Need a word or phrase translated?

[LukeSettle]

ありがとうとりとりべサン。
えぇ・・・ まだまだです

Ａ）オレが亜豆にアドレス聞いといてやるよ
Ｂ）いいよ。 そんなことしたら情けない男って思われる。

Ａ）（Ｓｏｍｅｔｈｉｎｇ ａｂｏｕｔ ａｚｕｋｉ'ｓ ｅｍａｉｌ ａｄｄｒｅｓｓ）
Ｂ）Ｉｔｓ ｏｋａｙ． Ｉｆ ｙｏｕ ｄｏ ｔｈａｔ ｋｉｎｄ ｏｆ ｔｈｉｎｇ ｓｈｅ'ｌｌ ｔｈｉｎｋ ｉｍ ｐａｔｈｅｔｉｃ。
Ｗｈａｔｓ ｗｉｔｈ ｔｈｅ 聞いといてやるよ Ｐａｒｔ？

 

[undrentide]

Ａ）オレが亜豆にアドレス聞いといてやるよ
Ｂ）いいよ。 そんなことしたら情けない男って思われる。

Ａ）（Ｓｏｍｅｔｈｉｎｇ ａｂｏｕｔ ａｚｕｋｉ'ｓ ｅｍａｉｌ ａｄｄｒｅｓｓ）
Ｂ）Ｉｔｓ ｏｋａｙ． Ｉｆ ｙｏｕ ｄｏ ｔｈａｔ ｋｉｎｄ ｏｆ ｔｈｉｎｇ ｓｈｅ'ｌｌ ｔｈｉｎｋ ｉｍ ｐａｔｈｅｔｉｃ。
Ｗｈａｔｓ ｗｉｔｈ ｔｈｅ 聞いといてやるよ Ｐａｒｔ？

聞いといてやるよ
＝ 聞いて＋おいて＋やる＋よ
＝ 聞いておいてあげるよ

Now does it make sense?
やる is plain form of あげる, meaning "to give" also "to give a favour".
In speech, this kind of "contraction" (not sure if this is a proper term) often happens.

～て＋おく→とく
(more obvious if written in romaji: te + oku = t(e)oku)

オレが亜豆にアドレス聞いといてやるよ
I'll ask 亜豆 the address (for you/on your behalf).

 

[Tomii515]

Random jumping in here. I looked up yaru, since I didn't knwo I meant "to give" or in the case, "to blahblah for you". It said to use it to someone inferior to you, or animals, etc?? or something...

遣る 【やる】 (v5r,vt) (1) (uk) (col) to do; (2) (often 犯る) to have sexual intercourse; (3) (often 殺る) to kill; (4) to give (to inferiors, animals, etc.); (aux-v) (5) to do for (inferiors); (6) (See 使いにやる) to send (e.g. somebody somewhere); to dispatch (e.g. letter) (despatch); (7) to move (something to); to row (a boat); (8) (used in place of other verb) to have (eat, drink, smoke); to study; to run or operate (a restaurant); (P) [V][Ex][G][GI][S ][A]

Yeah, so is that true?

 

[LukeSettle]

Undrentideへ
ありがとうございました！ I really have to get used to those contractions.. >.<
And yes, contraction is a word. Doesn't is a contraction of "Does" and "not"
Tomiiへ

Yeah that's the definition.. I think.
Saying its for inferiors is kinda misleading imo, because this is between two teenagers at the same age, so theyre always calling eachother "おまえ" and using "やる". Its more like people of equal social standing, but maybe also to "inferior" things, like this sentence
犬に水をやるのを忘れないでね

Don't forget to give the dog water, ok?

 

[Toritoribe]

Random jumping in here. I looked up yaru, since I didn't knwo I meant "to give" or in the case, "to blahblah for you". It said to use it to someone inferior to you, or animals, etc?? or something...
遣る 【やる】 (v5r,vt) (1) (uk) (col) to do; (2) (often 犯る) to have sexual intercourse; (3) (often 殺る) to kill; (4) to give (to inferiors, animals, etc.); (aux-v) (5) to do for (inferiors); (6) (See 使いにやる) to send (e.g. somebody somewhere); to dispatch (e.g. letter) (despatch); (7) to move (something to); to row (a boat); (8) (used in place of other verb) to have (eat, drink, smoke); to study; to run or operate (a restaurant); (P) [V][Ex][G][GI][S ][A]
Yeah, so is that true?[/S]

The usege (4) "to feed (animals)" is the verb, whereas (5) "to do something (for someone)" is the auxiliary verb.
e.g.
猫に餌をやった。
I fed the cat.

