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Japan stunned by schoolgirl's murder

i'm surprised no one's sued cartoon network over dbz yet...
 
den4 said:
Last I heard, on the news, that the girl liked to read the Battle Royale manga.
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I don't know about her choice in manga, but there was an article in yesterday's paper chronicling the thoughts & writings she'd recorded on a web site and apparently all the classic warning signs (ie two 'sides' to her personality) were there at least from early this year with a clear 'change' in behavior which two working parents didn't have sufficient time to notice....an increasingly isolated life, bullying classmates (knocking heads against the wall, progressing to the point of kicking and punching boys), quitting club activities and former interests to spend chatting, even some incident with a cutter knife in May....
 
another thing that Japan's notorious right now for is being the #1 nation leading in suicide rates
In the past, when you had the nationalistic folks running around in suicide rituals as part of their code of honor, I suppose that was one thing, but the folks committing suicide these days, or trying to, like the actor fella that "jumped?" from his "mansion" recently, all seem to have this notion that life is no longer precious. That is sad. Then there are the stupid websites that promote suicides, as if it were some kind of game that some idiot youths are taking to...
Kind of hard to imagine somebody who once loved being part of a basketball team, like the 11 year old in this thread, suddenly change towards becoming a rogue killer. Makes me wonder what caused the change, what catalyst caused her to go over the "edge."

Seems like a lot of the kids that are causing these crimes tend to be loners, drop outs, lack social contact with others (all redundant, I know), quiet, shy, good students (as far as the teachers could tell), and never had any prior run ins with the Law. Since most kids never head towards a life of crime, much less commit heinous murder, like it was a game, it'd probably be good for the police, at least, to learn what motivated her to change from being part of a team basketball group and turn towards murder...

at the same time, I guess adults are pretty much in the same boat....aside from the greed factor of many petty thieves, what causes them to do some of their mindbogglingly idiot things, too.... :?
 
It isn't much, but this is the most insight I've seen on her reasons for quitting the basketball team (from a classmate's father that Satomi (is that her name?) was forced off by her parents at the point her grades began falling.


「様子が変わったのはミニバスケ部を辞めてから」。ある児童の母親は話す。今年２月のことだ。同級生の父親は「親から成績が下がったら部を辞めさせると厳しく言われていたようだ」と言う。
 

basketball might have been her only way of releasing the pressure she felt from school and so forth. my counselor advised my parents not to keep me cooped up in the house (and prevenitng me from doing my school clubs), and of course they didn't listen...i won't tell you what the result of that was...but i know how that can feel to be forced of something you might be using to relax and it acutally worsens the situation.
i think i'm taking this whole thing a bit too personally but i'm seeing some between some stuff for her and some stuff i've begun to notice from my own tender years. *that's scary* it makes you wonder how easily any of us at the age might have sucumbed to pressures the way she did. :?
 

Still boils down to parenting...just my opinion.
 

Here's a link to the original article if anyone's interested.

http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0608/042.html
 
Avatars ?

I have just had a 20 minute talk with a Japanese acquaintance about this murder case, and she told me that all Japanese newspapers had mentioned that the girls were using avatars. I really didn't see the connection between avatars and the murder, and still don't after asking all the questions I could to see clearer into this strange relation. Apparently, the two girls were using the Internet and either chatted or used some kind of forums. The problem is that many Japanese cannot differientiate between forum and chat, so I had a hard time understanding the story, as they said "they used avatars to chat" (???). The victim would have written some slightly critical message (such as "you pretend to be a good girl"), which could have provoked the murderous reaction from the other girl (still hard to believe that was the only reason).

Anyway, I asked many times what was the connection between the "avatar" and the crime, but there didn't seem to be any. I am really wondering why Japanese newspapers are explaining so much about avatars if there is no connection to the case. But it seems that they just made a huge offtopic to explain to old people what an avatar is. It's a bit like starting to explain about holy cows when talking about the "Japan vs India" football game. No direct relation to it. That could happen to one newspaper, but apparently most of them (and TV channels ?) talked about that. Could anybody explain that to me ?

