Need a word or phrase translated?

[henpai]

Hello. I've been trying to figure out this word for a little while... But I can't find anything useful on it. Can 地手 mean anything useful? The context I found it on reads just "キンパは地手です" ... If anyone could help me, I would be very thankful for the help! ^^

 

[NeoXtremeX]

Hey, I've made this 3 person dialogue for my oral exam. Can you read it and see if there's any grammatical errors?



Minna: "Konnichiwa" "Ogenki desu ka" "Hai, genki desu" <--- this is to my teacher.

Steve: Rodney-san、yasumi wa nani o shimashita ka。

Rodney: Mittsu no machi he ikimashita。

Maile: Hontou desu ka. Dore deshita ka.

Rodney：Saporo to Kyooto to Nagoya deshita.

Steve: Dore ga ichiban suki datta ka。

Rodney: Jaa… omoshiroi rekishi o motteimashita kara, Kyooto ga ichiban suki data.

Maile: Sou desu ka。Jaa、Steve-san… nani o shimashita ka。

Steve: Mikka Kyooto de ita、demo tomodachi no uchi de shuumatsu ni imashita。

Rodney: Tanoshii nanika shimashita ka。

Steve: hai、umi to PAATII e itte、Kabuki o mimashita。

Maile: Hontou… watashi mo Kabuki o mimashita。

Rodney: Dore deshita ka。

Maile: Chuushingura deshita。Ichiban Kabuki desu。Totemo ii desu yo。

Rodney: Sou desu。Jaa、Doyoobi ni Steve-san to Maile-san wa isogashii desuka。

Steve: Uun、isogashikunai。Doushite？

Rodney: Hanshin TAIGAASU no kippu o gomai kaimashita。Ikimasen ka。

Maile: Hanshin TAIGAASU？Nan desu ka。

Rodney: Eh？Wakarimasen？Ichiban BEESUBOORU CHIIMU desu yo。

Steve: Ee、totemo kakkoi！

Maile: Hontou desu ka。Jaa、ikimashoo。Demo、Dare mo ikimasu ka。

Rodney: Mochiron、Adachi-sensee to Reina-san mo ikimasu。

Steve: GEEMU wa itsu da ka。

Rodney: Gogo shichiji desu。

Maile: Nani o mottekimashoo ka。

Rodney (use props): Hanshin no booshi to Hanshin no FURAGGU to Hanshin no te mottekiite kudasai。

Maile: Hai。Adachi-sensee wa untensuru to omoimasu。

Steve: Yosha！SUPOOTSU o miru no ga daisuki da！


Thanks!!!

 

[Glenn]

Hello. I've been trying to figure out this word for a little while... But I can't find anything useful on it. Can 地手 mean anything useful? The context I found it on reads just "キンパは地手です" ... If anyone could help me, I would be very thankful for the help! ^^

Did you transcribe that from a spoken source, by any chance? That word doesn't seem to exist.

 

[henpai]

Did you transcribe that from a spoken source, by any chance? That word doesn't seem to exist.

It was written like that. A truly mysterious phrase...

 

[epigene]

It was written like that. A truly mysterious phrase...

Where did you find it? It doesn't mean anything to me either. Could it be one of the "creative" words coined in anime and manga? Or, was it written by a private individual and not published work? In that case, it may be an error (by a non-native speaker), a typo or simple misconversion.

In short, we need more info...

 

[gnats50]

Hello, may I have a translation for this word please?
ｳﾙﾄﾗﾏｿ

Thank you much!

 

[Buntaro]

@gnats50

ｳﾙﾄﾗﾏｿ is Ultra Man, a Japanese comic book character.

 

[gnats50]

haha. thank you. thats funny. i have a shirt that says that, and I was trying to figure out what it said.

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

In that case, it may be an error (by a non-native speaker), a typo or simple misconversion.

In short, we need more info...

I agree that we need more info. However, I'd just like to point out that native Japanese speakers are not immune from making mistakes in their native tongue, and I have seen many a mistake made by Japanese people. I'm sorry, but I hate it when people assume that native speakers are inherently infallible.

