Need a word or phrase translated?

[Toritoribe]

It's an inversion. The normal order of the words is 夕日がまぶしくて、アイツの笑顔を見ていられなかった.

見られなかった: the past of the negative potential of 見る
見ていられなかった: the past progressive of negative potential of 見る


The result of this battle may have been settled. = I was destined to lose this battle.
"Battle" is a metaphor, off course.


That's not the problem we pointed out. We are talking about the difference between 宿題をしてしまう vs 宿題をしてしまった (or 宿題をする vs 宿題をした).

 

[letianchen]

Ok I looked online for some examples of shite shimau and such. Thanks.

Also in your translation, is there a particular reason you used the word "lose" when you equated those two.
Battle may have been settled doesent imply losing, or does the nuance give it off?

 

[Toritoribe]

Yeah, that's right. It can be "win". I interpreted it from the context.

 

[letianchen]

I dont really understand the shoubu its confused me always, even when It was introduced in my textbook. It has meanings of
Victory or defeat;match;contest;game
And here you used it as battle I believe

Why does it have the meaning victory or defeat. Does that mean it can mean " To lose" and "To win" depending on context?

 

[Toritoribe]

It totally depends on the context.
e.g.
勝負に勝つ/負ける
to win/lose a match/contest/game/battle

勝負をつける
to settle victory or defeat

勝負が決まる means "to win" or "to lose". (A match/contest/game/battle has finished, and as the result, one side wins and the other side loses.)

From the context, the speaker "has lost" (and s/he feels this might be settled previously).

 

[letianchen]

I see, so what would the meaning of shoubu be as a verb
勝負する
Also, can you tell my why its lost The first two parts are " The evening sun is dazzling, so much that I couldn't see her smiling face", whats the hint that its lost, from this?

 

[Glenn]

Does this mean that you now completely understand what's being said with 傷つくのが怖くてわざと冷たくしてしまうんだ?

 

[Glenn]

I see, so what would the meaning of shoubu be as a verb
勝負する

Looks like only the "contest" version:

しょう‐ぶ【勝負】
［名］(スル)
１ 勝ち負け。勝敗。「―を争う」「一気に―をつける」
２ 勝ち負けを決めようとして争うこと。「―の世界に生きる」「ここ一番の―に出る」「力の差がありすぎて―にならない」「実力で―する」
勝負（しょうぶ）の意味 - goo国語辞書

 

[Yzlot]

Hi, I came across this short sentence.

おまえもご挨拶せんか

I wanted to ask if it is supposed to be the same as おまえもご挨拶ありませんか , as a condensed version? Or is there some different root used in the conjugation?

If not, can someone explain the meaning of せん there?

 

[Glenn]

It's a dialectal version of しない. It's the ん-negation version, similar to 知らん, わからん, 行かん, できん, などなど.

 

[letianchen]

Looks like only the "contest" version:

しょう‐ぶ【勝負】
［名］(スル)
１ 勝ち負け。勝敗。「―を争う」「一気に―をつける」
２ 勝ち負けを決めようとして争うこと。「―の世界に生きる」「ここ一番の―に出る」「力の差がありすぎて―にならない」「実力で―する」
しょうぶ【勝負】の意味 - 国語辞書 - goo辞書

Thanks that helped alot, and yup I think i understand now.
If you dont mind can you help me out with another sentence

そんな事現実に起こるはずがないことは理解しているだけど、もしかして奇跡起こらないかないなんて。そうでも思わなければやっていられない

Can I get some hints? What is sou demo doing here.

 

[Pajama]

I'm having trouble getting this translated, my friend tells me he's saying "oi, yasumi [gai]" (hey [guy], take a break)."

I think he might be wrong. Does anyone have some help? Here's the audio.

WS310199

 

[Toritoribe]

理解しているんだけど、 or 理解している。だけど、

もしかして奇跡起こらないかななんて。(い isn't here.)


そう refers to もしかして奇跡起こらないかな.