妹に花を買ってやった。
I bought the flowers for my sister.

While the latter is basically used for "inferiors," "guys" often use it as a more friendly way of saying ～てあげる, like as undrentide-san and Luke-san's explanation above.:

 

[LukeSettle]

Oh yeaaah, that example I gave was the other usage.
I gotta get used to tacking all these -iku/oku/kuru/yaru things on the end of sentences :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[LukeSettle]

Sorry for the double post!

I have a question, i saw this on a japanese website, i am not getting this or is it totally incorrect?

"It's that simple. This means that if you for instance ask a question like "what is that over there?", you cannot use 窶堙? you are the only one that knows what you may be talking about. "

Wouldnt you use "窶堙? to establish the subject/topic/we?

"Similarly, if you say "I saw a movie today", nobody knows you did until after you say it, so it cannot be a topic yet, so you cannot use 窶堙?"

What?, this is making me way confused ahahahaa...

 

[Ashikaga]

Sorry for the double post!
I have a question, i saw this on a japanese website, i am not getting this or is it totally incorrect?
"It's that simple. This means that if you for instance ask a question like "what is that over there?", you cannot use は: you are the only one that knows what you may be talking about. "
Wouldnt you use "は" to establish the subject/topic/we?
"Similarly, if you say "I saw a movie today", nobody knows you did until after you say it, so it cannot be a topic yet, so you cannot use は."
What?, this is making me way confused ahahahaa...

It is hard to say without any examples in Japanese... but the first part sounds wrong. "What is that over there" is 「あれは何ですか」. Does the site give you any examples where the use of は is inappropriate?

 

[Toritoribe]

Sorry for the double post!
I have a question, i saw this on a japanese website, i am not getting this or is it totally incorrect?
"It's that simple. This means that if you for instance ask a question like "what is that over there?", you cannot use は: you are the only one that knows what you may be talking about. "
Wouldnt you use "は" to establish the subject/topic/we?
"Similarly, if you say "I saw a movie today", nobody knows you did until after you say it, so it cannot be a topic yet, so you cannot use は."
What?, this is making me way confused ahahahaa...

Probably the source is here, the chapter "confusing が and は."
That seems incorrect, as ASHIKAGA wrote, or at least too much rough. When the speaker says あれは何ですか/今日は映画を見ました, あれ/今日 becomes the topic. Thus, you can use は whether or not the listener(s) knows what you will talk about.

 

[Robert0203]

First of all hello everyone, as I am new on this forum
I am looking for the translation to Japanese of the following sentences:
"There's a price to be paid for dreaming"
and
"Die to live"
I would really appreciate, if someone could help me with this. Thank you very much in advance..
regards, Robert

 

[FinancialWar]

夢をするのは値段がある？ 生きために死ぬ？

i dont think mine will make any sense. are you getting a tattoo?

 

[Robert0203]

Well, as probably everyone who wants some phrase to be translated into Japanese here on this forum, I do, yes
These phrases have a certain meaning to me, getting them in Japanese also has it's reason (there's something else besides the fact, that not everyone can read what's written - what I definitely don't want for this kind of tattoo).
I am trying to get the translation from different sources. As I personally don't speak any Japanese, I therefore can not judge, which translation is OK, which not. Can maybe somebody else give his opinion to the above? What exactly do the sentences translated into Japanese mean?
And, Warakawa, thanks for your effort
BR, Robert

 

[Robert0203]

Maybe just one more thing... I am thinking about the phrase "Die to live". Maybe it's better said "Die to be alive". In original it is in German ("Sterben um zu leben"), so I still have to figure out the best translation to English... :S Any ideas how to get this to Japanese correctly?

 

[LukeSettle]

Probably the source is here, the chapter "confusing が and は."
That seems incorrct, as ASHIKAGA wrote, or at least too much rough. When the speaker says あれは何ですか/今日は映画を見ました, あれ/今日 becomes the topic. Thus, you can use は whether or not the listner(s) knows what you will talk about.

Yeah that's the site. I don't think that's right anyways, I'll just steer clear of that website.

