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Jpop VS Jrock... Split it?

What to do with the Jpop section?


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Best to do like this :
J-music

- J-rock
- j-pop
- other

Cause some people don't want pages filled with J-rock, that's why it IS better do devide into subgroups Hyde :)
 
I'll have to say I like kisaos way better...cause like everyone has repited, we'll get conused on what is rock and what is pop.... but I think changes would be good...cause I really understands the problem for the ones who don't want all the j-rock....
 
i think it can be named J-music and have two sub-forums like they said :

- J-pop
- J-Rock / VK

those in between like techno, gackt, asian kung-fu generation and other stuff can just go into j-music in general but not into the sub-forums.. anyways just a suggestion.

i still hope there's an indies section XD~
 
rock lee, rika shinya, it still doesn't solve the problems with cateorizing, posted on the previous page.
 
Hm... now this sounds really stupid, but if we split it up
Male artists
female artists
mix(or wtef)
Then at least you would know where to go looking for a specific artist. I mean you do know what sex the artist is(right...?), even if you can't decide the genre.
It sound really dumb, but it's not really THAT bad of an idea...
 
lollipopz said:
i dunt see what the problem is at the moment. diru are in here and they are deffo jrock. next we'll be haffing a visual kei forum and then everyone will be even more confused....

If you would have read the first post, and the rest of all the post, then you would see the problem!
 
Dollporn - actually, that idea had occurred to me as well! :giggle: But in the end, I decided, the problems still remain with that way too. :unsure:
The main issue that is difficult, is that there are so many 'individual artists/bands'.

I was thinking. (It occasionally happens, y'know?!) The reason for this discussion in the first place was because it seems rock is the 'majority category' under discussion in this section of the forum. And people who's preferred music isn't 'rock' but instead is 'pop' or some other genre, feel irritated that the threads they like, get quickly buried and not much attention.

But I have to say, there has to be a logical way of dividing it. And, OK, so a lot of the threads coming to the top under 'individual artists' would probably be 'rock' (to use the classification loosely). But in all fairness, it's a publicly available forum and people are going to talk about what they want to, and the threads at the top are going to be the ones with most interest. While the majority of people here are interested in rock music, those threads are going to be the 'dominant' ones and there's not a lot anyone can do about it.

If there come a lot of people on the forum who love pop music, they will talk a lot on those threads and they would become more dominant. It just depends on which way the wind blows.
 
Jpop section get the MOST post of all areas in this forum, it SHOULD have subsections...

and I know about most interest, but there a lot of people who just don't want to bother posting a thread because they know it won't get attention in this way.
 
Dutch Baka said:
Jpop section get the MOST post of all areas in this forum, it SHOULD have subsections...
You mean what is now *called* the 'j-pop' section. I was talking about j-pop the music -- rather than j-rock. I agree that the section should have subsections!

and I know about most interest, but there a lot of people who just don't want to bother posting a thread because they know it won't get attention in this way.
I know, and I do think it's a shame when people make threads and don't get many responses. I try to respond to all threads, even if I don't know much about the subject, just to express and interest and introduce to myself some new musics! :p And I can only say, people, please do post threads if you want to, because there can be no interest if the thread isn't existing! :(
It happens with rock music though, too... I've started threads for bands, that don't get much interest, if no one knows much about them or just aren't big fans of them. The fact remains, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink....
 
Since I personally like J-Pop (Morning Musume is my guilty pleasure) just as much as J-Rock, it personally doesn't bother me none that its all lumped together. But I do think that some type of separation is needed, because mostly on the J-Pop topics, they get maybe 1-2 pages at most and are forgotten, while most of the J-Rock topics get more attention. Which can be frustated to the J-Pop fans.
 
There has to be a change, that's what is sure.Let me brainstorm a bit, and see if a good idea pops up :p
 
RockLee said:
Best to do like this :
J-music
- J-rock
- j-pop
- other
Cause some people don't want pages filled with J-rock, that's why it IS better do devide into subgroups Hyde :)

Yeah it should be like that, with the overall title being 'J-music forum' I think. :)
 
That would be super awesome to split it,and I've actually probably only ever seen two J-pop threads on the front page,ever.
So,it would make sense.
:)
 
J-music
1.Jpop
2.Jrock
3.Miscl


I know it is not easy to decided what is Rock and what Is pop. but when people are starting a band they categorize themselves and they get an overall category. so how about we make a big list of bands, solo artist, and everyone can give their opinion about is it rock or pop.. when you have a band and when 8 out of 10 people say that it is rock, it will be categorized as rock.

