Japan, please stop whale hunting!

sabro said:
I shy away from criticizing the spelling, typing, grammar and punctuation on forums. It is poor form and discourages participation. I would offer suggestions and corrections only when indicated.

I agree for the most part. But, Bossel seemed to show some interest in English being a person's first language, so I thought I would introduce him to Nurizeko for further musing on the point.
 
I don't think Bossel was actually criticizing your spelling. He seemed to be more concerned with your logic and conceptual presentation. But Bossel can speak well for himself and I don't need to do it for him.
 
sabro said:
I don't think Bossel was actually criticizing your spelling. He seemed to be more concerned with your logic and conceptual presentation. But Bossel can speak well for himself and I don't need to do it for him.

I guess that is of subjective perception. Something for your not wanting to look at everything "black and white," brother Sabro.
 
You seem a bit confused. I clearly said that I didn't think Bossel was criticising your spelling. It is clear that this is not black and white thinking but rather speculation. Which is why I indicated that Bossel could probably clarify his own motives better than I can. Is that a bit clearer for you?

And when did I graduate from being your "pond" that you did not care about to your "brother." It seems rather insincere coming from you.
 
Where did I ever say he was criticising my spelling, brother Sabro?

I guess you are confused with believing in something like a "trinity." Have you lost your train of thought again?
 
Correction: spelling et al. Again no confusion on my part. Did you lose context again?
 
More deceptive practices? A statement I used once Mr. Chessmaster, cannot be considered my motto.

Are you going to talk about whaling or what?
 
sabro said:
More deceptive practices? A statement I used once Mr. Chessmaster, cannot be considered my motto.

Looks like a motto to me -- always with your name.

Are you going to talk about whaling or what?

Kind of hard to when people want to talk about plants, call people loony and encourage that. But, I wouldn`t expect anything otherwise from someone who thinks one is three and three is one (What is that? -- the Three Musketteers?).
 
What in the non-existant hell are you talking about? (Is this some sort of protien deprivation dementia?)
 
sabro said:
What in the non-existant hell are you talking about? (Is this some sort of protien deprivation dementia?)

I am wondering the same about you, brother Sabro. If you would stop reading tales of The Fairy God King your reading comprehension my not be stymied by delusion. Then you would have comprehended I never began talking about plants. You were the one to ask when I was going to start talking about whales? I answered, that is hard to do when people are interested in bringing plants into the argument.

If you would stop believing in one is three and three are one, then you wouldn`t be so confused and would no "lose your train of thought."
 
voice the loon
1. Calls sabro "brother sabro"
2. supports terrorising entire communitys over a
few guinea pigs
3. has an unhealthy obsession with spelling and
and grammar on the internet, an informal
media arguably NOT an english lecture hall.
4. finds all violence against animals intolerable,
yet seems to relish and savour the very
thought of violence against his fellow
man.
5. Has fanatical unrealistic expectations on the
relationship between humans and our food supply
6. Has no real logical ideas on how to balance out
humanities needs and the wellbeingツ of the
ecosystem, and just rants on about how
animals rock and how much he hates humanity
7. Seems to have a fanatical belief that his opinions
and comments are truth and right, even though
he has yet to prove any real honest wisdom and
knowledge of what he speaks about beyond that
of a ranting loon.
8. A massive hypocrit, being a nature extremist,
while using computers, wearing clothes, eating
food, and most things in his life comming from
animals and plants.
Nuri a loon?
1. Likes haggis, possible sign of wierdness.
2. Has a phobia of mosqitos and blood sucking insects in general.
3. Supports crazy things like common sense, logic wisdom, and people more qualified about a subject having the legitimate say on it.
4. Likes cats over dogs.
5. Once he was on a deul highway home, and the gas station his family stopped at didnt have a loo so he climbed a fence and went into the nearby trees and bushes, to find the otherside was a golf course, so he had to choose who to risk seeing him...he chose the golfers, and wizzed just inside the bushline...if any golfers saw him they were kind enough to pretend otherwise...