 

[letianchen]

I see. The last sentence looks very similar to a form I learned a while back with なければならない although not exactly the same. I dont understand the jist of the whole phrase

"I understood well, that a reality like that should not have occured, however. By any chance if a miracle did not occur.....~~"

So is he thinking this statement or what is the use of 思わなければやっていられない

 

[Glenn]

Pay attention to the ends of verbs. It's 起こるはずがない, not 起こったはずがない. Also, the occurrence of a miracle is not what the condition is placed on here. I think maybe you haven't learned certain elements of もしかして奇跡起こらないかななんて. ～ないかな can be used as a wish that something will happen, like 彼女、早く来ないかな ("I wish my girlfriend would get here soon."). なんて is a quoting particle in this instance. The verb is probably 思う, since the そうでも in the next sentence refers back to もしかして奇跡起こらないかななんて. Next, a couple of hints:

なければ -- conditional form of ない
思わない -> 思わなければ (from simple negation to conditional negation -- "not think" to "if (I) don't think)
やっていられない is a set expression meaning something like "get along" or maybe even "survive" in some cases, although I don't think it means "survive" like 生き残る or 生き延びる do, just a dramatic way of saying something (like "I can't survive without my designer shoes!" for example).

 

[letianchen]

Thanks, however could you eleborate on what you mean by nante quoting the particle in that instance. I have learned kana but it seemed weird in this context so I guess i overlooked it, my mistake.

so is the last sentence saying If I dont think ( stuff in first part) then we will get along. Also what exactly is the speaker wishing for persay. In your example its a bit more obvious but here I',m not sure mabye because it sounds weird in english.

Your interpretation would be appreciated

 

[Yzlot]

やっていられない is a set expression meaning something like "get along" or maybe even "survive" in some cases.

Sorry for interrupting, but I found this comment interesting. Does this mean usage of やっていられない is always and only coupled with a negative conditional or negative statement? I'm not too familiar with its usage, so I'd like to confirm this point if possible.

 

[Glenn]

Thanks, however could you eleborate on what you mean by nante quoting the particle in that instance. I have learned kana but it seemed weird in this context so I guess i overlooked it, my mistake.

It's similar to と here, but it has a sense of looking down on what's being quoted. So, "I'll think, 'I wish, perhaps a miracle would occur,'" with the feeling that the speaker knows it's stupid or not going to happen.

so is the last sentence saying If I dont think ( stuff in first part) then we will get along. Also what exactly is the speaker wishing for persay. In your example its a bit more obvious but here I',m not sure mabye because it sounds weird in english.

"If I don't think something like that, I can't get by." They know it's not likely to happen, but thinking that it might helps them get through the day. That's how I'm reading it.

Sorry for interrupting, but I found this comment interesting. Does this mean usage of やっていられない is always and only coupled with a negative conditional or negative statement? I'm not too familiar with its usage, so I'd like to confirm this point if possible.

It's used on its own sometimes. If someone does something that exasperates you and you don't want to deal with them, for instance, you can say もうやってられないよ or something like that. It's usage isn't as narrow as it seemed from my other post, but I was interpreting it in that situation.

 

[letianchen]

Ohhh I think I understand. What do you think about

"I understand well, that a reality like this should not occur, and although a miracle will not occur even if I wish for such. If I don't think in this manner, I'll never pull through."

 

[Glenn]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm thinking.

 

[letianchen]

Can Toritoribe san confirm this please?

 

[Toritoribe]

Can Toritoribe san confirm this please?

Glenn-san is fluent at native level in Japanese. You can trust him.

 

[Yzlot]

以前はというのも、現在ではあまり行われていないからだ。 "Though that was said of the past, the present isn't much different though."

The general definition of 行われる is "to hold" or "to take place" right? So would the translation above be correct in this instance?

Would 以前はというのも、現在ではあまり違っていないからだ also work? Are there possible implications with the usage of 行われる instead?

Thanks again for the help!

 

[Toritoribe]

現在ではあまり行われていない means "(unlike the past,) the subject is rarely held nowadays", thus, the present is different from the past. So, it should be 現在では違っているからだ, if you rephrase it.

 

[letianchen]

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おま言う - I asked another friend of mine who is learning Japanese he said this is お前を言うな, can someone confirm?