So yeah Kinsao if you want to give me a try, I could make a list and start a thread about what people would categorize the band, let it open for 2 weeks, and see what's coming out!

Later on we could put this complete list in a sticky, so that everyone know where to find his or her artist/group.
 
I think that could work, yes! :)

I have to admit that I would like, though, to see sections that deal with 'general music discussions' and 'trivia/fun stuff' as separate from threads dealing with specific artists. If only for the purpose of keeping the forum 'tidier', and again, making it more difficult for threads to get 'lost'. It would also help keep at least some of the picture-heavy threads (e.g 'prettiest j-rocker' etc.) slightly to one side; I know these threads can be annoying to people with a slower internet connection.

I was wondering if it might be possible to divide as in the way I suggested originally, and yet also sub-divide 'individual artists' into 'rock', 'pop' and 'other'. I've suggested it to the admins and mods; whether they think it warrents so many divisions within this section remains to be seen, but it just struck me as a tidy, more 'user-friendly' way of organising the board. It seems to me that it would make it easier to navigate and would be more welcoming to newcomers. What do you think? :p
 
good idea! :)
but too make things slightlly easier i made this:
j pop =

- music of general appeal to teenagers; a bland watered-down version of rock'n'roll with more rhythm and harmony and an emphasis on romantic love

- J-pop - Wikipedia

J-rock=

-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-Rock

- think loud guitars, weird lyrics.... 👍


i think everyone knows what j-pop is, its anime like kinda music...

(kinda) anyways it seems hard for some people to split groups up in either
j-pop or jrock so i hope the above helps a bit...
example.... gackt is jrock. why? --> cause most of his music/albums are jrock..
so just put a band into a section when having looked at the overall of the music the make :)


for more examples of what is jrock or jpop have a look at the links posted
above.
 
OR just make a band/artist list of jrock and jpop stars?...o_O

Jrock/crock/krock -

12012


AnCafe

Alice Nine


Asian Kung-Fu Generation

Back Horn


BLOOD

D

DAIGO STARDUST

DEAD POP STARS

DeathGAZE

D'espairsRay

Dir en grey

Dragon Ash

Duel Jewel

FAKE?

Flow

Gackt

Gazette

hide (Hideto Matsumoto)

Hyde

Imitation PoPs Uchuu Sentai NOIZ

Janne Da Arc

Kagerou

Kagrra

Klaha

Közi

Kuroyume

Kyo

Laputa

L'Arc~en~Ciel

LAREINE

Lolita23q

Luna Sea

Luvie

MALICE MIZER

MASK

Merry

Miyavi -?-

Moi dix Mois

Mongol 800

Mr.Children

MUCC

Nightmare

Orange Range

Ozaki Yutaka

Panic Channel

PENICILLIN

Pierrot

The Pillows

Psycho le Cemu

Rentrer en Soi

SAVER TIGER


Schwein

Shaka Labbits

Silver Ash

Spread Beaver

Sons of all Pussys

Tetsu69

The TRAX

Vidoll

X-Japan

Zilch.

Jpop/and so on -

W-inds

Utada Hikaru

Dong Bang Shin Ki

Gackt

Ayumi Hamasaki

YUI

Kinki kids.

Techno -
Blam Honey

Schwarz Stein

HORA.

:)
 
lol, sorry, i tryed my best. :) Do you mean as in who am I to say which is jrock or jpop? I'm just using my own extincts lol. Like I would catagorise Gackt more as pop/acoustic player, rather than a rock star as he has few rock songs. Jrock is abit....mixed. O_O like Malice Mizer had techno, pop, rock and classical. Not ALL of the Trax's songs are rock. etc etc etc....:?
 
advigilo said:
good idea! :)
but too make things slightlly easier i made this:
j pop =
- music of general appeal to teenagers; a bland watered-down version of rock'n'roll with more rhythm and harmony and an emphasis on romantic love
- J-pop - Wikipedia

If we want to define something, we have to keep in mind to keep a sense of neutrality. Words like "bland" and "watered down version of rock and roll" are very clear and obvious indicators of bias. Also, if one looks at the age range of J-Rock fans, one would see that it's also made up of mostly teenagers, so age range of the fanbase is not an exclusive feature of either genre.

