MartyClyde
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- 29 Sep 2016
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Yes we talked about that a lot. We here going to spend Christmas together. She's never Christmas the way we celibrate it in Australia. I didn't even think it would be different. She said it's more of a romantic holiday or "dating holiday" than a family holiday over there. I told her that I would make her Christmas dinner and we could have decorations; do whole Christmas thing. I was supposed to apply for my pass port a month ago. I was delayed because I was trying to get someone who's known me for 12 months to be my Guarantor. Now I'll use anybody. She wanted to buy my plane tickets herself as soon as possible to get the best price. I messed that up a bit.Another unpleasant possibility is that she has been feeding you a lot of lies and BS all this time. I've seen her apartment building on Street View and I have trouble imagining a wealthy family with a daughter in the country's most prestigious university putting her in that building in that location. I wouldn't be surprised if the wealthy family background and attending Tokyo University are both just part of her fantasy life and exist only in her mind.
Had you recently been talking with her about wanting to come to Japan to see her?
No worries, we all think poorly under stress.
I live in Katsushika, but Mike is far better equipped linguistically and culturally to handle this problem for you than I am. If it comes to a point where he feels I could be useful in the area I'll be glad to help.
Certainly, based on your good judgement.There are developments that I am discussing with Marty privately at the moment and it is possible you could be helpful if you don't mind making a little local field trip and if Marty agrees.
I hear you Mike. I'm not leaving out any possibilities. She said her mother is a highly paid lawyer and her stepfather is some even richer businessman, but she didn't like it when I would remark as to how rich she was. She bought $AUD1,000 worth of clothes online one night; I was calling her at the same time. She sent me some pictures of he clothes she was buying and I said "how can you buy all that" she said "I'm just bored" I said "oh, I forgot your rich".I don't doubt your sincerity. I doubt her honesty and mental health.
People lie about Tokyo University so much that any mention of it is just a giant red flag for me. While the apartment she lives in isn't low-income welfare housing, it is government-subsidized semi-public housing and not consistent with where I would expect to find a wealthy person living. It is larger than what I would expect a typical university student in Tokyo living alone to be living in....at least twice as large.
Her dropping contact with you coincided with the approach of changing your online virtual relationship by having you actually come here to meet her....just as I had suspected. Too much of her story may have been too easily spotted as made-up if you saw it up close.
I fear you may have just been a character in the make-believe world she has created in her mind. I hope I'm wrong, but that is the way it looks from my perspective.
May I ask how you two met in the first place?
we met on OkCupid. She said that she was just there to have fun, nothing serious and those were my exact intentions as well. She said that she was going to quit the app just before I messaged her. She said she was sick of the stupid messages from boys saying "what's up" and "how you doing" and "hey". I was just experimenting with the app. I though it was amazing that I could talk to millions of people around the world in an instant. I never tried to hurt or mislead anyone, not that kind of fun. She said that all of her picture used to be different. She said that they were more in the theme of a "typical Japanese girl", cute etc. when I found her profile all of the picture were of her giving blankish stares into the camera. My first message was "don't look so disappointed that I'm messaging you. Geez!" she relied "Lol. I look disappointed? I thought I looked wasted. And yes a charming guy like you sending me messages make me very excited. You are so hot" I said to her "Thanks" "it's true that the wasted look is very fashionable now. Miley Cyrus looks wasted 24/7. The only mental illness that really effects the homeless is a sense of fashion." then I said "if I'm ever in Tokyo I'll come get wasted with you" she said that she actually wanted to become and exchange student in Melbourne University, I said "that's only a $70 dollar flight for me. I could come and hangout for a day?" She said "aww, it means I get a chance to meet you in real life" "awesome!". We hit it off from there and I asked if she has any other chat apps so we could stay in touch. She gave me her LINE id. We weren't boyfriend and girlfriend at first. We we were just good friends who found each other attractive. We would talk a lot still but not as much as we began to after. I really liked her and accientally called her my girlfriend in one message with out asking her out properly. I said "sorry I should have asked you if you wanted to be my girlfriend before making assumptions" "do you want to be my girlfriend?" I was so anxious before she responded. She said "be your girlfriend? I want to 'F-word' you! Of course I'll be your girlfriend". It sharply escalated, in density of communication and passion to!I don't doubt your sincerity. I doubt her honesty and mental health.
People lie about Tokyo University so much that any mention of it is just a giant red flag for me. While the apartment she lives in isn't low-income welfare housing, it is government-subsidized semi-public housing and not consistent with where I would expect to find a wealthy person living. It is larger than what I would expect a typical university student in Tokyo living alone to be living in....at least twice as large.
Her dropping contact with you coincided with the approach of changing your online virtual relationship by having you actually come here to meet her....just as I had suspected. Too much of her story may have been too easily spotted as made-up if you saw it up close.
I fear you may have just been a character in the make-believe world she has created in her mind. I hope I'm wrong, but that is the way it looks from my perspective.
May I ask how you two met in the first place?
