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[Ryan-]

「値段」と「価格」の違いは何ですか？
Apparently polite forms are useful for making 15 character minimum posts. :

 

[Toritoribe]

「値段」と「価格」の違いは何ですか？

意味的にはほとんど同じですが、価格のほうがformalで書き言葉的ですね。

 

[Elizabeth]

この三年来 could be acceptable, but ～来(e.g. 昨年来, 先月来, 昨日来, etc.) basically means "since then till now" as same as 以来.

以来=来 ?? しっかり発音しない人もいますからね。

 

[Toritoribe]

以来=来 ?? しっかり発音しない人もいますからね。:emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Uh, no, the expression ～来 officially exists. It's mainly used in written words, though.

2［接尾］時などを表す語に付いて、その時から現在 まで続いている意を表す。以来。このかた。「数日―」「昨年―」「一別―」

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(2)時などを表す名詞の下に付いて、その時から今まで 、それ以来、の意を表す。
「昨年―の懸案」「先週―、気分がすぐれない」

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[FinancialWar]

以来=来 ?? しっかり発音しない人もいますからね。

もう一つ

三年前から、（今まで） 日本語勉強することない。

 

[FinancialWar]

そんなことをするくらいなら死んだ方がましだ。

あんな男の下で働くくらいなら乞食になった方がましだ。

Can someone please explain to me the structure and meaning of 方がましだ. is it a verb?

 

[Elizabeth]

Uh, no, the expression ～来 officially exists. It's mainly used in written words, though.

Ooooh, you're right, of course ! I've only been away too long. But I don't feel as crazy after asking a Japanese friend this morning and he didn't remember either. :emoji_blush:

 

[Toritoribe]

もう一つ
三年前から、（今まで） 日本語勉強することない。

Whmmm, 3年前から日本語を勉強していない might be grammatically correct, but sounds odd to me. 3年間 is far more common.

そんなことをするくらいなら死んだ方がましだ。
あんな男の下で働くくらいなら乞食になった方がましだ。
can someone please explain to me the structure and meaning of 方がましだ. is it a verb?

まし is the na-adjective to mean "better." That's similar to いい, but often connotes a nuance "unsatisfactory but better" or "less unsatisfactory."

 

[Elizabeth]

Whmmm, 3年前から日本語を勉強していない might be grammatically correct, but sounds odd to me. 3年間 is far more common.

日本語を勉強して以来3年たちました。 (3年が経過した。...)
この前日本語を勉強してから3年になります。

文法的には正しいと思います。??


(今月の末で) 3年間日本語を勉強していないことになります。IF you're counting the time down of having not studied...

 

[Toritoribe]

日本語を勉強して以来3年たちました。 (3年が経過した。...)
この前日本語を勉強してから3年になります。
文法的には正しいと思います。??

The both sentenses just say "I studied Japanese three years ago," so do not express what the speaker did since then. Especially, the first one could be interpreted as "I've been studying Japanese for the past three years."
最後に would be needed.

最後に日本語を勉強してから3年たちました/になります。


以来 would be basically used in the structure "～以来…しています/していません."
三年前に日本語を勉強して以来、ずっとやっていません。

 

[Elizabeth]

The both sentenses just say "I studied Japanese three years ago," so do not express what the speaker did since then. Especially, the first one could be interpreted as "I've been studying Japanese for the past three years."
最後に would be needed.
最後に日本語を勉強してから3年たちました/になります。

oh, OK. Thanks ! Common English is almost always interchangable in basic meaning with "It's been 3 years since I studied Japanese," "It's been 3 years since I last studied Japanese" and "I haven't studied Japanese for 3 years." It's only the nuance of each that becomes increasingly negative.


Although I would have probably made it more obvious, something like this, to clarifty 3 years since his start in the language : 日本語を勉強し始めてから3年たちました/になります。

 

[Jericho Desu]

For "my ordinary day would be..." do I say watashi no futsuu no hi or futsuu no nichi?