One more question (also from that website! Sorry):
兄さんと銀行に行った。
He says you can use this to say
I did ____ with _____.
I thought you always thought you had to use 一緒に？
ありがとう！～

 

[harumi]

hi, Robert-san

"There's a price to be paid for dreaming"
夢の為に支払うべき値段がある(direct translation)
夢の代価(commonly said phrase, "price for dream")

"Die to be alive"
生き抜くために死ぬ？
Sorry, Im not really sure exact meaning of this...

 

[Robert0203]

Hi,
Thanks for your help, Harumi! 夢の代価... Hmm, in what context is that phrase usually used in Japanese (as you wrote that it is often used)?
Die to be alive.. That should mean like that sometimes somethings must die in order for you to survive (no, I am not a professional killer by occupation ). Any Japanese sayings, that would come close to this?

 

[harumi]

夢の代価/代償(price for dream) is used like this

彼は夢の代償として、恋人失った。
In this situation, he lost his girl friend because he put every thing into the efforts to make his dream become true and didn't take any care of her.

I think this is used often. I can also hear this phrase sometimes for song's name, book's title as well.

I dont have time for "Die to be alive" now. Let me reply later

And if those phrases mean a lot to you, I recommend you to try to find your way to express this. Only you know what exactly you want to say and it would be more meaningful. This is my personal idea

have a nice day!

 

[Robert0203]

Well, I absolutely agree with you. Just, I definitely want it to be in a language, which practically nobody in the places where I am, would understand. All the languages I speak, are unfortunately quite common, in order to learn f.e. Japanese good enough to be able to make up my own translation, it would just take way too much time
There's also another reason, why I choose Japanese, but that's not so important right now, I guess... And it's definitely hard to figure out something (like a symbol, sign etc.), that would represent what these words mean (to me). Therefore I am still searching for the best possible translation.
...and hope I will get it, with some help

There's a price to be paid for dreaming although seems difficult to be explained completely. It's not meant (in my interpretation of course) to be understood in the way you wrote. Even though it may on the other hand also mean that.. Man, it's hard to discuss a language, that you don't have a clue about... It's gonna be quite tough to get this done as I want to

 

[Toritoribe]

One more question (also from that website! Sorry):
兄さんと銀行に行った。
He says you can use this to say
I did ____ with _____.
I thought you always thought you had to use 一緒に？

You don't need always to use 一緒に. The particle と itself implies the meaning "with" in that sentence. However, there are some cases that the meaning is changed depending on whether or not using 一緒に.

兄さんとけんかした。
兄さんと一緒にけんかした。

The former means "I fought against my brother," whereas the latter can mean "my brother and I fought against (someone.)" Some verbs, 会う, 話す, 結婚する, 約束する, etc., take the particle と as the direct object marker, that's the case you need to pay attention. ;-)

 

[LukeSettle]

You don't need always to use 一緒に. The particle と itself implies the meaning "with" in that sentence. However, there are some cases that the meaning is changed depending on whether or not using 一緒に.
兄さんとけんかした。
兄さんと一緒にけんかした。
The former means "I fought against my brother," whereas the latter can mean "my brother and I fought against (someone.)" Some verbs, 会う, 話す, 結婚する, 約束する, etc., take the particle と as the direct object marker, that's the case you need to pay attention. ;-)

Ohhh i see

Like: 昨日、山田さんと話しました。 ？
Ｈｏｗ ｄｏｅｓ 約束 ｗｏｒｋ？
「＿＿＿＿」と約束した。 ？


Also:

皆が帰った後悪いが見させてもらった。
After everyone returned home, It was bad, but i received the thing of being forced/allowed to see it?
The translation is: After everyone left i took a look (They're talking about the notebook he left at school.)

亜豆美保（あずきみほ）いいよな。大人しいから目立ったないけど、この学校じゃダントツだ。
Ｗｈａｔ ｉｓ ｔｈｅ じゃ ｄｏｉｎｇ？

これは必ず取りに戻って来ると思った。で、おまえを待ってた。
おまえを持ってた Ｔｈｉｓ ｌｏｏｋｓ ｏｄｄ ｔｏ ｍｅ

Thanks! (I should probably be paying you guys for all the help! x) )

 

[Toritoribe]

In addition to my previous post, the order of the words also changes the meaning of the sentence.

僕は兄さんと銀行に行った。
兄さんと僕は銀行に行った。
(Roughly, the first と is for "with," the second と for "and.")

While the former is same as the one without 僕は, the latter can be used as "they went to the bank separately."
一緒に removes this ambiguity.