 

[Elizabeth]

I'm sure @epigene wasn't meaning to imply native speakers were immune from simply typos, okashii phrasings and kanji errors. We've all seen and pointed them out, including on rare occasion her own. . Just that this would seem to be an odd sort of error for a fully literate Japanese adult. Perhaps 地手 is used in the Chinese meaning of hand ? or a mistake for 地底 ?

 

[J44xm]

Expressing necessity

How does one express necessity in nihongo? For example, "I need [noun]" or "I need to [verb]." For the former, I imagine the construction would be similar to "[noun] ga [word for needed]"; and for the latter, I imagine it'd be "[verb] koto ga [word for needed]." But I might be totally wrong.

 

[Elizabeth]

How does one express necessity in nihongo? For example, "I need [noun]" or "I need to [verb]." For the former, I imagine the construction would be similar to "[noun] ga [word for needed]"; and for the latter, I imagine it'd be "[verb] koto ga [word for needed]." But I might be totally wrong.

A good guess...and sometimes but as always the reality is usually more complicated. Try first finding some representative sentences in a dictionary under "hitsuyou" (need) or "iru" (require). I'll also expand on this as time allows.

 

[J44xm]

A good guess...and sometimes but as always the reality is usually more complicated. Try first finding some representative sentences in a dictionary under "hitsuyou" (need) or "iru" (require). I'll also expand on this as time allows.

Hmm. Well, first I'll do "hitsuyou" (必要):

私は勉強する必要があります。 (Watashi wa benkyou suru hitsuyou ga arimasu.)
食事制限は必要ですか。 (Shokujiseigen wa hitsuyou desu ka.)

Evidently, then, one of the forms would be "[abrupt statement] hitsuyou ga aru/arimasu," right? And the second form is that of its pseudo-adjective nature, correct? (Thus, "kore wa hitsuyou na enpitsu da" would be correct.) Is there a different between these forms?

Secondly, iru (要る):

まだお茶が要りますか。 (Mada ocha ga irimasu ka.)
偽りの友達なんて要らない。 (Itsuwari no tomodachi nante iranai.)
英語を学ぶには忍耐が要る。 (Eigo o manbu niwa nintai ga iru.)

Iru seems to follow the pattern I guessed more closely. Are there any low-level inflectional differences between "hitsuyou" and "iru" that I should know about? Do I have everything right? Thanks much!

 

[Kaminari]

Many thanks, Epigene. Ryu is the word I needed.

 

[Kaminari]

地手 wouldn't be 地主 (jinushi) by any chance? Otherwise I would have to guess 地 as reading "chi" (located) with "te" as hand - "in the hand" - however, land labourer would also be a possible reading. What does "kinpa" mean?

 

[Glenn]

Hmm. Well, first I'll do "hitsuyou" (必要):

私は勉強する必要があります。 (Watashi wa benkyou suru hitsuyou ga arimasu.)
食事制限は必要ですか。 (Shokujiseigen ha hitsuyou desu ka.)

Evidently, then, one of the forms would be "[abrupt statement] hitsuyou ga aru/arimasu," right? And the second form is that of its pseudo-adjective nature, correct? (Thus, "kore wa hitsuyou na enpitsu da" would be correct.) Is there a different between these forms?

Secondly, iru (要る):

まだお茶が要りますか。 (Mada ocha ga irimasu ka.)
偽りの友達なんて要らない。 (Itsuwari no tomodachi nante iranai.)
英語を学ぶには忍耐が要る。 (Eigo o manbu niwa nintai ga iru.)

Iru seems to follow the pattern I guessed more closely. Are there any low-level inflectional differences between "hitsuyou" and "iru" that I should know about? Do I have everything right? Thanks much!

It all looks good to me, but I'm not sure if there isn't a more natural way to say any of them.

By the way, as per your question of how to say "I need to verb," there are a few constructions that all involve a negative conditional and a "won't do" final verb. For example, for "I need to study":

勉強しなければならない。
勉強しなくてはいけない。
勉強しなくてはだめだ。
勉強しなくてはならない。
勉強しなければいけない。
勉強しなければだめだ。
勉強しないといけない。etc.

