Need a word or phrase translated?
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@J44xm
1. "ピィ," written in roomaji, would be "pi," pronounced like the English "pee."
2. "ライコウ," as distinguished from "ライコー," brings up an interesting comparison of Japanese and English.
English uses the diphthong "コウ" (like in the word "co-star"), whereas Japanese does not. The "co" in "co-star" is pronounced as "コウ," not "コー" in English. This adding of an unwritten "ooh" sound to a word is common in English.
This does not happen in Japanese. Thus the confusion between "ライコウ" (with the "ooh" sound) and "ライコー" (without the "ooh" sound).
When rendering English words into Japanese, Japanese people usually drop the "ooh" sound. This is an incorrect rendering, but it is how it is usually rendered. Hence the tendency of Japanese people to write "ライコー" not "ライコウ." (There may be a recent tendency in Japanese to more correctly render these English sounds, but I am not aware of it. Has anybody else seen this?)
1. "ピィ," written in roomaji, would be "pi," pronounced like the English "pee."
2. "ライコウ," as distinguished from "ライコー," brings up an interesting comparison of Japanese and English.
English uses the diphthong "コウ" (like in the word "co-star"), whereas Japanese does not. The "co" in "co-star" is pronounced as "コウ," not "コー" in English. This adding of an unwritten "ooh" sound to a word is common in English.
This does not happen in Japanese. Thus the confusion between "ライコウ" (with the "ooh" sound) and "ライコー" (without the "ooh" sound).
When rendering English words into Japanese, Japanese people usually drop the "ooh" sound. This is an incorrect rendering, but it is how it is usually rendered. Hence the tendency of Japanese people to write "ライコー" not "ライコウ." (There may be a recent tendency in Japanese to more correctly render these English sounds, but I am not aware of it. Has anybody else seen this?)
J44xm
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Thanks for the reply, Buntaro.
1. That would actually be "pi," right? (That's a handakuten, there.) Why write it like that, since ピ alone is "pi"?
2. Gotta admit, I'm a bit confused. So in katakana, "dough" is written ドー or ド, but it's pronounced as ドウ? No ... sorry, I'm confused.
1. That would actually be "pi," right? (That's a handakuten, there.) Why write it like that, since ピ alone is "pi"?
2. Gotta admit, I'm a bit confused. So in katakana, "dough" is written ドー or ド, but it's pronounced as ドウ? No ... sorry, I'm confused.
- 27 Dec 2003
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@J44xm
I don't know why they write ピィ instead of ピ ー.
First, do you agree that "dough" is pronounced as ドウ? (Some people have a hard time hearing it.)
OK. To Japanese people, saying ドウ is something they just do not worry about, or care about. It IS easier to say ドー, and that is what they say.
Another factor is the power of the written word. Many English words that contain a diphthong do not have the diphthong spelled out in the word, or the spelling is just downright bizarre. Take the English word "doe." It is exceedingly difficult for a Japanese person to look at this word and know how to pronounce it correctly. They simply take the consonant, take the vowel, they get ドー, and that is as far as they go.
You must also remember that hundreds of thousands of Japanese people only use English as a written language - they never use English listening or speaking skills. As such, they have no system at all to even let them know they need to worry about diphthongs.
Another factor is that non-diphthong spellings of English are very much standardized into Japanese. Hundreds of thousands of Japanese people will immediately say that the City of Oakland, when rendered as オウクランド is wrong and オークランド is right. A Japanese person who spells out diphthongs will stand out from the crowd, something very much discouraged in Japanese society.
Take something as simple as the city-name Tokyo. Japanese people say トーキョー while Americans トウキョウ.
Also, remember that diphthongs such as ドウ do not exist in Japanese. Getting Japanese people to use them just makes the whole job more difficult.
I don't know why they write ピィ instead of ピ ー.
First, do you agree that "dough" is pronounced as ドウ? (Some people have a hard time hearing it.)
OK. To Japanese people, saying ドウ is something they just do not worry about, or care about. It IS easier to say ドー, and that is what they say.
Another factor is the power of the written word. Many English words that contain a diphthong do not have the diphthong spelled out in the word, or the spelling is just downright bizarre. Take the English word "doe." It is exceedingly difficult for a Japanese person to look at this word and know how to pronounce it correctly. They simply take the consonant, take the vowel, they get ドー, and that is as far as they go.
You must also remember that hundreds of thousands of Japanese people only use English as a written language - they never use English listening or speaking skills. As such, they have no system at all to even let them know they need to worry about diphthongs.