Thanks

 

[FinancialWar]

For "my ordinary day would be..." do I say watashi no futsuu no hi or futsuu no nichi?
Thanks

私日常は？
私の日常生活は？

 

[Elizabeth]

Just a quick word on this quote of 小泉 and specifically which あきれる he is talking about.
呆れる; 惘れる, right？ My interpretation is "I just have to laugh. I am just totally astonished/appalled/disgusted/dumbfounded/shocked" etc (Anything -- just not a weak AMAZEMENT)

Because what is 飽きれる anyway ? Although he certainly appeared resigned and fed up, so possibly it is my humble misunderstanding-out of igorance or confusion...


「怒るというより笑ってしまうくらい、ただただあきれる」


自民党の小泉元総理大臣は、１２日開かれた郵政民営化の推進を訴える議員グループの会合に出席し、麻生総理大臣の一連の発言について「怒るというより笑ってしまうくらい、ただただあきれる」などと述べ、厳しく批判しました。

 

[Elizabeth]

For "my ordinary day would be..." do I say watashi no futsuu no hi or futsuu no nichi?
Thanks

"Futsuu no hi" is fine. Normally w/out "mine," or "watashi," though. What did you want to use this for ?

 

[Elizabeth]

「値段」と「価格」の違いは何ですか？
Apparently polite forms are useful for making 15 character minimum posts.

価格 I think also sometimes gets closer to the underlying value （あいたい） or appraised worth of a commodity, whereas 値段 refers to simply retail/market price, cost to consumer etc. Maybe that is where part of the 'formal' comes from.

 

[Toritoribe]

My interpretation is "I just have to laugh. I am just totally astonished/appalled/disgusted/dumbfounded/shocked" etc (Anything -- just not a weak AMAZEMENT)
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「怒るというより笑ってしまうくらい、ただただあきれる」

How about this?

"I more am just totally shocked almost laughingly than get angly."

価格 I think also sometimes gets closer to the underlying value （あいたい） or appraised worth of a commodity, whereas 値段 refers to simply retail/market price, cost to consumer etc. Maybe that is where part of the 'formal' comes from.

Whmmm, I think 値段 would be rather used for "value" or 価値, as in ものの値段を知らない. 価格 is basically used only for "price." Or, did you mix them up?;-)

 

[Elizabeth]

How about this?
"I more am just totally shocked almost laughingly than get angly."
Whmmm, I think 値段 would be rather used for "value" or 価値, as in ものの値段を知らない. 価格 is basically used only for "price." Or, did you mix them up?;-)

Oh, man ! Business is boring ! I'll never be a mogul, now !

鑑定価格 (appraised value?)
実際価格 (cash value -- like paying out an insurance policy)

ほとんど同じだね。

 

[FinancialWar]

代って取り付けられています。

Does this mean change and replace?

 

[Elizabeth]

代って取り付けられています。

does this mean change and replace?

One piece of equipment being installed or attached in place of another, maybe ?


Do you have the first part ?

 

[Jericho Desu]

"Futsuu no hi" is fine. Normally w/out "mine," or "watashi," though. What did you want to use this for ?

Sorry I didn't get back sooner. Basically I was giving an account of what one of my ordinary days would consist of, so I was going for like "In an ordinary day, I would get up around 8am, eat Bran Flakes etc..."

Thanks for answering

 

[Elizabeth]

Sorry I didn't get back sooner. Basically I was giving an account of what one of my ordinary days would consist of, so I was going for like "In an ordinary day, I would get up around 8am, eat Bran Flakes etc..."
Thanks for answering

Hey, no problem. Bring that sentence back when you have it.

 

[Jericho Desu]

Hey, no problem. Bring that sentence back when you have it.

Sure, but my teacher has it now (was part of coursework) so I'll get it once its been marked (forgot what I wrote ^ ^;

 

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