I hope it's not just that Japanese journalists are confusing the words "avatar", "chat" and "forum", and making fools of themselves.
 
That's very strange, to say the least, Maciamo.

I guess you all have heard about 'Nevada-tan'? Scroll down the page to June 6.
 
Well, Asahi at least is using chat explicitly in a somewhat global reference to her postings on a home page (?) in the article I cited earlier.


パソコンが得意で、女児とは「チャット」と呼ばれるＨＰ上の会話や掲示板を楽しんでいた。

女児は県警に「怜美さんから自分の掲示板に『ぶりっこ』などと書かれたのが嫌だった。ＨＰ上で怜美さんにやめてほしいと書いたが、やめてくれなかった」と話している。５月下旬のことだったという。

その後、女児は怜美さんが作ったＨＰ上のキャラクターを消すなどしたらしい。事件の２日前、怜美さんはＨＰに書き込んだ。「ドーセアノ人がやってるんだろう。アノ人もこりないねぇ」

そして６月１日、カッターナイフが惨劇を引き起こした。

両親は女児の変化に気付かなかったのか。「２人とも仕事を持っていて、『子供と接する機会が足りなかったのだろう』と言っている」。女児の付添人の弁護士は４日、記者会見で説明した。 (06/08 23:48)
 

Exactly what I suspected. Japanese have no idea about the Internet.

That sentence translates :

The girl was good at computers and "played" on forums or conversation on homepages called "chat".

That doesn't make any sense and shows the sheer ignorance of the writer about things related to the internet, as well as the misuses of the words "chat" and "HP" (homepage) in Japanese.

First of all, "forum" and "chat" are two clearly different things.

Secondly, "homepage" does not mean "website". I don't know why Japanese insist on using the word "HP" instead of "ウェッブサイト" (uebbusaito). A homepage is either the main index of a website (so never the chat or forum part), or it could be used to refer to a personal website with info about the author (pics, hobbies, diary...).

No wonder I couldnt understand at all what my Japanese friend told me about "using avatars to chat on a homepage", when she probably meant "using avatars to discuss on a forum".

But I guess the word "avatar" has also been abused by Japanese. I know several of them for whom avatar only refers to the "Yahoo Japan Avatars", which are more like a game in which users buy clothes, pets and accesories for their "avatar". It could also be that Japanese use "avatar" in the meaning of "nickname" or "user name" on forums and chat (but what do they call the picture then ?). I still haven't eluded the mystery of these weird Japanese English usages, and it certainly irritates me.
 
dreamer said:
Hum...sad indeed...
Either she's from a ninja family or she really hated her classmate (you know: bullying, menacing to tell a secret...). Kids sometimes don't have much self control...
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Real Bout High School...in Real Life!
 
I was in a chat with some Japanese guy before too about "homepage" also. It was a bit funny. He asked me in Japanese what was my homepage. First, I took it as the definition of "a personal website." So I said (in English) I used to have one, but not anymore. I don't think he understood me and asked me again in a different way, so the way he said it, I'm now thinking he's talking about the opening page, such as when you run a browser. So I now said Yahoo. He then said, "Yahoo?" I was unsure if he was surprised or just repeating what I said. Then I said that "Of course, I didn't make Yahoo" thinking he might have thought that may have been my personal website. I just dropped that convo already without knowing what he really wanted to know...
 
The Chunichi Shimbun on Sunday 13th June was commenting on the change in the "avatar" (whatever it is ) the girl was using to represent herself. The points they focused on were that the background to her "avatar" was always night, indicating a negative outlook, and the fact that she changed her avatar about a week before the incident from a cute girl to a weird "pumpkin-head" person. The psychologist analyzing this took this to indicate a major personality shift at this point.

Perhaps it is all guesswork, but it is an interesting analysis.
 
