Need a word or phrase translated?
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Kama,
"As long as I live I'll look for love" is "Shinu made, ai no koto o sagashimasu."
kisu,
"I made you (some) cookies." is "(Anata no tame ni) kukkii o tsukurimashita." Although there may be a better verb out there for "to bake".
"I hope they are delicious" =
I would use the phrase, "Ooishisou," which means "They look delicious." Is that what you are looking for?
"Please help me in japanese now." is "Watashi no nihongo ni tetsudate kudasai."
"I won't be (so) shy." is "(Sonna ni) hazukashiku narimasen."
"I'll do my best" is "Gambarimasu!"
"As long as I live I'll look for love" is "Shinu made, ai no koto o sagashimasu."
kisu,
"I made you (some) cookies." is "(Anata no tame ni) kukkii o tsukurimashita." Although there may be a better verb out there for "to bake".
"I hope they are delicious" =
I would use the phrase, "Ooishisou," which means "They look delicious." Is that what you are looking for?
"Please help me in japanese now." is "Watashi no nihongo ni tetsudate kudasai."
"I won't be (so) shy." is "(Sonna ni) hazukashiku narimasen."
"I'll do my best" is "Gambarimasu!"
:You're right. As you say, 失言 is not a mere mistake/error but is 失礼.PaulTB said:
Generally speaking, Japanese people are sensitive to 失礼.
In my opinion, many part of motivation (reason) of thier behavior
is to avoid 失礼 things.
外国語で書かれた文章から感情を読みとるのは本当に難しいですね。Elizabeth said:
あと文化の違いがあるのかもしれません。日本人にとって、他人がどのように思っているか、感じているかが、重要なことだと考えておいたほうがいいと思います。
手紙の書き手は、相手（Elizabethさん？）の要求を拒否したいのですから、それに同意することが一番ですね。(The best is that you agree with him and you give up the overlapping.) If you give up the overlapping,
「おっしゃることがよく分かりました。無理を言って申し訳ありませんでした。」would be good.
I understoood you ask what '失言でひどく失望しました' would sound to me and when the phrase would be reasonable, right?Elizabeth said:
If so, the Japanese sentense would be
'ところで、[失言でひどく失望しました]はどのような感じに聞こえるのですか？
また、どんなときに適切な言い方ですか'.
The answer is the following:
My dictionary says the meaning of 失言 is 'making a slip of the toungue', 'use improper language'. But basically, 失言 is a mere mistake or error but is 失礼 to others as well.
失望 should be used if you disappoint in someone/something and you want to blame him/her/it. So, [失言でひどく失望しました] would be the best phrase if someone did 失言 to you and you got angry at the person and wanted to express your anger or/and strongly to blame the person.
「がっかりした」は「失望した」より、柔らかい表現です。
「残念だ」も使います。
ホテルですか。。費用がかかって大変ですね。
uoza82 said:
It could be translated into Japanese, but not into ONLY kanji, as like below:
逃げるな、行け。求めるな、それは意外な時に向こうからやってくる。
It's not cool as a tatoo at least for me. Good luck!
kisu said:
It's a difficult question to answer. Because you didn't identify the reading of 君.
Is this きみ(kimi) or くん(kun)? Let me know which is you want, please.
Kama said:
I think 'anata no tame dake ni ikiteiru' would be better.
fixelbrumpf
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Buntaro said:
How about this:
"I made you (some) cookies" （あなたにクッキーを作（つく）りました？）??
Kukkii wo tsukutte agemashita.
"selfmade" <-- eg.. the cookies
Jibun de tsukurimashita. (I made them myself.)
By the way, is it possible to cram it all into one sentence and put it like this:
"jibun de tsukurimashita kukkii wo tsukete agemashita"?
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Waka-san!
I once was severly scolded for saying ~te agemashita to a customer of my company. Doesn't it give a feeling of superiority? I was told not to say "tsukutte agemashita" but must say only "tsukurimashita" to someone higher in social status (a boss, a customer). Is that true?
I once was severly scolded for saying ~te agemashita to a customer of my company. Doesn't it give a feeling of superiority? I was told not to say "tsukutte agemashita" but must say only "tsukurimashita" to someone higher in social status (a boss, a customer). Is that true?
fixelbrumpf
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Hmm, probably. I recall coming across the "te ageru" construction in rather informal situations when both interlocutors are somewhat close to each other, e.g. in anime.
fixelbrumpf said:
Hi there, I am new here...my name is Darren
For a relative clause modifying the noun kukkii, the plain dictionary forums are always used. They are what's called "rentai-kei" in grammar... so "tsukurimashita kukkii" would be grammatically incorrect. Something like "tsukutta kukkii" would be better in this case.
