Japan to teach patriotism to children

Obeika, is it possible for you to discuss this in Nihongo forum here?
Or is it possible for your kids to share their stories in the school?

I know I will be ashamed of my English to see their English, hopefully they will write them in the Nihongo forum, but I think it is a good chance for everyone here to know what is happening at a school in Okinawa now.
 
Elizabeth, thank you for that well put piece of sentiment and heart-felt instruction. I take heed.

Obeika, I'll keep my fingers crossed too, and when the next piece of information comes up, I'll post it, or, if some one posts it before me, will voice my way of seeing it, or whatever.

It's good to hear from you pipokun; thanks for sharing.

Yes, much has happened in the world...perhaps far more in the last 100 years alone--in a sense--than in the 1000 years before that. (taking into consideration knowledge growth and breath.) I think it may be good to open another thread on that matter regarding the various teaching methods or whatever, and try to leave this one more so for that law change that is to be coming up soon. MM
 
Since we were on the topic of patriotism,
I came across this "patriotic american" "test".
At first I thougt it was going to be the making of
some flag waving jingoist, but it was not.
It is more about the concept of patriotism.
I got something like 73%, 6%, 60%, 100%

The first question reads as follows:

1.Are you a citizen of the United States of America?
(If you are not and this affects your ability to answer subsequent questions, answer as you would if you *were* a citizen.)
Yes
No

http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=10603689462944369577
 
Hello there caster51 san. If you don't mind, could you elaborate on your concept here. Thanks. MM
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Japanese patriotism is the people value the society that does happily by cooperating.
that is, there is no incividual without community in japan
The patriotism of Japan is to strengthen the unity of the Japanese.
The Japanese is not competing with other countries.
That is, the enemy is not needed.
Why is Japanese's crime a little though it is increasing😌
(The crime increased because morality decreases.)

What is the mainspring of Japan?
What should Japan value?
A competing principle of global standard has a lot of evils.
This might destroy the society by other country's value ,Competition and individualism.
However, the Japanese should also go up on the same ring.
Patriotism that maintains the shape of Japan where they do not collapse is
necessary.
.
 
A teacher abondoned appealing higher court
A teacher filed a libel suit against the paper company, sankei, abondoned appealing the court ruling
http://www.iza.ne.jp/news/newsarticle/event/trial/37483/

The cause of the lawsuit was...
A teacher in Tokyo gave her students a special lesson, debate on the US base in Okinawa.
In response to a criticism from a parent saying it was too one-sided anti-US propaganda, the teacher give another paper to her students, "LOL, the mother who wants to involve in her educaiton", and "She is just arrogrant".
日本財団図書館（電子図書館） 私はこう考える【教育問題について】
After the paper criticized her, she filed a libel suit.

I want to believe not all unionized teachers are loud speakers witout ears, but this is one reason why it soulds a bit different when I meet someone claiming glossing-over-history teachers in Japan.
It was sad to hear that the kid had to transfer schools after the case.
 
Thanks for your answer and futher explanation caster51 san. While I will admit that if we were to try to go deeper into this matter, it would really need another thread, I will state for now that the idea (as far as I can understand ) which you have presented is pragmatically the same as that used by other nationalities--and is one which would ought to be obsolete in my opinion.

We humans don't need division any more. We need to relinquish to a greater level of understanding for the betterment of the future state of earth affairs. And I have publically stated before Japanese audiences (as I had mentioned before about my talks on Internationalism) my case along with the fact that I would not foresee any such thing happening in the next 500 or so years even. The progress from those who left their footprints in Africa some 1.5～3 million years ago, to us today, is, unfortunately not so great in too many ways.

Maybe we should consider a totally different thread for this. ANYWAY, thanks caster51 and pipokun, for sharing your thoughts and experiences here.
 
Maybe we should consider a totally different thread for this. ANYWAY, thanks caster51 and pipokun, for sharing your thoughts and experiences here.
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I agree, this thread has bounced around a number of different topics, however a topic such as this one lends itself to expanding to cover a number of different issues all at the same time so I wonder a bit how, with even splitting it off or starting a new thread how the same thing could be avoided from happening.

@pipokun, you said you would like me to post more information about what I was talking about in the Japanese forum right? Is there any thread that covers this topic on the Japanese forum?
 
Elizabeth said:
I don't know what to say except to remind the people that rhetoric like this, of indoctrinating a love of "beautiful Japan" by recreating a "mythical shining country on a hill" etc, were lines he used countless times during the campaign.
Along with promising to continue the visits to Yasukuni, to restore a strong and vital defense force among other Koizumi-era "reforms."
Japanese politicians, generally speaking, don't mind showing their contempt for citizens who continue to elect them without serious and due consideration. With unending scandals and corruption cases my opinion sorry to say usually isn't a lot higher. ☝
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Yes, so if I have children with my Japanese Canadian boyfriend, I guess I will be schooling them in Canada. Racism is taught in Japan, and the ﾂ集ﾅｽYﾅｽﾃ･窶ｹ`窶廬ﾂ 窶｢ﾂｶ窶ｰﾂｻ and the 窶吮?｡ﾅ?ﾃ版?O窶堙ｪthat socialzes them to practice 窶ｰﾃ補?堙 is detrimental to many of the indigo and crystal children. The beautiful crystal children's hearts will get squashed in this, and this is awful!
 
korean patriotism to children

Japanese patriotism education is .....what?

It is a patriotism education in korea more than Japan of World War II.
However, I think Patriotism like South Korea is not necessary for Japan.
 
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The key, I think, is what they will include in their next revision of the history books. They've caught enough flak about that to know better, but they don't.
 