And then there are the contracted forms しなけりゃならない and しなくちゃならない; you can drop the last verb like this: しなけりゃ しなくちゃ; and there are contractions of negated verbs like いけん and ならん. There are also the rough versions of しなくちゃ（しなけりゃ）いけねえ and しなくちゃ（しなけりゃ）ならねえ. I believe that's most of what you'll need to say "I need to verb."

 

[Elizabeth]

Hmm. Well, first I'll do "hitsuyou" (必要):

私は勉強する必要があります。 (Watashi wa benkyou suru hitsuyou ga arimasu.)
食事制限は必要ですか。 (Shokujiseigen ha hitsuyou desu ka.)

Evidently, then, one of the forms would be "[abrupt statement] hitsuyou ga aru/arimasu," right? And the second form is that of its pseudo-adjective nature, correct? (Thus, "kore wa hitsuyou na enpitsu da" would be correct.) Is there a different between these forms?

I don't know if it's technically incorrect, but you don't generally hear
[noun]ga hitsuyou ga...'. In this case, it would be hitsuyou desu.
After [noun]wa or the verb hitsuyou ga.... is fine, although maybe still not as common as hitsuyou desu. I'm the wrong one to ask about the desu/arimasu usages.

Secondly, iru (要る):

まだお茶が要りますか。 (Mada ocha ga irimasu ka.)
偽りの友達なんて要らない。 (Itsuwari no tomodachi nante iranai.)
英語を学ぶには忍耐が要る。 (Eigo o manbu niwa nintai ga iru.)

Iru can be used after 'wa' as well of course.
In the affirmative case I'm not sure there is ever a situation that 'hitsuyou' isn't appropriate, and since 'irimasu' isn't nearly as casual or natural, you may want to stick more with the former for now.
使っているうちに自然と身についてくると思いますよ。ほとんどどちらを使っても問題ないと思いますが、必要という表現は友達同士でも普通に使いますよね。

Iru seems to follow the pattern I guessed more closely. Are there any low-level inflectional differences between "hitsuyou" and "iru" that I should know about? Do I have everything right? Thanks much!

One really important point is that Iranai or irimasen is much more common than either "hitsuyou wa nai" (too formal !) or the affirmative case, as Glenn implied above. It is used a lot when refusing something being offered (XXXha iranai desu) or for instance to indicate a word or particle isn't necessary in this sentence. Koko wa XXX wa irimasen.

もし、まだわかりにくかったら質問してくださいね。

 

[J44xm]

It all looks good to me, but I'm not sure if there isn't a more natural way to say any of them.

All right! It's always gratifying to see progress in one's self.

By the way, as per your question of how to say "I need to verb," there are a few constructions that all involve a negative conditional and a "won't do" final verb. For example, for "I need to study":

Good grief, that's a lot of ways. Thanks for bringing them all to my attention, though. Being able to at least recognize these forms is important.

I don't know if it's technically incorrect, but you don't generally hear
[noun]ga hitsuyou ga...'. In this case, it would be hitsuyou desu.
After [noun]wa or the verb hitsuyou ga.... is fine, although maybe still not as common as hitsuyou desu. I'm the wrong one to ask about the desu/arimasu usages.

I'll definitely keep that in mind. (Spontaneous practice example: "Boku wa taberu koto ga hitsuyou desu.")

Iru can be used after 'wa' as well of course.

Er, right, of course. ^_^

In the affirmative case I'm not sure there is ever a situation that 'hitsuyou' isn't appropriate, and since 'irimasu' isn't nearly as casual or natural, you may want to stick more with the former for now.

I'll do that. Thanks for the pointer.

One really important point is that Iranai or irimasen is much more common than either "hitsuyou wa nai" (too formal !) or the affrimative case, as Glenn implied above. It is used a lot when refusing something being offered (XXXha iranai desu) or for instance to indicate a word or particle isn't necessary in this sentence. Koko wa XXX wa irimasen.

Excellent! So then I should lean toward the "hitsuyou desu"/"irimasen" set, eh? Also, may I ask what the function of the "koko wa" is in this example? From my more literal reading, it reads "As for here, XXX isn't necessary." I'm just curious about the construction.

