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幼い私の目にも切なくみえた

I'm not sure how to translate this one.
"My childish eyes could also see painfulness".
or
"Even my childish eyes could see (her) pain".

Not sure which one of those are more correct. Anyone want to give it a shot? Thanks a bunch. :p
 
Fuumei;389458 said:
幼い私の目にも切なくみえた
I'm not sure how to translate this one.
"My childish eyes could also see painfulness".
or
"Even my childish eyes could see (her) pain".
Not sure which one of those are more correct. Anyone want to give it a shot? Thanks a bunch. :p

I think the latter is closer to the original sentence, which can be translated:
Even to my childish eyes, (it) appeared/looked sad/painful/wistful

I'm not sure about 幼い - 幼い私の目 means that 私 was a little child when I saw it. I wonder if the word "childish" fits in? Maybe not necessarily but "childish" has rather a negative connotation compared with "childlike". 幼い does not have such connotation, I think it is closer to childlike in this respect, but then I cannot think of any other words that matches 幼い in this sentence.
 
undrentide;389494 said:
I think the latter is closer to the original sentence, which can be translated:
Even to my childish eyes, (it) appeared/looked sad/painful/wistful
I'm not sure about 幼い - 幼い私の目 means that 私 was a little child when I saw it. I wonder if the word "childish" fits in? Maybe not necessarily but "childish" has rather a negative connotation compared with "childlike". 幼い does not have such connotation, I think it is closer to childlike in this respect, but then I cannot think of any other words that matches 幼い in this sentence.

It does seem to mean "The eyes of when I was young" You may be right about the negative connotation of Osanai, since the person is recalling her past in regret. I think blaming herself for the past since she was still too young to change the circumstances. Anyway, thanks for replying so quickly. I've been listening to this particular story for at least two years now without any written text to go by, so it's been quite a journey. でわ, ありがとうございました!
 
I thought she said 幼い doesn't have a negative connotation.

By the way, でわ -> では
 
Glenn;389524 said:
I thought she said 幼い doesn't have a negative connotation.

By the way, でわ -> では

Ah, that's what I get for trying to respond to a post before bed. I knew "でわ" looked a little wierd, now I know why.
 
undrentide;389494 said:
I think the latter is closer to the original sentence, which can be translated:
Even to my childish eyes, (it) appeared/looked sad/painful/wistful
I'm not sure about 幼い - 幼い私の目 means that 私 was a little child when I saw it. I wonder if the word "childish" fits in? Maybe not necessarily but "childish" has rather a negative connotation compared with "childlike". 幼い does not have such connotation, I think it is closer to childlike in this respect, but then I cannot think of any other words that matches 幼い in this sentence.
英語の Childish eyes にも意味があまりないと思います。

でも「目」は広い意味で使われると思いますね。たとえば単に実際の目だけれど、たとえとして人間の良い面と悪い面や、それぞれの人間の光と影とも使えますね。

この場合の目はどちらかの意味でしょうか?
 
Elizabeth;389733 said:
英語の Childish eyes にも意味があまりないと思います。
でも「目」は広い意味で使われると思いますね。たとえば単に実際の目だけれど、たとえとして人間の良い面と悪い面や、それぞれの人間の光と影とも使えますね。

この場合の目はどちらかの意味でしょうか?

エリザベスさん、こんにちは。
:-)

「幼い私の目にも」の場合の目は・・・実際の目ともいえるし、観点(英語でいうとviewかな)ともいえるでしょうね。
別な言葉で言い換えると、「幼い私の目から見ても」「幼い私の目を通してみても」になります。
(ここでの「幼い」は目ではなくて「私」を形容します。)

英語でどう言うと意味が正しく伝わるかなあ…?
エリザベスさんならどう言いますか?
 
Fuumei;389879 said:
たとえとしては英語でどういう意味ですか?

Do you mean the meaning of 「たとえとして」?

たとえ(例え) means example, or metaphor.
たとえば: for example, like
たとえて言うなら: metaphorically speaking, figuratively
たとえとして is not so commonly used, at least for me.
Meaning varies depending on the context, it could be either "for example", or "metaphorically we might say..."
 
undrentide;389892 said:
Do you mean the meaning of 「たとえとして」?

