Tsuyoiko said:Ahh, now it makes sense. When I looked it up in the dictionary it said 'counter for large animals', which hurt my brain! Thanks Ralian.
BTW, how do you pronounce it in this case?
ralian said:Oh, I would love to hear,
ใไผใใใใฃใใใ
Elizabeth said:Ze is used as a command/imperative mood ? I didn't realize.... :sorry:
Saku39 said:how would you use and with, lets say drinks.... like biiru shushte(romanji spelling off) osake ga nomitai desu.... trying to say I'll have a beer and sake to drink.... where does the and go, also the ga if their are two topics...? Thx, japanese is fun!!!
Glenn said:That's soshite.
You could say biiru to sake ga nomitai desu for "I want to drink beer and sake." If you're ordering I think it would be better to say biiru to sake ga moraitai'n desu ga, but I'm not absolutely certain on that one.
Also, this brings up a question from me: how would I say "I'll have a beer and a sake?" Would it be biiru to sake o ippon kudasai, or is there a way to say "each" (as in "one of each") that has to be used for the sentence to make sense when specifying number? Also, when saying "three beers and two sake," would you have to say biiru o sanbon to sake o nihon kudasai, or is there another way of saying that (assuming that that's right in the first place)?
There may be other ways, but I've personally always used Glenn's method (biiru wo sanbon to sake wo ippai kudasai (onegai)) for different counters. For "each" you can add "zutsu" after the amount so I suppose "biiru to sake wo nipon zutsu kudasi" is workable when there is that yen for sake by the glass.Glenn said:That's soshite.
You could say biiru to sake ga nomitai desu for "I want to drink beer and sake." If you're ordering I think it would be better to say biiru to sake ga moraitai'n desu ga, but I'm not absolutely certain on that one.
Also, this brings up a question from me: how would I say "I'll have a beer and a sake?" Would it be biiru to sake o ippon kudasai, or is there a way to say "each" (as in "one of each") that has to be used for the sentence to make sense when specifying number? Also, when saying "three beers and two sake," would you have to say biiru o sanbon to sake o nihon kudasai, or is there another way of saying that (assuming that that's right in the first place)?
ใปใฃใปใฃใปใใใใใใใจ่จใฃใฆใใใใใญใใชใใฆใใใใใฐใฌใณใใใGlenn said:ไผใใใใฃใใใใฉใชใขใณใ :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
๏ผๆฌฒใใใฃใๅฝฑ้ฟใใชใใฆใใฟใพใใใญใ๏ผ :emoji_bow:
Elizabeth said:"Morau" sounds more like a request than an order, "ga mortaitain" is closest to "I want to ask for this and this from you so comes with a really strong feeling for most situations. Best to stick with kudasai or onegai shimasu, although there may be times you can leave off the "wo"....that always confuses me.
Damicci said:My friend said:
ๆฌใฏใใใซBottle ใจ ๆฏใฏใฐใฉในGlass
ใใผใซใไธๆฌ๏ผ๏ผๆฏ๏ผ ใจ ้ ใไบๆฌ๏ผไบๆฏ๏ผใไธใใ
ใใใใใใผใซไธใคใจใ้ ใไบใคไธใใใใใปใฏใใใชใใ
These are ok to use she said. and even using tsu would be an easier counter.
ralian said:ใปใฃใปใฃใปใใใใใใใจ่จใฃใฆใใใใใญใใชใใฆใใใใใฐใฌใณใใใ
ralian said:ใใใใใใใใจใฃใฆใๅฏใใใฃใใใใใใพใๅฏใใใฃใใฎใงใ
ใ้ ้ฃฒใใชใใฎใซใ็ก็ใซ้ฃฒใใง:gulp:ใ็ฎใๅใฃใกใใฃใใใฒใฃใใใ :emoji_rage:
ๆฅๆฌใงใฏ็ฅใใชใไบบใจใใพใๅฃใๅฉใใพใใใญใ :emoji_slight_smile: I think for a lot of English speakers "Beer, please" or "Do me the favor of a beer"... doesn't comport with Japanese politeness. ใ่ถใไธๆฏ้ ใใใใฎใงใใใใใ๏ผใใใใใใงใใใๆฌฒใใใใ ใใฉ๏ผare all "I'd like to receive/have," (More directly I want = ้ ใใใใ่ฒฐใใใใใปใใ๏ผbut in a restaurant situation they are too unclear to be used for ordering I think. ่ฒฐใใพใใ๏ผ would be "Can I have/get?" if you weren't sure they had or could fulfill it, so you could say like "็ชๅดใฎๅธญใ่ฒฐใใพใใ๏ผ" or "ใใใณใๅฐใชใใซใใฆใใใใพใใ๏ผ :angryfire: :emoji_blush:Glenn said:Interesting. I thought it just meant "I'd like to have..." so it seemed evasive enough for me. I remember reading about it as a way to ask for service in a book that I have, that's why I brought it up. It seems to me that saying "I'd like to have..." is softer than "please give me..." but maybe it's just me. :emoji_thermometer_face:
ใใผใซใฏใๅคง็ถใไธๆฌใใ ใใใDamicci said:My friend said:
ๆฌใฏใใใซBottle ใจ ๆฏใฏใฐใฉในGlass
ใใผใซใไธๆฌ๏ผ๏ผๆฏ๏ผ ใจ ้ ใไบๆฌ๏ผไบๆฏ๏ผใไธใใ
ใใใใใใผใซไธใคใจใ้ ใไบใคไธใใใใใปใฏใใใชใใ
These are ok to use she said. and even using tsu would be an easier counter.