Wow...i guess the list speaks for itself.
Its not like im unfamiliar with fanatics who blindly have their own agendas and beliefs, to feul the contempt and hatred and irrational unjustified hostility towards a particular group or race or religion, on in your case, all of humanity, but you knew fine and well you were comming onto a japan related forum, not a nature nut forum, im all happy if you want to spout your irrational and unworkable new world order BS in forums dedicated to your cause, but youve clearly came here with the intention of trolling, and demonizing japan, because somehow you feel you will win a decisive and long lasting blow against "the enemy" though your never really sure who they are, it changes as it suits you, the best way to describe your philosophy is this: for some reason in your life you lost faith in humanity, and now, you intent on hating all of it in return, but you cant really choose a particular target like racists or sexists can. Also you dont really care about the animals and nature, its just a convenient smoke screen, a mask to hide your contempt behind.
Possibly your mother or father abused you, maybe you were bullied at school, maybe it was just something as stupid as someone laughed at you once when you told them you were going vegetarian i dunno, maybe your just a total dead-beat with little worth and you've got nothing better then to fight the cause, any cause, aslong as you dont have to face the reality that your life is meaningless i dunno.
Yes, nature, mother earth, the ecosystem IS important and it DOES deserve our protection and management and respect.
But is stupid fanatical eco-nut rants on a forum, terrorising entire communities, dumping dead whales in cities, piracy, empty threats and a misplaced attitude that you are somehow fighting for a resistance cause when you arent acheiving anything and there is no real enemy, helping the cause for an eco-friendly humanity?....hell no.
If you want to save the whales, become a politician, lobby for pro-green policies and bills, try and find comprimise and meet nature and humanities needs in the middle, have patients and most of all be realistic about what to expect, the only way nature will be free from effect from humanity is if we are completely whiped from the earth and all trace of our existance (eco-nuts included) are gone.
But thats not going to happen, and having the natural instinct for survival of the species i, and the vast majority of others down want it either.
Neither is nature and life so fragile that a puff of smoke will finish all life on earth, chances are humanity would sooner finish itself off from its own pollution, and nature would recover itself.
The problem i have with eco-loonies is that they have such small small closed minds, that only think about the present and immediate future, and they cant think beyond into the bigger picture, the grand scheme of things.
Even if life did eventually (which it will anyway) vanish from the earth, theres still probably thousands if not millions or billions of worlds in the universe that have rich life on them.
Long before the sun swallows the earth and turns it into a puff of soot, the earth will be too hot for life, but what then?, should humanity just die with it because we live back in the stone age, when we could have advanced our technologies and spread into space eventually.
Earth is dying as we speak, its been dying since it formed, As far as i see it, its more important that ultimately, humanity has enough freedom to research and develope its technologies so we can escape this planet before its burnt to a cinder, then throw away civilization just so we can protect a few poxy whales that will die out in a few million years anyway, long long LONG before all life is destined to die.
I believe like any sane person, protecting the enviroment is important, yes, mostly for our own interests, and dont get me wrong, i do enjoy nature for natures sake, but ultimately we have to find the right balance in which nature is protected sufficiently, while humanity still has the freedom to develope and advance, and that is a balanced world that has no place for eco loonies.
Also i like plants more, doesnt mean im going to stop eating them, but i would prefer a nice leafy shade-casting tree over a big wet whale, if i had to choose between the survival of a single species of tree, or a single species of whale, ide choose a species of tree for conservation.
 
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Hearingstrongvoicesforward: it is rather clear that you like to pollute this board with a plethora of meaningless tripe. Whales are dying and you waste time in a vain and weak attempt to slam me. As far as talking about plants-(not me), calling people looney (not me) and encouraging that (also not me). It should be apparent to you exactly who is confused. If you would stick to the topic of the thread you might not undermine your credibility so severly and someone might actually pay attention to your vegetarian spiel.

Talking about whales is not hard to do. Ignore the OCD strong voices in your head and start typing in your thoughts, facts and ideas about why the Japanese should not slaughter 80 whales a year in the name of science. It does not seem difficult to do.

I am glad to report that I have never read any tales about the fairy god king. My basic math skills are quite sound. And I believe nurizeko and bossel have both made you look like an idiot.
 
sabro said:
And I believe nurizeko and bossel have both made you look like an idiot.

The belief of a person who believes one is three and three are one does not hold much merit from my point of view. Those are thoughts of people who have delusion. Though, their beliefs do have entertainment value, brother Sabro. I guess there is a little merit in that. ;-)
 