So let's try to keep the subjective generalizations to a minimum.
Weasel word - Wikipedia


Anyway, I do agree with Gackt being more conventionally classed as JRock, though. Any quick perusal of his albums would find that they are typically more rockish, and only his "novelty" albums (Seventh Night, Love Letter), as well as some of his A-Sides, are really pop. I read a theory that said that his name means something along the lines of "god of rock" or something, but, as virtually every fan has used his name with a "god" thrown in somewhere, it was virtually impossible for me to verify this theory.

....


I have to admit that I would like, though, to see sections that deal with 'general music discussions' and 'trivia/fun stuff' as separate from threads dealing with specific artists. If only for the purpose of keeping the forum 'tidier', and again, making it more difficult for threads to get 'lost'. It would also help keep at least some of the picture-heavy threads (e.g 'prettiest j-rocker' etc.) slightly to one side; I know these threads can be annoying to people with a slower internet connection.

I was wondering if it might be possible to divide as in the way I suggested originally, and yet also sub-divide 'individual artists' into 'rock', 'pop' and 'other'. I've suggested it to the admins and mods; whether they think it warrents so many divisions within this section remains to be seen, but it just struck me as a tidy, more 'user-friendly' way of organising the board. It seems to me that it would make it easier to navigate and would be more welcoming to newcomers. What do you think?

It's a good idea. I find that there has been waaay too many "most beautiful jrocker" threads for some reason. Not only that, but they tend to get a bit of attention in the subforum. They stay on the first page like they're stickies. So a way to separate these trifling discussions from the rest would be VERY beneficial.

I do anticipate, though, not only confusion between rock and pop as we have now, but also pop and other, and rock and other, if we make those three sub(-sub?-)-sections. Perhaps we could have one specific sub-sub-section for rock, and let the rest of the J-Music be in the general-individual bands/artists sub-section? I was thinking it this way more from the proportional post count of rock-related threads. We definitely get more rock threads than anything else. People wouldn't have to choose between pop and rock, but they would just have the option of putting a thread into a rock section, rather than a more generalized section. It would seem fairer to give them that option instead of making them choose, in light of the confusion we ourselves are having. And if we leave the decision up to the thread starters, then maybe that'd be fine, too. J-Rock fans are generally proud to be J-Rock fans, so they probably wouldn't mind.

One problem of this approach, of course, is if J-Rock bands incorporate more than one style in their music that doesn't stay in the rock genre, but I think the general direction of a band isn't so haphazardly disoriented. Another problem is that I assumed that J-Rock fans are proud to be j-rock fans, and hence would logically like a special designated section. Instinctivelly it makes sense, but logically the assumption seems incomplete (ie- what if the fan is proud of the multi-stylistic approach of a rock band). Another potential problem is harder to judge at present: if the jpop threads would then begin to overrun things in the general artists subsection, diverting attention away from bands neither pop nor rock. I don't know the extent of this possibility, because I haven't seen it occurring, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. So this is only one possible suggestion. I can try to brainstorm another suggestion if this doesn't work. Unfortunately, I'm a bit pressed for time right now, so I can't put as much thinking into it as I'd like.


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In the end, I hope what our efforts do is to make the J-Music subforum more inviting to our other members-especially the other members. I noticed some not-J-Music-regulars people voted for the thread, and I know that there are other regular members who listen to Japanese music, and I wish they could get a chance to participate here without the fear of getting overwhelmed.

I for my part can't wait for some new divisions. I don't even bother with threads because I know, for a fact, that any non-jrock/non-trivia post will get pushed to page 2 in a day or so.
 
That's a good idea, Lastmagi (rock and non-rock). Thank you very much for putting so much thought into it! :)

I too had been thinking about bands which are kind of loosely 'rock' in the sense that they aren't 'pop', but which have a multi-stylistic approach or are not strictly 'rock'. Most metal or metal-ish bands sit reasonably comfortably under the 'rock' umbrella, but then you have stuff like Malice Mizer (can you call Bara no Seidou album 'rock'?) and also gothic bands where it's very difficult to know 'rock... or not?' :mad: Then there is stuff like Schwarz Stein and Velvet Eden, which is quite clearly not either rock or pop. And where goes stuff like Lynch et al?

Ah, it does my head in... :mad:

Anyway, like I said I think Lastmagi's idea is a good one..... :p............ maybe we could then have 4 sub-divisions?
1. Individual artists - rock
2. Individual artists - non-rock
3. General music discussion
4. Fun stuff/trivia

Any takers? :joyful:
 
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