Need a word or phrase translated?

[stymo]

Yes, 貴女方（anata-gata）is a useful word to express some one's respect for women. We'd use it especially in letter/e-mail.

 

[FinancialWar]

資源を奪わんとする。

奪う -> 奪わん ？

what kind of conjugation is this?

 

[Toritoribe]

資源を奪わんとする。

奪う -> 奪わん ？

what kind of conjugation is this?

奪わ: the pre-nai form of 奪う
ん: an (archaic) auxiliary verb to express the doer's volition/guess, the equivalent for う in modern Japanese

奪わんとする ＝ 奪おうとする

 

[FinancialWar]

分かった。ありがとう とりさん

 

[FinancialWar]

圧倒的な戦力を誇る帝国軍は次々と国境を越え、侵攻を開始。

誇る is intransitive verb, so why is it preceded by を? thus making it a transitive.

 

[Toritoribe]

圧倒的な戦力を誇る帝国軍は次々と国境を越え、侵攻を開始。

誇る is intransitive verb, so why is it preceded by を? thus making it a transitive.

誇る(transitive): to have a high reputation as~/to be well known as~

 

[Trollhattan]

I read it somewhere that Yaso was once a derogatory term for Christians in Japan.I would like to know how it's written in Japanese script.

 

[FinancialWar]

誇る(transitive): to have a high reputation as~/to be well known as~

Nope, it's intransitive.
http://jisho.org/words?jap=誇る&eng=&dict=edict

 

[FinancialWar]

I read it somewhere that Yaso was once a derogatory term for Christians in Japan.I would like to know how it's written in Japanese script.

耶蘇 (やそ） = Jesus (this is to make my post long enough to be posted)

 

[Toritoribe]

Nope, it's intransitive.
http://jisho.org/words?jap=誇る&eng=&dict=edict

Do you believe in only one dictionary?

2〔すぐれた状態にある〕

・ 当時平家は栄華を誇っていた
At that time the Heike [Taira] clan was at the height of its power.

・ この町には世界最大を誇る製鉄工場がある
This town has [is famous for] the world's largest ironworks.

「誇る」の検索結果 - Yahoo!辞書

be proud of; to do; that節, take pride in, pride oneself on（→誇り）;【自慢する】boast of, about; that節（※通例「人」が主語のときは悪い意味,人以外が主語のときは良い意味.→自慢する［解説］）;【評判がよい】have a high reputation;【有名である】be well(-)known.

・ 君には人に誇れるものがあるか
Do you have anything you are proud of?

・ 彼は仕事が速いのを誇っている
He is proud of his quick work [that he can do his work quickly].

・ その大学はりっぱな図書館を誇っている
The college boasts a fine library.

Yahoo!辞書 - 国語・英和・和英および専門辞書の検索サービス

 

[FinancialWar]

Both of your sources indicates to me that they are in fact intransitive. English explanation is the same of the one I gave you. ie

Be proud of (does not require an direct object thus is intransitive).

If it is transitive, the English explanation would be something like Proud of something, ( thus require a direct object).

Plus neither sources you gave me indicate directly their transitivity.

i just went through using 広辞苑, one of the most reliable dictionary out there, it indicates the word is 自五 ( intransitive and Godan)

i am just confused that the word is classified as intransitive, but used like a transitive in sentences with を marking the object the subject is proud of.

 

[Ashikaga]

Warakawa,

Looks like someone had the same question about the verb 誇る.

Hope that helps.

 

[Toritoribe]

If it is transitive, the English explanation would be something like Proud of something, ( thus require a direct object).

We are talking about JAPANESE not English translations, aren't we?

JFYI, examples of (so-called) intransitive verbs to take the particle を
道を渡る, 廊下を歩く
国を離れる, 部屋を出る, 大学を出る
来月から仕事を変わる, 彼から荷物を預かる, 彼女に英語を教わる
これで説明を終わります

 

[FinancialWar]

We are talking about JAPANESE not English translations, aren't we?
JFYI, examples of (so-called) intransitive verbs to take the particle を
道を渡る, 廊下を歩く
国を離れる, 部屋を出る, 大学を出る
来月から仕事を変わる, 彼から荷物を預かる, 彼女に英語を教わる
これで説明を終わります

Yes we are talking about Japanese, durr....

why are you even try to arguing against with the fact that 誇る is a intransitive verb. it is stated in the dictionaries that it is a Intransitive. You don't decide whether the word's transitivity, it is stated and you use the verb accordingly. What what do you mean "so-called"? You need to have more respect and understanding for verb's transitivity as the whole Japanese grammar is practically built on the verbs at the end of sentences.