Another factor is that non-diphthong spellings of English are very much standardized into Japanese. Hundreds of thousands of Japanese people will immediately say that the City of Oakland, when rendered as オウクランド is wrong and オークランド is right. A Japanese person who spells out diphthongs will stand out from the crowd, something very much discouraged in Japanese society.
Take something as simple as the city-name Tokyo. Japanese people say トーキョー while Americans トウキョウ.
Also, remember that diphthongs such as ドウ do not exist in Japanese. Getting Japanese people to use them just makes the whole job more difficult.
I don't know much about Pokemon, but the pokemon creator named ピィ, for the small "i" looks a bit cute. And the pronounciation for ピィ is different from ピ or ピー. The tone of ピィ is a falling tone, on the other hand ピー is usually a flat tone.
So how should you pronouce ピィ and ピイ in sound? Rather hard to tell, but pronounce the small i in a bit softer and lower voice than large i.
So how should you pronouce ピィ and ピイ in sound? Rather hard to tell, but pronounce the small i in a bit softer and lower voice than large i.
Damicci
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Well let's test my weak skills:
返事とても遅くなってごめんね。ずっと仕事が忙しくてメールできなかった。
I am sorry my reply was so late. Work has made me so busy I have not been able to mail you.
早く日本に来ることができたらいいね～！私は楽しみにしてるよ。明日クラブに行きます。とても楽しみです。Damianが日本に遊びに来たときは色んなところ案内したいです。
It would be cool if you could come to Japan soon. I would have fun. Tomorrow I am going to a club. Should be very fun. (This sentence I am a lil lost as I am not familiar with the 漢字) When you come to hang out in Japan, ???. (All I can tell is that she wants something. O_O.
じゃあまたね・・・・！
返事とても遅くなってごめんね。ずっと仕事が忙しくてメールできなかった。
I am sorry my reply was so late. Work has made me so busy I have not been able to mail you.
早く日本に来ることができたらいいね～！私は楽しみにしてるよ。明日クラブに行きます。とても楽しみです。Damianが日本に遊びに来たときは色んなところ案内したいです。
It would be cool if you could come to Japan soon. I would have fun. Tomorrow I am going to a club. Should be very fun. (This sentence I am a lil lost as I am not familiar with the 漢字) When you come to hang out in Japan, ???. (All I can tell is that she wants something. O_O.
じゃあまたね・・・・！
Glenn
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nice gaijin said:
I fixed your post. The reason for the mojibake was the half-width alphanumeric characters in your post (in this case, IME). When using alphanumeric characters be sure to use full-width (全角). Further explanation can be found by following the link in my signature.
Damicci
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I wasn't thinking anything bad ☺ but I didn't know exactly what she was stating. so it could have been anything as far as I know.
Thanks for the help.
When you see 色 inputted like this. Does it usually mean iroiro abr.?
Cause I got it confused with いろ for color.
Thanks for the help.
When you see 色 inputted like this. Does it usually mean iroiro abr.?
Cause I got it confused with いろ for color.
Elizabeth
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I suppose just because the default or preferred character in IME is kanji output and it takes that extra step to put it back to hiragana.Damicci said:
I don't know how iroiro got the meaning of various, though,
most 色 combinations have to do with sexual passion or color.
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色んな／色々な (いろいろな） is an adjective meaning various, I usually see and use it with the kanji. that kanji is also used in other compounds like 色男、色女、and 色気違い that relate to sex; but in this case I'm pretty sure she's just saying she wants to show you around. another use for this is 色々ありがとう, which just means thanks for everything.
btw, 案内する＝あんないする, to guide
btw, 案内する＝あんないする, to guide
LilKewtyChic
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how do you say "i love you" "i love my boyfriend"? thanks
Elizabeth
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I love you is "anata wo aishiteiru" or "anata ga (dai)sukidesu" or Sukidesuyo etc...Damicci said:There are different ways to say.
maybe watashi no kareshi ga daisuki desu
or kareshi ni aishiteru
Telling someone else you love your boyfriend :
watashi no (or wa) kareshi ga daisuki desu
Watashi wa kare wo aishiteiru
Watashi wa kare ni koishiteiru
Along with some other variations...
Damicci
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Elizabeth said:I love you is "anata wo aishiteiru" or "anata ga (dai)sukidesu" or Sukidesuyo etc...