 

[Glenn]

Spontaneous practice example: "Boku wa taberu koto ga hitsuyou desu."

This sounds to me like you're saying that eating is necessary in a more general sense than "I need to eat (right now) because I'm starving." Whether or not it has that nuance I'm not sure, but if anyone can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

One really important point is that Iranai or irimasen is much more common than either "hitsuyou wa nai" (too formal !)

I'm not sure how common this is, but I'm pretty sure I heard this in an anime: なんてやつだ。とどめを刺す必要はねえって言ったろ！ It's not formal at all there, but it may be a dialectical thing. I think the one who said it (ドラゴンゴールゼットの孫悟空) speaks 宮城弁 (みやぎべん). Anyway, I take it to mean "there's no need to finish him" there.

Excellent! So then I should lean toward the "hitsuyou desu"/"irimasen" set, eh? Also, may I ask what the function of the "koko wa" is in this example? From my more literal reading, it reads "As for here, XXX isn't necessary." I'm just curious about the construction.

For verbs it's very common to use the patterns that I've given you. I'm sure you'll hear them enough if you pay attention, but I wanted to let you know anyway.

By the way, it's not as many as it seems to be right offhand if you just look at them a little. It's mostly just rearrangement, so if you just learn the first two the rest should be easily arrived at by plugging the right parts into the equation.

 

[J44xm]

This sounds to me like you're saying that eating is necessary in a more general sense than "I need to eat (right now) because I'm starving." Whether or not it has that nuance I'm not sure, but if anyone can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

Ditto. For the record, I was indeed going for the "I need to eat now!" meaning. I should have realized that the general sense would be the obvious way to understand this. I wonder if just adding "ima" might be sufficient in one sense.

For verbs it's very common to use the patterns that I've given you. I'm sure you'll hear them enough if you pay attention, but I wanted to let you know anyway.

I'll take special note. Many thanks!

By the way, it's not as many as it seems to be right offhand if you just look at them a little. It's mostly just rearrangement, so if you just learn the first two the rest should be easily arrived at by plugging the right parts into the equation.

Sweet! I'll examine them closely. Arigatou.

 

[Buntaro]

"I need to eat (right now) because I'm starving."

--> I would go with, "Tabenai to, dame desu yo." (The subject "I" is understood.)

 

[Elizabeth]

I'm not sure how common this is, but I'm pretty sure I heard this in an anime: なんてやつだ。とどめを刺す必要はねえって言ったろ！ It's not formal at all there, but it may be a dialectical thing. I think the one who said it (ドラゴンゴールゼットの孫悟空) speaks 宮城弁 (みやぎべん). Anyway, I take it to mean "there's no need to finish him" there.

I think generally speaking it is slighter stiffer or more emphatic than the 'nakute (mo) ii' construction, probably corresponding to "there is no need" with "it isn't necessary" in English. In any case, I really shouldn't have mentioned it since AFAIK "hitsuyou (wa) arimsen/nai'' isn't formally analogous to iranai to irimasen in the context of the speaker refusing an offering. That would be 「必要じゃありません」

 

[Elizabeth]

Excellent! So then I should lean toward the "hitsuyou desu"/"irimasen" set, eh? Also, may I ask what the function of the "koko wa" is in this example? From my more literal reading, it reads "As for here, XXX isn't necessary." I'm just curious about the construction.

By the way, を必要としているのではなくて is also a possibility for "don't need", but better to get the fundamentals under your feet first. I think koko wa is OK for "You don't need 'wa' here." Or, "Wa isn't necessary here," or "There is no need for "wa" here" although just "Kono 'wa' wa irimasen/hitsuyou arimsen" may be more natural with the "here" part implied. All of these translations pretty much run together in Japanese for better or worse....

 

[jljzen]

やっぱり。。。

I always use this at the wrong times. Any hints to nuance and situations when I use it?

パーティに来たことないよ。やっぱり今日のは来ないね。

Is that right?

 

[Buntaro]

jljzen,

I usually translate "yappari" as "As you would expect...." or "Wouldn't you know...."