As everyone knows, an intransitive verb does not take an OBJECT. So only the Subject + Intransitive verb.

道を渡る, 廊下を歩く
国を離れる, 部屋を出る, 大学を出る

What's the point of giving these examples?
They are all space/place/medium the subject goes through. The Intransitive verbs here are all traveling verbs. It is a well know fact that を also marks the medium which the subject goes through, these does not mean they are object.

彼から荷物を預かる, 彼女に英語を教わる
errrr.... both verbs here are Transitive, not Intransitive. 荷物 and 英語 both being Direct Object here...

来月から仕事を変わる and これで説明を終わります
Should be 変える and 終える respectively (though owaru can be both vt and vi).

Tori, with all the respect. you have not yet explained to me why 誇る an Intransitive verb is used in such a way that it has a を marking a object.

 

[FinancialWar]

Warakawa,
Looks like someone had the same question about the verb 誇る.
Hope that helps.

Had a look, the explanations are all in Japanese, so it's hard for me to understand, though, in the basic Japanese grammar dictionary, を has a fourth use, which is "a particle that marks the cause of some human emotion". Since being proud is an emotion, I guess that why を was in the sentence with 誇る.

 

[Toritoribe]

As everyone knows, an intransitive verb does not take an OBJECT. So only the Subject + Intransitive verb.

Just for clarity, how do you think about the defference between transitive and intransitive (in Japanese, of course)? To take, or not, an object? ASHIKAGA's quote is also about this, the definition of transitive/intransitive in Japanese.

 

[FinancialWar]

Just for clarity, how do you think about the defference between transitive and intransitive (in Japanese, of course)? To take, or not, an object? ASHIKAGA's quote is also about this, the definition of transitive/intransitive in Japanese.

what? i dont understand what you mean. do you mean how do i determine if the verb is vi or vt?

 

[Toritoribe]

I see... That's the key problem, the defference between 自動詞/他動詞 in Japanese grammar and intransitive/transitive you're thinking about.

a definition explained in ASHIKAGA's quote
他動詞: 動詞の動作対象が主語と違うもの
自動詞: 動作対象が主語と同じ、または、主語へ向かうもの

another definition
他動詞: 対象としての「名詞を」を補語にとる動詞
自動詞: 対象としての「名詞を」を補語にとらない動詞

Also from this, a typical 他動詞 can take 直接受身形. (This is often used to distinguish between 自動詞 and 他動詞.) In this definition, 誇る belongs to 自動詞(not same to "intransitive").
From now on, I have to use, for instance, 主格 instead of "subject," because 主格 in Japanese grammar has defferent definition/concept from "subject" in English, as 三上章 stated 50 years ago...

 

[Trollhattan]

耶蘇 (やそ） = Jesus (this is to make my post long enough to be posted)

Is "Yesu" a proper romaji spelling ( Yesu Kuristo = Jesus Christ ) ?

 

[Ryan-]

I'm wondering about a sentence like "Dogs have bigger feet than cats."

Is there a better way to express is than, "犬の足は猫のより大きい。"

I seem to remember a way to toss in a が somewhere but I'm not sure.

 

[Ashikaga]

I'm wondering about a sentence like "dogs have bigger feet than cats."
Is there a better way to express is than, "犬の足は猫のより大きい。"
I seem to remember a way to toss in a が somewhere but I'm not sure.

犬は猫よりも足が大きい。

私はあなたよりも足が速い。

あなたは私よりも足が臭い。

Ｉｓ this what you were thinking of?

 

[FinancialWar]

Is "Yesu " a proper romaji spelling ( Yesu Kuristo = Jesus Christ ) ?

イエスキリスト

 

[Ryan-]

犬は猫よりも足が大きい。
私はあなたよりも足が速い。
あなたは私よりも足が臭い。

Ｉｓ this what you were thinking of?

That's exactly it. Also, that brings up another question. My Dictionary of Japanese Grammar says that the も in よりも is optional and doesn't change the meaning. Is it true? Does it just sound better?

 

[Ashikaga]

My Dictionary of Japanese Grammar says that the も in よりも is optional and doesn't change the meaning. Is it true? Does it just sound better?

Yes, it is true. I don't think one sounds better than the other. I suppose you hear より without the も more often in everyday conversations.

 

[FinancialWar]

That's exactly it. Also, that brings up another question. My Dictionary of Japanese Grammar says that the も in よりも is optional and doesn't change the meaning. Is it true? Does it just sound better?

A dictionary of basic Japanese grammar?