Thank you Wonko I would really appreciate that! I was telling Mike that If she is lying to me about her address and her wealth than she could lie about anything. I would still love her. I wouldn't marry her or trust her. But I can't help but love her. She's still my favorite person even if she's pathoilogical. I have to know if she's ok.Certainly, based on your good judgement.
Is this thread for real.
At this point we don't even know if "she" is a "she."Thank you Wonko I would really appreciate that! I was telling Mike that If she is lying to me about her address and her wealth than she could lie about anything. I would still love her. I wouldn't marry her or trust her. But I can't help but love her. She's still my favorite person even if she's pathoilogical. I have to know if she's ok.
I found the pictures of the from the building that she claimed she is a resident (on the 32nd floor)! I'm amazed. Mike proved to me in our personal chat that this picture was taken from a high rise in Osaka!
I've seen pictures and a video of her naked. In it she said "Hi Marty" smiled sweetly into the camera at me, and proceeded to disrobe. She's very much a girl.At this point we don't even know if "she" is a "she."
She told me that her summer break at Tokyo University ended on 5th of September. The University of Tokyo's undergraduate academic calendar say that it ends on the on the 20th of September in 2016.
I said that she would spend every waking hour with me. I thought that was true, but she did take a lot of little "naps" that she later said were due to her "illness". She might have been manipulating other boys or girls at that time. I don't know. I hope not. I do know that she spent the vast majority of my waking hours communicating with me.
She liked to rate people's attractiveness with me. We would criticise the appearance of celebrities and give them a rating on a scale of 1-10. We played this game 3 times before. For instance to her I was a 10 when I smile and a 14 when I don't, Johnny Depp was only a 9 and Christopher Waltz was a 19! (The cool old Villan in the 007 movie Spectre). She took it further though (not just beyond 10). She showed me a picture of what she said was a long-term pen pal from way before she met me who was half French half German and living in France. I was very jealous (expecially bring him up in the context of rating attractiveness) and I was outwardly expressive of that jealousy. I tried my hardest to defame him. He was low on the scale anyway but I was shocked at his existence at the time. She said he was just a pen-pal and that she doesn't like him in that way at all. She told me that he was getting angry with her because ever since we met she hadn't replied to any of his emails. I rated him 0 and she rated him 2. I asked her not to talk with him. She said she can be friends with whoever she likes. I changed my tone at that point, I didn't want to punish her for being honest about having a pen-pan. Even a creepy looking one. So I said I was sorry.
She later told me that she told him about me in their first email in 2 months. Apparently he didn't like me either. He apparently told her how terrible Australia is and Australians are. I told her to stop all contact with him as he obviously had feelings for her. She accepted this reluctantly then told me how she only loved me, that I was right and that she would stop talking to him. She told me all about him after that. Apparently he was one of those adults who like the children's cartoon "My Little Pony" and that he was in his late 30's. I dismissed him as a weirdo and a pedo. She agreed and promised again to never contact him.
I think that her saying that she might very well die from a terrible illness was her way of saying goodbye for the first time, but she reneged on that decision. I think that she did so because she had developed strong feelings of love towards me and saying goodbye would be harder that she thought. She said that she had something much more easily treatable than leukaemia, but something that still had the same symptoms that she described herself as having.
I understand how telling me the truth would have been an incredible difficult thing to do. She started a lie, and like with any lie the bigger it got the more difficult it would be to tell the truth. If I put myself in her shoes I might have done the same thing and bailed instead of facing the truth and its consequences. I think that she would be sorry, and I think that she loves me. She's just really messed-up.
I didn't look it up at the time. I just believed her.I looked up the disease as soon as you mentioned it. It's more of a condition than a disease and not particularly horrible.
It is what it is. I can't argue with the evidence. I feel terrible about it and extremely embarrassed.Marty, I'm sorry about how things have turned out for you!
What Mike and Wonko have done in this thread is nothing short of remarkable!
I'm just came home from a bar. I couldn't stomach more that two beers.You're welcome. Most people are good, don't let this experience stop you from caring about someone in the future. You'll find someone who loves you as much as you love her.
The weak analogies I was making towards my case with reference to the concept of a sleeper cell, a documentary about a psycho confidence trickster and the stories written on the profiles of criminals on the FBI's Most Wanted list were to illustrate how confounded I am with the situation as it unfolds in my mind. I know that those are extreme examples, and she may just be a broke girl who chose a path criminality. My point it that she's remarkably good at it. At least from my point of view. I think that she's highly intelligent and made the process seem, for the most part, seamless across a sizeable timescale. She didn't just involve herself with me for 117 days, she was with me constantly, being my girlfriend. I don't think that she was a mere amateur.I'd recommend that you don't go as far in the opposite direction as you did in the first.
She's not some highly trained international spy. She's a woman living in a rather beat up low cost housing project who likely had few opportunities and chose criminality.
This does not absolve her of guilt, but it also does nor mean you should look at her or your situation as anything more than what it was. Your job in this is to learn to be more centered and realistic, not to change your hyperbole to the opposite end of the spectrum.