Telling someone else you love your boyfriend :
watashi no (or wa) kareshi ga daisuki desu
Watashi wa kare wo aishiteiru
Watashi wa kare ni koishiteiru
Along with some other variations...
I knew wanted to see if you knew that.
but the first was abit easy i just wanted to see if i could come up with a correct suggestion for the second statement :sorry:
The7thSamurai
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The other day I purchased something online from a Japanese auto company, and yesterday I received an email which I think was just the notice of dispatch. However I'm a bit confused by the following sentences which are on the email.
ご注文頂きまして誠にありがとうございました。
またのご利用を心よりお待ちしております。
The first sentence is basically "thank you for your order". But the second sentence is the one that's confusing me. I'm reading it as "also, we are easily awaiting your use (of the product)", but I'm not so sure as this seem like quite a strange thing to say, and I'm worried that they might be waiting for me confirm something with them?
What does everyone else say?
ご注文頂きまして誠にありがとうございました。
またのご利用を心よりお待ちしております。
The first sentence is basically "thank you for your order". But the second sentence is the one that's confusing me. I'm reading it as "also, we are easily awaiting your use (of the product)", but I'm not so sure as this seem like quite a strange thing to say, and I'm worried that they might be waiting for me confirm something with them?
What does everyone else say?
The7thSamurai
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Elizabeth said:
Ahh ok, so "またのご利用" means "next use". I was looking at "また" in the wrong context. Thanks for your speedy reply
Zhivago
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Really simple question.
本とに単問
aoi is blue, what aoki is ?
あおいは『ブル』ですね。 あおきは何ですか。
Original line is " さよなら あおき 日日よ"
原審は（さよなら あおき 日日よ）です。
My guess would be that 'aoki' is shade of blue, but I'm not sure.
思いは（あおき）が青いの濃淡です, でも自信なしです。
And if/when there are some mistakes in thoose translations, could you please corret me. I did them just to see if I could write them. I'm not really sure if 'tanmon' means simple question, I just parsed it up from dictionary words.
I also noted that I have no idea how to say 'I think' or 'to be sure'
Breen was not very helpful either. :?
Thanks for help.
本とに単問
aoi is blue, what aoki is ?
あおいは『ブル』ですね。 あおきは何ですか。
Original line is " さよなら あおき 日日よ"
原審は（さよなら あおき 日日よ）です。
My guess would be that 'aoki' is shade of blue, but I'm not sure.
思いは（あおき）が青いの濃淡です, でも自信なしです。
And if/when there are some mistakes in thoose translations, could you please corret me. I did them just to see if I could write them. I'm not really sure if 'tanmon' means simple question, I just parsed it up from dictionary words.
I also noted that I have no idea how to say 'I think' or 'to be sure'
Breen was not very helpful either. :?
Thanks for help.
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willuknight
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I was wondering, I'm writing to my Japanese autie-in-law, should i write it out by hand, or type it and print it off ?
My Japanese hand writing is rather messy...
I also though I could include both? handwritten to show I made an effort, and types so that she could actually read it :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
My Japanese hand writing is rather messy...
I also though I could include both? handwritten to show I made an effort, and types so that she could actually read it :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
GaijinPunch
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Simple question = ﾅ?ﾃ遺?儕窶堙闇ｽﾂｿ窶禿｢
Really = 窶怒窶懌? (not 窶怒窶堙?
ﾂ静や?堋ｫ is just another way to say blue.
Re writing to the Aunt:
Well, the more you write by hand, the better it will get (eventually). I used to be able to write some nice stuff. Since the invention of the computer, it's gotten awful. I had to write on a birthday card to the mother in law... it looked like it was written by 4-year old.
In my defense, my English hand-writing has gotten a bit nasty as well.
Really = 窶怒窶懌? (not 窶怒窶堙?
ﾂ静や?堋ｫ is just another way to say blue.
Re writing to the Aunt:
Well, the more you write by hand, the better it will get (eventually). I used to be able to write some nice stuff. Since the invention of the computer, it's gotten awful. I had to write on a birthday card to the mother in law... it looked like it was written by 4-year old.
In my defense, my English hand-writing has gotten a bit nasty as well.
willuknight
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well my english writing at least can look better if I spend time on it... With my japanese writing it would be all over the place, if i weren't using graph paper
I know what you mean about computers... i would never want to be without one, but by joe, they sure have an effect on your hand writing !
I know what you mean about computers... i would never want to be without one, but by joe, they sure have an effect on your hand writing !