Caster, you have to consider that education in Japan is heavily influenced by politicians who are not interesed in getting anyone to try and objectively look at issues in Japan remotely related with discrimination.ﾂ So basically teaching patriotism is just another form of teaching 'us and them'! Patriotism shouldn't have to be taught, cultural values are passed on by ones' elders, including teachers. Government propaganda on the other hand....
 
I agree with gaijinalways. Patriotism should not be taught. It should all be about personal opinion. Either you agree with the decisions of your country or you don't. You can't be taught to agree with your country and love it no matter what.
 
gaijinalways said:
Caster, you have to consider that education in Japan is heavily influenced by politicians who are not interesed in getting anyone to try and objectively look at issues in Japan remotely related with discrimination.ﾂ So basically teaching patriotism is just another form of teaching 'us and them'! Patriotism shouldn't have to be taught, cultural values are passed on by ones' elders, including teachers. Government propaganda on the other hand....
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That's a fact! It's bad enough when teachers lost their jobs because they refused to stand during the playing of the National Anthem. That is pure politics as well.

That was in my opinion the first step in "teaching" patriotism here in Japan, force fed. In that case I felt as if it was "nationalism" not "patriotism", taking away peoples livelihoods just to make a point.
 
That's true. It is just politics, but the teacher and her supporters who lost the case behave like a tragic heroin(e).
 
pipokun said:
That's true. It is just politics, but the teacher and her supporters who lost the case behave like a tragic heroin(e).
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They have to, othewise who else is going to hire them. Seriously through, I know quite a few teachers that sympathized and agreed with them but only to the point of talking about it. It's a cultural thing.
 
Who is excessively reacting about patriotism that is , "Love the country"?
Why do they deny " LOVE the country"?
A lot of people feel various ....
Because how to receive it is only a concept of becoming various..
I think it is necessary to educate "Patriotism" neatly.
To begin with, I think that to love country is not caused spontaneously.
to not understand is usual if it doesn't learn it
Holding in high esteem is not caused in it if it doesn't learn it.
....even to parents.
The existence called a country cannot be touched and seen.
It is rare to notice it in japan .
However,
if you do not know what your belonging is and where you come from, you could not understand yourself
I look for real parents if I know that, in fact, oneself was an adopted child even if you are brought up without inconvenience
if you hate where you come from and where you belong to, you would hate youself finaly.
I think that it is one of the moral(types of virtue ) that the Japanese should have it naturally
If I do not learn its moral(types ofvirtue ) , I might not be able to acquire
what is the best patriotism ?
a teacher must teach it.
if they can not , pleses quit a teacher
 
caster51 said:
korean patriotism to children

Japanese patriotism education is .....what?
It is a patriotism education in korea more than Japan of World War II.
However, I think Patriotism like South Korea is not necessary for Japan.
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... lol way to change topics, this seems a little irrelevant to me how Jimmy across the street does things if we're talking about Japan.. 😊
 
Gentleman10 said:
... lol way to change topics, this seems a little irrelevant to me how Jimmy across the street does things if we're talking about Japan.. 😊
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He's got a real good habit of doing that on any number of subjects that get people riled up. :-)

He is by far a pro-Japan Japanese person and anti-anything Japan that pop's up here he will flood contradictory links and ultra-rightist Japanese propaganda information to misdirect the conversation. He is a pro at that.

If you take some of his posts tongue in cheek you might find that some of them are rather humours in a perverted sort of way. :-)
 
Obeika said:
He's got a real good habit of doing that on any number of subjects that get people riled up. :-)
He is by far a pro-Japan Japanese person and anti-anything Japan that pop's up here he will flood contradictory links and ultra-rightist Japanese propaganda information to misdirect the conversation. He is a pro at that.
If you take some of his posts tongue in cheek you might find that some of them are rather humours in a perverted sort of way. :-)
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That may be true, but at least he's not ridiculing others about it. He's posting his opinions, I'm posting mine, and as long as we respectfully exchange ideas, cool beans.
If I were to respect anyone's opinons, it would be for someone who presents their opinions without finding a way to start personally attacking others. I'd appreciate it if you please take my advice to heart.
 
Gentleman10 said:
That may be true, but at least he's not ridiculing others about it. He's posting his opinions, I'm posting mine, and as long as we respectfully exchange ideas, cool beans.
If I were to respect anyone's opinons, it would be for someone who presents their opinions without finding a way to start personally attacking others. I'd appreciate it if you please take my advice to heart.
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Wow thanks for sharing your thoughts here, 📣 but I will be passing on your "advice". :smoke: I have my reasons for posting what I do and how I do it, it is your choice of course to read my posts or not, that's my heartfelt unsolicited advice to you.:snore:
 
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I can't help wondering how much of this "patriotism" and "beautiful Japan" is just candy coated xenophobia. It seems a little ridiculous/dangerous to be "teaching" love of ones country as part of the school curriculum, as if the subtleties of national merit would be missed if not clearly pointed out and memorised by rote. At best they can present examples of what they feel makes this country worth being proud of, and let the kids decide for themselves. But having said that, I am totally sceptical that they will do anything beyond presenting a very one sided, nationalist image, much like their presentation of whitewashed history. I for one don't believe that a right wing government is even remotely capable of anything other than propaganda and forced conformity! The right to decide whether or not to sing the national anthem without the threat of punishment extended to all citizens, which is to say, putting trust in the people to think and make their own judgements, is to me, true cause for pride. A government that feels a need to force conformity to a patriotic ideology, is not capable of even understanding what true patriotism is, let alone educating others about it.
 

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