful for him. In my experience, it is easier to form connections with other people (including, but not limited to women) when you treat them as actual living, breathing human beings and not stereotypes. This was the basis for my advice.Mark of Zorro said:You said he should change his thinking to something less misogynistic and bigoted, yes? Does it not logically follow that you think being less misogynistic and bigoted increases a man's chances with women or not? And if it doesn't, then why have you suggested that change?
are you saying that denying the idea that [e.g. the women of] certain ethnicities are inherently superior to others is the same as denying the concept of ethnicity?
In my experience, it is easier to form connections with other people (including, but not limited to women) when you treat them as actual living, breathing human beings and not stereotypes.
Mark of Zorro said:That is not what was said. What was said was that there was a greater chance of finding a good woman, not that an entire ethnicity was superior.
And I will further point out that this is about the view of an individual and not some objective judgment. Surely there will be a larger number of women in one ethnicity that are diamonds in the eyes of any man than in another ethnicity.
Really? In my experience, reducing and pigeonholing a group to a certain set of (generally negative) qualities pretty much goes part and parcel with discrimination, bigotry, and so forth, no? I don't know too many bigots who say, e.g. "I'm fully aware that every Arab individual is a unique human being with their own life experiences and innate humanity. I still think they're all terrorists who we need to bomb off the face of the Earth."Mark of Zorro said:Treating people as objects or as stereotypes seems bit far off from simple misogyny and bigotry, don't you think? I am sure lots of misogynists hate women in general while at the same time being fully aware of their variety, life and humanity.
Thank you for acknowledging this. I'm glad we can agree on this basic point.Mark of Zorro said:All that said, I think I can at least agree that given his level of misogyny and bigotry, being less so will probably help, and that was what you actually said earlier...."less misogynistic and bigoted" rather than not at all.
That's an extreme example, but it strikes me that (1) recognizing the humanity and diversity of members of a certain group/race/etc. and (2) hating that group as a whole are somewhat anathema to each other. Not saying it's absolutely impossible for the twain to meet, but it doesn't strike me that it would be all that common.
I didn't mean to suggest that all of his stereotypes are negative, but the comment about cleanliness in the OP erred a bit too close to bigotry for my liking.Mark of Zorro said:It was just too much of a leap for me to make without more explanation because while bigotry and misogyny are necessarily negative, stereotyping can be positive and Muz1234 does seem to do positive stereotypes as well.
Oooh, we already had this guy on the board. I'd forgotten about ghettocities!...if the OP were the type of misogynistic bigot who was out there getting all the girls (or just the one girl) he wanted and was perfectly content, I would not be suggesting a change, because I wouldn't have the occasion to. That hypothetical person would be out there enjoying his life (at least whatever that means to him) and not asking for dating advice on a Japanese culture and language forum. I might personally find their mindset repugnant, but I would not be trying to change it, because clearly it would be working for them (and because in this hypothetical example, our paths would never cross in the first place).
Also, this is a separate discussion, but I'm personally of the opinion that even "positive" stereotypes can potentially do a lot of damage