僕は兄さんと一緒に銀行に行った。
兄さんと僕は一緒に銀行に行った。

The both sentences are the same, "my brother and I went to the bank together."

Like: 昨日、山田さんと話しました。 ？

Ｈｏｗ ｄｏｅｓ 約束 ｗｏｒｋ？
「＿＿＿＿」と約束した。 ？

また会おうと山田さんと約束しました。
I promised Mr.Yamada to meet again.
(The first と is the particle for the quotation.)

As you can see, the verbs 会う, 話す, 結婚する, 約束する require the person to do the action with. In the case of that the particle に is used instead of と, it suggests the action is unilateral.

彼女は犬に話した。
彼女は犬と話した。

The former means she talked to the dog unilaterally, whereas the latter does she and the dog talked each other, thus, she was able to understand the dog's words.

皆が帰った後悪いが見させてもらった。
After everyone returned home, It was bad, but i received the thing of being forced/allowed to see it?

～させてもらう is the humble expression of する, that is, 見させてもらった means 見た with connoting "I'm sorry but" in that sentence.

亜豆美保（あずきみほ）いいよな。大人しいから目立ったないけど、この学校じゃダントツだ。
Ｗｈａｔ ｉｓ ｔｈｅ じゃ ｄｏｉｎｇ？

The contraction of では. この学校の中では

これは必ず取りに戻って来ると思った。で、おまえを待ってた。
おまえを持ってた Ｔｈｉｓ ｌｏｏｋｓ ｏｄｄ ｔｏ ｍｅ

No, that's quite natural.

お前を待って(い)た。: I've been waiting for you. (te-form + いる: to continue the action/keep the state)

I hope this long reply not to confuse you.

 

[LukeSettle]

In addition to my previous post, the order of the words also changes the meaning of the sentence.
僕は兄さんと銀行に行った。
兄さんと僕は銀行に行った。
(Roughly, the first と is for "with," the second と for "and.")
While the former is same as the one without 僕は, the latter can be used as "they went to the bank separately."
一緒に removes this ambiguity.
僕は兄さんと一緒に銀行に行った。
兄さんと僕は一緒に銀行に行った。
The both sentences are the same, "my brother and I went to the bank together."

また会おうと山田さんと約束しました。
I promised Mr.Yamada to meet again.
(The first と is the particle for the quotation.)
As you can see, the verbs 会う, 話す, 結婚する, 約束する require the person to do the action with. In the case of that the particle に is used instead of と, it suggests the action is unilateral.
彼女は犬に話した。
彼女は犬と話した。
The former means she talked to the dog unilaterally, whereas the latter does she and the dog talked each other, thus, she was able to understand the dog's words.

わかった！

～させてもらう is the humble expression of する, that is, 見させてもらった means 見た with connoting "I'm sorry but" in that sentence.
The contraction of では. この学校の中では

So i could say
悪いが食べさせてもらった。
to mean "Im sorry but i ate (it)"？

No, that's quite natural.
お前を待って(い)た。: I've been waiting for you. (te-form + いる: to continue the action/keep the state)
I hope this long reply not to confuse you.

Oh no i totally got the てた Ａｓ ていた The part that didnt make sense to me was the お前を. Its sounds like "I've been waiting you"

It was probably just a typo but it would be
I hope this long reply doesn't to confuse you

Thanks so much Toritoribe-sensei!

 

[harumi]

Robert-san

I didn't mean your way is wrong, If you felt I meant so, sorry! I was just worried if my translation is far off from what you mean. You can keep looking for other ideas and find good one eventually

Ok, "sometimes somethings must die in order for you to survive "
I would say "生きるための犠牲". I think this phrase is also often used.

I hope it helps(^^)

 

[Robert0203]

Well, I just want to find the right words, that's all...
So, maybe some other opinions about 生き抜くために死ぬ. Does this mean, what it should?
Thanks!

 

[Toritoribe]

Ooops, my bad! It should be "I hope this long reply does not confuse you.":emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

So I could say
悪いが食べさせてもらった。
to mean "I'm sorry but I ate (it)"？

Yes.

Oh no I totally got the てた Ａｓ ていた The part that didnt make sense to me was the お前を. Its sounds like "I've been waiting you"

Ah, I see. But that sentence is totally correct. Someoneを待つ is same as someoneが来るのを待つ "to wait for someone to come." This expression is commonly used.

バスを待つ ＝ バスが来るのを待つ
雨を待つ ＝ 雨が降るのを待つ