Too bad the girl apparently deleted all incriminating exchanges in the last week before the incident between herself and the victim from her (or whoevers) home page bulletin board.
 
can't they get a warrant or whatever they use in Japan to confiscate and search the computer and do a hard disk reclaim to search for the deleted info? They do that all the time in corporate offices and investigations here....in the US.... :?
I know that in some areas Japan is behind the US in the IT field, but surely not all of their police are idiots the media makes them out to be :?
 
Yesterday's Chunichi Shinbun was quoting her posts from May 31st, so that data must still be extant somewhere.
 
http://www.asahi.com/special/sasebo/OSK200406100049.html

Does （原文のまま） refer to original text here ? Apparently some of the other HP contents have not been verified, however, and the police are simply relying on the girl's explanation. :?


「ぶりっこ」自分で消去と女児 ＨＰのＩＤ、教え合う？
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長崎県佐世保市の大久保小学校で６年御手洗怜美（みたらい・さとみ）さん（１２）がカッターナイフで切られて死亡した事件で、家裁送致された同級生の女児（１１）が、怜美さんのホームページ（ＨＰ）のＩＤとパスワードを「知っていた」と県警に説明していたことが分かった。女児は「怜美さんのＨＰに『ぶりっこ』などと書かれ、この世からいなくなれと思った。『やめて欲しい』と書き込んでも続けたので、自分で消した」と説明しているという。

県警は、仲間うちでパスワードなどを教え合っていたのではないかと推測しているが、やりとりの内容は女児の説明によるもので、ＨＰ上では確認していない。

女児はほかに、怜美さんが作ったＨＰ上のキャラクターも消すなどしたらしい。怜美さんは事件の２日前、自分のＨＰに「荒らしにアッタんダ。マァ大体ダレがやってるかワかるケド」「ほっとけばいいや。ネ。ミンナもこういう荒らしについて意見チョーダイ」（原文のまま）と、女児を意識したとみられる書き込みをしていた。
 
Well, there's been more than plenty of bloodshed on this rock L-O-N-N-N-N-G before the invention of gunpowder. As I recall, Cain wasn't packing a nine when he whacked Abel, violence has been part of the human condition ever since man first walked erect, and that's never going to change. Guns simply expidite the process these days.

Now, as for what happened with that kid, slashing her classmate to death, that just plain defies belief. One would hope that was a freak occurance, that something snapped inside that girl and she lost it, you'd hate to see that become a common occurance. Then no one would be safe in class. Hmm! Sounds like life in American schools!
 
I got a hold of a copy of the New York Post yesterday so I was reading up on what's been happening in the old Big Apple.

Some teenager stabbed another to death for not sharing with him some juice or soda or something. In the U.S. such incidents are not reported nationwide, and will be forgotten in a few days.

In Japan, such incidents are covered nationally in the media and discussed for days and weeks.
 
Guess that's because such incidents aren't too special anymore in the US
While in Japan, they're very seldom.
 
First of all, "forum" and "chat" are two clearly different things.
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Which even a formal investigation has failed to clarify completely. Although home page to mean web site would still be pretty incredible if 70% of these girls had their own....maybe it's more like just a one page link with their avatar and other essential biographical information.


http://www.asahi.com/special/sasebo/JJT200406140003.html

ネット利用する小６～中１女子、７割がＨＰ持つ
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インターネットを利用している１２～１３歳の女子の７割が自分のホームページ（ＨＰ）を持ち、「掲示板への書き込み」「チャット」はともに９割以上が経験していることが１４日までに、インターネット調査サービス「ｉＭｉ（いみ）ネット」（ライフメディア運営）が、長崎県佐世保市の小６女児殺害事件後に実施した調査で分かった。

調査は、ネットを利用する全国の小学６年と中学１年の女子児童・生徒９４人が対象。ＨＰを持っているのは６９％、掲示板、チャットの経験はともに９４％と大半を占めた。（時事）

Although perhaps they are full-fledged sites.....here's a record of the victim's page as she left it.

http://www.asahi.com/special/sasebo/OSK200406190017.html
 
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