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Really?!! Have you lived in these countries to know this information first hand? I've spent time in some of these countries and have family that live there (Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia), and I can tell you that you are 100%, without-a-doubt, talking out of your ***!! Playing with video games, listening to pop culture music and buying electronics has NOTHING to do with how citizens feel about another country. It is quite amazing that, as a self-proclaimed "scholar," you would make such a bold-faced clam on a subject of which you know NOTHING!!! By the way, here's a little Vietnamese love for Japan:Hiroshi66 said:The Taiwanese, the Malays of Malaysia and Singapore, Thai, Vietnamese, Khmer, Laotians, and some Burmese, Filipino, and Indonesians love the Japanese. They listen to Japanese music and love Japan...all these countries have realized that Japan wasn't all that bad, and now that its changed so much.
Or could also be that Japan's colonial rule of Taiwan was not as severe as that in Korea and China (JPRI Working Paper No. 105--after the 15th footnote, you'll find what i'm talking about) As for the others, where are you getting that information?!! I'm going to have to see credible data on that.Hiroshi66 said:After Taiwanese saw the hated KMT regime up close, they had fond memories of the japanese occupation.
Don't forget HK and Vietnam. (I know, i know, HK is technically a part of PRC, but sociologically, they're very diff. from mainlanders)Hiroshi66 said:Its only South Korea and the PRC really.
Let me know when you start, because clearly, your arguments are anything but "academic."Hiroshi66 said:I hope we can have an academic discussion here and not another bloodbath.
And today's generation of Chinese did not invade Tibet, so what's your point? As for Japan's military, what would you call the SDF in Iraq? Vacationing soldiers?Tim33 said:TODAYS GENERATION OF JAPANESE DID NOT INVADE CHINA.
So what are they apologising for?
Shibuyaexpat said:Really?!! Have you lived in these countries to know this information first hand? I've spent time in some of these countries and have family that live there (Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia), and I can tell you that you are 100%, without-a-doubt, talking out of your ***!! Playing with video games, listening to pop culture music and buying electronics has NOTHING to do with how citizens feel about another country. It is quite amazing that, as a self-proclaimed "scholar," you would make such a bold-faced clam on a subject of which you know NOTHING!!! By the way, here's a little Vietnamese love for Japan:
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Hiroshi66 said:The Taiwanese, the Malays of Malaysia and Singapore, Thai, Vietnamese, Khmer, Laotians, and some Burmese, Filipino, and Indonesians love the Japanese. They listen to Japanese music and love Japan.
People in China are told quite different story about the meeting.Eisuke said:Japan is asking for compensation for attacks on Japanese property in China and an official apology, but Li did not offer either, Japanese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hatsuhisa Takashima told reporters.
Then, on the next day, this:The Japanese foreign minister expressed his government's sorrow and apology for the catastrophe brought to the Chinese people by Japan's invasion.
"The source of the problem rests with the history issue," Wu told reporters. "Japan should apologize first."
Tim33 said:This really is pathetic, if they cant apologise then they should no way expect Japan to. This is extreamly hypocritical and this behavior is quite childish and it does make me lose alot of respect for the Chinese people.
By doing this they are contradicting what they are protesting for.
Dream Time said:we are not only demanding an apology from Japan, whats more important is that, the Japanese needs to learn what their country had done in the past and learn to prevent repeating the mistakes again
Shibuyaexpat said:And today's generation of Chinese did not invade Tibet, so what's your point? As for Japan's military, what would you call the SDF in Iraq?
Dream Time said:China was one of the victims in WW2. in the history, China has never done anything to harm Japan. we all want to move on and have a better future, but we can't move on if someone does not regret of his past mistakes, and what kind of a future would we have if Japan keeps installing those pro-war concepts into the minds of their citizens?
if they write it differently in textbooks they are brainwashing their citizens.
we are not only demanding an apology from Japan, whats more important is that, the Japanese needs to learn what their country had done in the past and learn to prevent repeating the mistakes again
Tim33 said:From they japanese people i have spoken they seem to know what happened and what they done. As for it happening again i seriously doubt that, the society of today in any modernized country would go to those levels.
The irony of that last statement is absolutely precious! Let me get this straight:Hiroshi66 said:The Japanese won't do what they did 60 years ago because the Japanese youth are more interested in pop culture than invading China. They have better things to do. THINK LOGICALLY.
Hiroshi66 said:The Japanese won't do what they did 60 years ago because the Japanese youth are more interested in pop culture than invading China. They have better things to do. THINK LOGICALLY.
Dream Time said:some Japanese knows what happened, but they have no sense of regret or guilt for what their country had done.
I apologize if this is what you inferred, but that's my tone. If you're offended, I'm sorry, I'll try to soften it up a bit.Hiroshi66 said:Shibuyaexpat; first of all, must you really be so rude in your responses? Nobody is fighting a war with you. You don't need to hurt people's feelings.
I'm sorry, but you can't make very general and very broad claims like this, and then follow it up with ツ"I don't need evidence.ツ" Allow me to elaborate:Hiroshi66 said:I don't need evidence. My evidence is from talking to these people. I know Khmer, Taiwanese, and people from the other countries I mentioned who when asked about the Japanese of today say that there are different from the monsters who ravaged the country 60 years before.
China is Japan's largest trading partner, and a key reason why Japan recently rebounded from the decade long recession. Japanese electronics companies are doing very well in South Korea, too (I work in this industry so I see the monthly sales reports).Hiroshi66 said:The only people who boycott Japanese items are some Chinese and Koreans. Again, I base this off real-life experience. I hope I will not have to resort to giving you these people's e-mail addresses, because that will just be sad and a little funny.
Again, my apologies if I hurt your feelings, but if this is an online forum where ideas/opinions are the only way to identify each other. I have no physical way of knowing who you are and/or gauging your reaction to my comments, besides the words that are typed, which in and of themselves are very limited tools in communication. Whether you're 14 or 140, in these forums, if you're opinions and arguments are not sound, you HAVE to expect that someone will shoot them down. Some may be nice in the process, while others may take the alternate route. I like to think that I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't think I've been overly mean, but again, this is only my perception.Hiroshi66 said:Shibuyaexpat, you seem like an educated person, and I respect your views and opinions. However, some of your comments have really hurt my feelings. There is no reason for you to put me down. Some of your other comments on other topics really hurt my feelings. You are entitled to your views but shouldn't put others down.
vietnam said:There is always a fact that Japan is more preferable than China in the world.
The respect from Europe to Japan is much much bigger than to China.
No need to discuss!
Hiroshi66 said:Don't get me wrong guys - I love Chinese culture. Its just the current People's Republic that I loathe. QUOTE]
Probably we can put it in this way---I love Chinese culture. Its just the current so-called communist government that I loathe.
In addition, I don't think it is appropriate to describe any people as Barbaric(yes, I mean any).