Yes. I forgot to include the brackets on that sentence. Gomen nasai! I've never heard 「たとえとして」before so I wasn't sure if it had some sort of special nuance to it to make it mean something other than "For instance/Example/etc.". Thanks once again undrentide! 🤩
 
Hello there :).

Would it be possible to convert "13" into Kanji, or does this require something else? Thank you very much for any information.
 
Ok thank you :). I was worried it might mean 103, but of course that is thinking in English terms heh.
 
:( Nobody wants to translate my phrase! So, excuse me for trying again. :-)
"One among many"
Pretty, pretty please.
 
Well, it is though to be general and unspecified. Just one amorph item out of a undefined mass of similar ones. :)
 
CHEESY と SPOILED は 日本語で 何?

Cheesy as in a cheesy joke or pickup line.

Spoiled as in a spoiled rich kid who gets everything he wants from his rich dad.

どうも !!
 
Can't help you with "cheesy," but "a spoiled brat" is 甘えん坊 (amaenbô).
 
undrentide;388110 said:
kisaragi san,
I can explain about the manual for bonsai but it's a bit too much.
It covers three different type of plants, which one did your brother have?
赤松、黒松、or 五色唐辛子?
(I guess the carton box is marked with one of the above.)
As to the scroll, sorry but I have no clue.
Even the first three letters do not make sense to me. (Well, I admit that I have no knowledge about Zen, maybe that's why.... 😌 )


Well, he doesn't have the carton box anymore ... so he doesn't know what plant he got. .... I'm sorry to put you through this ;)
 
Spyder93090;390789 said:
CHEESY と SPOILED は 日本語で 何?
Cheesy as in a cheesy joke or pickup line.
Spoiled as in a spoiled rich kid who gets everything he wants from his rich dad.
どうも !!
低級な、(low class) ちゃちな、(shoddy, silly, chintzy, stupid) 下品な、 (low, vulgar)
低俗な、(vulgar) 悪趣味な、(bad taste) 安っぽい (cheapish)。。。Others for garish or loud. I'm not sure which best fits a tacky or corny joke.
 
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Elizabeth;390797 said:
低級な、(low class) ちゃちな、(shoddy, silly, chintzy, stupid) 下品な、 (low, vulgar)
低俗な、(vulgar) 悪趣味な、(bad taste) 安っぽい (cheapish)。。。Others for garish or loud. I'm not sure which best fits a tacky or corny joke.


I wonder which one would best describe an "Oyaji gyagu"?
 
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Glenn;390791 said:
"a spoiled brat" is 甘えん坊 (amaenbô).

Hmmm..I thought "a spoiled brat" has some negative connotation...like... 甘やかされて育った金持ちの坊ちゃん/お嬢さま, or in short, 甘やかされて育ったやつ, because I saw my American friend saying this phrase, frowning, and referring to a guy whom he really hated, like badmouthing him.

On the other hand, in my opinion, 甘えん坊 doesn't have such a negative connotation. And it has nothing to do with having wealthy parents who buy them anything they ask for. It is often used like:

1) 「私って甘えん坊だから、年上で優しい男の人が好きなの~。」
2) 「俺の彼女、甘えん坊で困っちゃうよ~。」
3) うちの3歳の息子は甘えん坊で困ります。いつもだっこをせがむので料理もできません。

(1) is often said by burikko girls here and they never think it's bad to be an amaenbou. They rather think being one can attract lots of guys.
(2) Even though he says 困っちゃう about his girl friend being amaenbou, he really is never feeling komacchau. We can tell he is in fact very happy and bragging about having such a (in his opinion) sweet gf. In Japanese it's のろけ.
(3)This one maybe has slightly negative connotation. When mothers say their kids are amaenbou, they wish their kids grew up some or became a bit more independent, but I think the word also has connotation of mothers' love toward their children.

Maybe it's only me who thinks this way? Or maybe I have misunderstood what a spoiled brat in English means? I hope other people will post and tell their opinion about this.
 
"Spoiled brat" is definitely pejorative. I embellished too much, it seems. I was thinking "a spoiled person" just didn't have the right feel to it. Funny, though, I would have thought that being spoiled was never a good thing, but I guess that's mostly because the people I've known who have been spoiled actually have been brats.
 
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