Need a word or phrase translated?

[Da Monstar]

damned... But thanx for the Reply, both of ya

 

[Elizabeth]

This is an excerpt of an article taken from today's newspaper on proposed revisions to the Fundamental Education Law. The only wording that I'm seriously wondering about is 鳩山幹事長 remarks on, what....the ruination of educational sites ?? 教育現場の荒廃. Because the following context, if there was any, has been edited out, and it doesn't relate to the previous sentence. Despite this, from what anyone can tell, is he basically referring to the physical infrastructure of buildings falling into disrepair that a compromise on patriotism language won't solve. :?

As always, thanks in advance, minnasan !

これに対し民主党の鳩山幹事長は、「教育基本法の改正自体には賛成だ。ただ、教育基本法は『教育の憲法』と言われているので、本来は、憲法改正と同時に教育基本法の改正を行うべきだ。また教育基本法を改正することで、教育現場の荒廃が解決できるとは思わない」と述べました。

 

[pipokun]

Despite this, from what anyone can tell, is he basically referring to the physical infrastructure of buildings falling into disrepair that a compromise on patriotism language won't solve.
No.
教育現場の荒廃
1. ゆとり教育→教育の質の低下 Many worry about decreased quality of education under the less stressful education. So some parents wish their kids to enroll private schools, in Tokyo area, 1 out of 4 kids are said to prepare for entrance examination for private ones.
2. 問題教師 Incompetent teachers
3. 日教組 Sterile politics between Teacher's Union vs. governments
4. いじめ、不登校、少年犯罪
Or whatever.
I suppose Japanese or Japan exats tend to demonise or be too pesmistic on kids education here, but kids are not angels or demons. Kids are kids.

 

[Elizabeth]

教育現場の荒廃
1. ゆとり教育→教育の質の低下 Many worry about decreased quality of education under the less stressful education. So some parents wish their kids to enroll private schools, in Tokyo area, 1 out of 4 kids are said to prepare for entrance examination for private ones.

はい、それに賛成しています。「ゆと り教育」などで 子供の学力低下のことをくさん心配しているでしょう。返事をありがとうございます。:note: :note:

 

[pipokun]

最近の教育問題は、、、
Just google "小学校 英語 必修化".
ググッてみてください。

 

[Fehrant]

I have a technical question, and some simple word translations. First...

shitsumon (質問) aru -- would that be a proper way of saying the speaker (in this case, myself) has a question?

And what's the meaning of:
1) tsuduku
2) wasuregataki

Thanks in advance.

 

[KrazyKat]

Yes, eg:
すみません、 質問があるんですが・・・

続く つづく To continue
（I'm sure you could have used your dictionary for that one)

忘れがたい （わすれがたい） Hard to forget
忘れる To forget
Add がたい （難い） To -masu stem to make 'hard to'

 

[Fehrant]

You are right. I could've used the dictionary for that one word, then again, I sorta knew the meaning, at least one of the many possible meanings, so I wanted to make sure. :sorry:

わすれがたい (wasuregatai) is the same as my word, wasuregataki (わすれがたき)? :clueless:

 

[KrazyKat]

Adjectival ending い can be replaced with the classical き to give an old fashioned/poetic feel to the word, as long as the adjective comes directly before the modified noun. That is probably the case here.

たとえば：
古い本 O
古き本 O
本は古い O
本は古き X

 

[Fehrant]

I see. That concept is new to me. Didn't know that by adding a き it would be the same word, only written in a poetic way.

domo.

 

[Glenn]

Just a note, for that last example you could say 本は古し. Also note that the し has the opposite restriction that き does -- i.e. it only comes in sentence-final position. In ancient Japanese there was a distinction between the 終止形 and the 連体形 for verbs, adjectives, and the copula.

E.g. -- 固定なる建物; 建物は固定なり (that's probably not really ancient Japanese; the words may be too recent)

 

[Elizabeth]

Yes, eg:
すみません、 質問があるんですが・・・
続く つづく To continue

Everyone may know this already, but more unambiguously in English, "will be continued" or "will last through, drag on for" a set period of time. The transitive form will continue something (the direct object) is 続ける。

 

[Fehrant]

皆さん、質問ある。

Hopefully that simple sentence translated well, and everyone understood I just meant to say I have a question.

The word abayo (あばよ?) which I'm not even sure I got the right spelling, translates (or, to be more precise, it is translated) into "goodbye" but I know it's not just any "goodbye," because it usually said in the context of battle (at least, where I have mostly seen it) when someone is about to give a crippling or devastating blow, a Terminator-esque "hasta la vista, baby" type of thing, in other words.

Could anyone please share more information regarding the context and meaning of such word? Thanks.

 

[Glenn]

I've heard it in plain "see ya later" type situations, so I don't think it's just for battles.

According to the dictionary, it's just a word used when leaving someone (a disgreeting? :emoji_grinning, and it's more informal than さようなら.

 

[The7thSamurai]

The following spoken sentence comes from a JLPT level 3 test from a few years back:

今日、授業が終わったら、すぐ帰ると言ってたけど、友達と映画を見に行くことにしたので、夕飯はいりません。帰りは１０時ごろになると思います。

The following parts that are confusing me are:

と言ってた, is the final 'ta' just a spoken version of 'itte ita'?

What is the purpose of 'kedo' in that sentence? I understand that 'kedo' means 'although', but, in this sentence, although what?