Due to the front, rain reaches us where we are and strong sunlight gradually returns to the Sea of Japan side.Tsuyoiko said:I am struggling with this sentence.
ใใ ใๅ็ทใซใใ้จใฏใใใพใงใงใๆฅๆฌๆตทๅดใงใฏใใใ ใใซๅผทใๆฅๅทฎใใๆปใฃใฆใใใ
I know it is about rain due to a weather front and strong sunlight will gradually return to the Japan sea side, but I can't make it into a proper sentence.
ๆใ้ฃใใใใใพใ!
ใซ้ใฃใฆ means "limited to" or "just looking at"Mahoujin Tsukai said:ๅๅผทใใชใ็ฉใซ้ใฃใฆใ่ฉฆ้จใซๅบ้กใใใใ
้ถๆฆ(ๆณจ1)ใฏๅ จ้จใงๆตใใซใญใฃใใ(ๆณจ2)ใจ้ใฃใฆใใใซ้ใฃใฆใTBF(ๆณจ3)ใ็ฉบๆธฏใ็ๆใใใใ
(ๆณจ1) ไธ่ฑ ้ถๅผ่ฆไธๆฆ้ๆฉ
(ๆณจ2) ใใ็ฑณๆฆ้ๆฉ
(ๆณจ3) ใใ็ฑณ็ๆๆฉ
Elizabeth said:Due to the front, rain reaches us where we are and strong sunlight gradually returns to the Sea of Japan side.
It's like "simply" or "however" but you can't really tell without knowing the sentence or context that came before.Tsuyoiko said:ๆใ้ฃใใใใใพใ Elizabeth! Can you explain what the ใใ is, as I still don't get how it fits into this sentence. ๆใ้ฃใ ใพใ!
Elizabeth said:ๆฅๆฌใงใฏ็ฅใใชใไบบใจใใพใๅฃใๅฉใใพใใใญใ
Elizabeth said:I think for a lot of English speakers "Beer, please" or "Do me the favor of a beer"... doesn't comport with Japanese politeness. ใ่ถใไธๆฏ้ ใใใใฎใงใใใใใ๏ผใใใใใใงใใใๆฌฒใใใใ ใใฉ๏ผare all "I'd like to receive/have," (More directly I want = ้ ใใใใ่ฒฐใใใใใปใใ๏ผbut in a restaurant situation they are too unclear to be used for ordering I think. ่ฒฐใใพใใ๏ผ would be "Can I have/get?" if you weren't sure they had or could fulfill it, so you could say like "็ชๅดใฎๅธญใ่ฒฐใใพใใ๏ผ" or "ใใใณใๅฐใชใใซใใฆใใใใพใใ๏ผ :angryfire:
Elizabeth said:It's like "simply" or "however" but you can't really tell without knowing the sentence or context that came before.
Here is another instance of 'but, however' from the story in the papers this morning on a bomb planted near the Japanese Defense Forces in Iraq. It may have come about as a shortened "tadashi," I'm not really sure.Tsuyoiko said:Then it will be 'however', because the previous sentence was about weather somewhere else. I only found the 'simply' or 'usually' meaning in the dictionary, which didn't make sense.
ๆใ้ฃใใใใใพใ Elizabeth!
Elizabeth said:Here is another instance of 'but, however' from the story in the papers this morning on a bomb planted near the Japanese Defense Forces in Iraq. It may have come about as a shortened "tadashi," I'm not really sure.
็พๅฐใฎๆฒปๅฎๅฝๅฑใซใใใจใ็พๅ ดไป่ฟใใใฏ่ตคๅค็ทใใคใใ้ ้่ฃ ็ฝฎใ่ฆใคใใใพใใใใใฎใใใ่ช่ก้ใ็ใฃใ็ๅผพไบไปถใจใฎ่ฆๆนใๅผทใใๆฒปๅฎๅฝๅฑใฏ็พๅ ดไป่ฟใซใใไฝๆฐใชใฉๆฐไบบใใใๅ่ไบบใจใใฆไบๆ ใ่ดใใฆใใพใใใใ ใๆฟๅบใจใใฆใฏใไปใฎใจใใใใตใใฏใฏ้ๆฆ้ๅฐๅใงใ่ช่ก้ใๆค้ใใใ็ถๆณใซใฏใชใใจใใฆใใพใใ
ใใใใจใญใใฐใฌใณใใใใใชใใฎใใใใ่จ่ใฎใใใใงใใใฃใใๅ ๆฐใซใชใฃใ็งใงใใGlenn said:ใๆฌๅฝใซใใใปใฉๅฏใใใฎใใใใใชใใฐใใชใผในใใฉใชใขใซใใ่กใใใๅใจไผใฃใฆใฟใใใใ้ ใ้ฃฒ ใใชใใฎใชใใฐใใใฏใ้ฃฒใใงใฏใใใชใใใ ใใญใใ ใฎๅ ดๅใใใใใใๅใๅฉใใซ่กใฃใฆใฟใใ๏ผใ๏ผๅฎใฏ็งใฏไปใใกใใฃใจใ ใ้ ใฃใฆใใพใใใญใ ๏ผ