In the above sentence, you are using the verb tsukuru twice, and that makes it sound unnatural... maybe you want to use the word "tezukuri"? （手作り）for homemade.
自分の手作りのクッキーを作ってあげました�と言ったらどう？
Elizabeth
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nhk9 said:
Home baked or home made (手焼き or 自製.ホームメイド) may turn out to be more what you're looking for (手作り getting you closer to hand crafted or handicraft style products). But either way I've never fallen in the 'I made my own homemade cookies for you' trap in English and I'm not about to start in Japanese.
TwistedMac
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Elizabeth said:
LOL, in Swedish we call that "kaka på kaka" ("cake on cake".. e.g. completely unnecessary) you have that expression in American/English?
Buntaro said:
Yes, that's true.
"XXXte ageru" sounds somehow haughty, so you were told not to say that.
Texts may explain "ageru" as polite (humble) form of 'give', but practically "ageru" sounds rather haughty.
I think that using the word of "give" has a tendency of giving a feeleing of inferiority to others at least in Japan. So, you were told to avoid use of 'give', that is, to say only "tsukurimashita".
fixelbrumpf said:
あなたにクッキーを作りました which you wrote would be the best.
This imply 'the cookies are self-made'.
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fixelbrumpf,
If I may, I would like to offer one thought:
jibun de tsukutta kukkii wo....
is better than
jibun de tsukurimashita kukkii wo....
Even thow it looks like such politeness is a good idea, when a verb is used in a clause that modifies a noun, the ~masu form is not used. Simply sticking ~masu or ~mashita at the end of a sentence makes *the whole sentence* polite.
If I may, I would like to offer one thought:
jibun de tsukutta kukkii wo....
is better than
jibun de tsukurimashita kukkii wo....
Even thow it looks like such politeness is a good idea, when a verb is used in a clause that modifies a noun, the ~masu form is not used. Simply sticking ~masu or ~mashita at the end of a sentence makes *the whole sentence* polite.
WakaP is very right about the -ageru form being a somehow haughty expression.
Sometimes, if you want to say, do a favour and help someone (especiall me-ue or ppl of higher social status), you might want to use something like Vstem-tai-to-omoimasu... For example: kenkyuu no kekka wo happyou shitai to omoimasu instead of happyou shiteageru.
If you want to be even more polite, you could always use something like "allow me to do it", which is "happyou sasete moraimasu" or "happyou sasete itadakimasu" or even "happyou sasete itadakitai to omoimasu"
So in this case, it could be "kukkii wo tsukuritai to omoimasu" etc.
ダーレン
Sometimes, if you want to say, do a favour and help someone (especiall me-ue or ppl of higher social status), you might want to use something like Vstem-tai-to-omoimasu... For example: kenkyuu no kekka wo happyou shitai to omoimasu instead of happyou shiteageru.
If you want to be even more polite, you could always use something like "allow me to do it", which is "happyou sasete moraimasu" or "happyou sasete itadakimasu" or even "happyou sasete itadakitai to omoimasu"
So in this case, it could be "kukkii wo tsukuritai to omoimasu" etc.
ダーレン
Glenn
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nhk9 said:
Well, this is at least the third time that I've posted this, but sasete itadakimasu isn't so polite. It basically means "I'm going to do X and I don't care what you think about it."
Glenn said:
I guess that could be one's way of interpreting it, but gramatically and technically speaking it could also mean ``Allow me to (receive the favour by) happyou-ing to you``. This sentence is very often used with the verb shoukai suru, and when used in the sense ``私を紹介させていただきます窶?#12289;it means almost identical to English's "Allow me to introduce myself", which is a rather polite expression (as compared to something like "I am going to introduce myself" etc.)
And if one pays attention to say, how announcers in Japanese tv shows or how OL ladies talk in keigo, the expression is used very frequently. Since announcers and OL ladies are trained to use polite keigo, I am sure that this expression that they use is not of the "not so polite" type of expression, wouldn't you think so?
Elizabeth
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Sashiagemasu at least still retains it's politeness quotiant (hasn't been overused to the point of banalitywakaP said:
) for when you really need it, in giving to your superiors. Although I'm not sure it should still be used directly to the person getting benefitted or not :?