Also, I can see the conditional 'node' but I can't figure out exactly what the condition is. It is:

a) because she is going to the movies she won't need any dinner,
or
b) that she won't be going home early because she's going to the movies?

Anyway, this is my guess:

'Today, when my lesson finishes, although I said I was going to return home immedietely, (I won't be) because I've decided to go to the movies with a friend. Also, I won't need any dinner.

Cheers!

 

[Glenn]

The following spoken sentence comes from a JLPT level 3 test from a few years back:
今日、授業が終わったら、すぐ帰ると言ってたけど、友達と映画を見に行くことにしたので、夕飯はいりません。帰りは１０時ごろになると思います。
The following parts that are confusing me are:
と言ってた, is the final 'ta' just a spoken version of 'itte ita'?
What is the purpose of 'kedo' in that sentence? I understand that 'kedo' means 'although', but, in this sentence, although what?
Also, I can see the conditional 'node' but I can't figure out exactly what the condition is. It is:
a) because she is going to the movies she won't need any dinner,
or
b) that she won't be going home early because she's going to the movies?
Anyway, this is my guess:
'Today, when my lesson finishes, although I said I was going to return home immedietely, (I won't be) because I've decided to go to the movies with a friend. Also, I won't need any dinner.
Cheers!

Looks really close, except "...since I've decided to go the the movies with a friend/some friends, I won't need any dinner."

And yes, 言ってた is a contraction of 言っていた.

 

[The7thSamurai]

Looks really close, except "...since I've decided to go the the movies with a friend/some friends, I won't need any dinner."
And yes, 言ってた is a contraction of 言っていた.

Thanks Glenn!

Just another question, what does the すぐ帰ると言ってたけど part mean? Was I right to think "although I said I would come home soon after my lesson...(then an implied "now I won't be")

i.e. is there an unspoken part after 'kedo' that implies that the person will now not being going home?

Cheers!

 

[Glenn]

Yes, you're right. There's nothing unspoken about it, the reason the speaker won't be going home right after their lesson is because they're going to the movies with some friends, and so they won't need dinner. You can think of けど more like "but" here, if that helps.

Oh, by the way, ～ことにした means "decided to do ～," in case you didn't already know.

 

[The7thSamurai]

Thanks for the speedy response Glenn!

 

[KrazyKat]

皆さん、質問ある。

「質問ある」は、ちょっと失礼（しつれい）だと思います。 「Ｏｉ． Ｉ'ｖｅ ａ ｑｕｅｓｔｉｏｎ！」とかに当たる（あたる）かもしれません。 「すみません、質問があるんですが・・・」とかを使えば（つかえば）いいと思います。

この日本語が分かりましたか？

 

[Elizabeth]

Thanks Glenn!
Just another question, what does the すぐ帰ると言ってたけど part mean? Was I right to think "although I said I would come home soon after my lesson...(then an implied "now I won't be")
i.e. is there an unspoken part after 'kedo' that implies that the person will now not being going home?
Cheers!

または、「友達と映画を見に行ってくるから夕食は要りません」とかですね。

 

[Elizabeth]

]「質問ある」は、ちょっと失礼（しつれい）だと思います。 「Ｏｉ． Ｉ'ｖｅ ａ ｑｕｅｓｔｉｏｎ！」とかに当たる（あたる）かもしれません。 「すみません、質問があるんですが・・・」とかを使えば（つかえば）いいと思います。

この言い方は押し付けがましい感じがしますね。
[ちょっと質問があるんです] とかというようにも使えます。

 

[Fehrant]

「質問ある」は、ちょっと失礼（しつれい）だと思います。 「Ｏｉ． Ｉ'ｖｅ ａ ｑｕｅｓｔｉｏｎ！」とかに当たる（あたる）かもしれません。 「すみません、質問があるんですが・・・」とかを使えば（つかえば）いいと思います。

そですか。:auch:
こんどは、私をきをつける。ありがと、クレイシカットさん。

この日本語が分かりましたか？

うれしい。クレイシカットさんの日本語が分かりました・・・そ思う。:hey:

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Well, that should be enough of my crappy Japanese for people to deal with and go completely nuts; after all, I'm barely starting my first year of Japanese classes, kanbenshite kure (I don't mean this in a rude way).

Although, KrazyKat, I must say I am really grateful that you included the corresponding hiragana of the kanji you used, else I would have not been able to understand; really kind of you. And you also answered my question, as usual, and I'm starting to feel indebted to you, I hope I can somehow repay you with knowledge in other areas.

I had to literally copy/paste all characters since for some reason my computer seems to be unable to have my keyboard properly set up to type in Japanese. Taihen desu~

 

[KrazyKat]

フェラントさんが私の日本語が分かったから、私もうれしいです。 私にもフェラントさんにもいい練習（れんしゅう）になったのです。 間違っても（まちがっても）日本語で書いて（かいて）ください。 直して（なおして）あげますからね。

そですか X
そうですか O

私を気をつける X
気をつける O

ありがと X
ありがとう O

クレイシカット X
クレージーキャット O （キャットでいい）

そ思う X
と思う O

Take care not to mix plain and polite forms.

がんばってください

 

[cheapshot]

うれしい。クレイシカットさんの日本語が分かりました・・・と思う。:hey:
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i often feel this way too. Krazykat is really skilled at Japanese.

EDIT:

where did you hear あばよ？ A student of mine taught it to me and i quickly learnt that it is a "very bad word". this was from one of the teachers at the school though...