nurizeko said:
voice the loon
1. Calls sabro "brother sabro"
2. supports terrorising entire communitys over a
few guinea pigs
3. has an unhealthy obsession with spelling and
and grammar on the internet, an informal
media arguably NOT an english lecture hall.
4. finds all violence against animals intolerable,
yet seems to relish and savour the very
thought of violence against his fellow
man.
5. Has fanatical unrealistic expectations on the
relationship between humans and our food supply
6. Has no real logical ideas on how to balance out
humanities needs and the wellbeingツ of the
ecosystem, and just rants on about how
animals rock and how much he hates humanity
7. Seems to have a fanatical belief that his opinions
and comments are truth and right, even though
he has yet to prove any real honest wisdom and
knowledge of what he speaks about beyond that
of a ranting loon.
8. A massive hypocrit, being a nature extremist,
while using computers, wearing clothes, eating
food, and most things in his life comming from
animals and plants.
Nuri a loon?
1. Likes haggis, possible sign of wierdness.
2. Has a phobia of mosqitos and blood sucking insects in general.
3. Supports crazy things like common sense, logic wisdom, and people more qualified about a subject having the legitimate say on it.
4. Likes cats over dogs.
5. Once he was on a deul highway home, and the gas station his family stopped at didnt have a loo so he climbed a fence and went into the nearby trees and bushes, to find the otherside was a golf course, so he had to choose who to risk seeing him...he chose the golfers, and wizzed just inside the bushline...if any golfers saw him they were kind enough to pretend otherwise...
Wow...i guess the list speaks for itself.
Its not like im unfamiliar with fanatics who blindly have their own agendas and beliefs, to feul the contempt and hatred and irrational unjustified hostility towards a particular group or race or religion, on in your case, all of humanity, but you knew fine and well you were comming onto a japan related forum, not a nature nut forum, im all happy if you want to spout your irrational and unworkable new world order BS in forums dedicated to your cause, but youve clearly came here with the intention of trolling, and demonizing japan, because somehow you feel you will win a decisive and long lasting blow against "the enemy" though your never really sure who they are, it changes as it suits you, the best way to describe your philosophy is this: for some reason in your life you lost faith in humanity, and now, you intent on hating all of it in return, but you cant really choose a particular target like racists or sexists can. Also you dont really care about the animals and nature, its just a convenient smoke screen, a mask to hide your contempt behind.
Possibly your mother or father abused you, maybe you were bullied at school, maybe it was just something as stupid as someone laughed at you once when you told them you were going vegetarian i dunno, maybe your just a total dead-beat with little worth and you've got nothing better then to fight the cause, any cause, aslong as you dont have to face the reality that your life is meaningless i dunno.
Yes, nature, mother earth, the ecosystem IS important and it DOES deserve our protection and management and respect.
But is stupid fanatical eco-nut rants on a forum, terrorising entire communities, dumping dead whales in cities, piracy, empty threats and a misplaced attitude that you are somehow fighting for a resistance cause when you arent acheiving anything and there is no real enemy, helping the cause for an eco-friendly humanity?....hell no.
If you want to save the whales, become a politician, lobby for pro-green policies and bills, try and find comprimise and meet nature and humanities needs in the middle, have patients and most of all be realistic about what to expect, the only way nature will be free from effect from humanity is if we are completely whiped from the earth and all trace of our existance (eco-nuts included) are gone.
But thats not going to happen, and having the natural instinct for survival of the species i, and the vast majority of others down want it either.
Neither is nature and life so fragile that a puff of smoke will finish all life on earth, chances are humanity would sooner finish itself off from its own pollution, and nature would recover itself.
The problem i have with eco-loonies is that they have such small small closed minds, that only think about the present and immediate future, and they cant think beyond into the bigger picture, the grand scheme of things.
Even if life did eventually (which it will anyway) vanish from the earth, theres still probably thousands if not millions or billions of worlds in the universe that have rich life on them.
Long before the sun swallows the earth and turns it into a puff of soot, the earth will be too hot for life, but what then?, should humanity just die with it because we live back in the stone age, when we could have advanced our technologies and spread into space eventually.
Earth is dying as we speak, its been dying since it formed, As far as i see it, its more important that ultimately, humanity has enough freedom to research and develope its technologies so we can escape this planet before its burnt to a cinder, then throw away civilization just so we can protect a few poxy whales that will die out in a few million years anyway, long long LONG before all life is destined to die.
I believe like any sane person, protecting the enviroment is important, yes, mostly for our own interests, and dont get me wrong, i do enjoy nature for natures sake, but ultimately we have to find the right balance in which nature is protected sufficiently, while humanity still has the freedom to develope and advance, and that is a balanced world that has no place for eco loonies.
Also i like plants more, doesnt mean im going to stop eating them, but i would prefer a nice leafy shade-casting tree over a big wet whale, if i had to choose between the survival of a single species of tree, or a single species of whale, ide choose a species of tree for conservation.

Ha! I guess you really "rebuked" me in that, as brother Sabro likes to say. I'm sure it was hillarious. Too bad I didn't read any of that "loony" wind. I guess you gave your fingers a typing workout, huh? I'm just wondering if you got the contraction "you're" down right this time. Did you?
 
Believe me nurizeko spoke a lot of truth, and you missed some insight that would help you grow as a human. Ignore the truth. It makes living lies easier.
 
sabro said:
Believe me nurizeko spoke a lot of truth, and you missed some insight that would help you grow as a human. Ignore the truth. It makes living lies easier.

Ha!

Have I been "rebuked" again? Hey, you are really good at this "rebuking." thing! ;-)

Perhaps the "One is three and three are one will smite me" now, so you can praise some more "rebuking."

ROTFLMAO!
 
I'm glad you're laughing...(as sad as a picture that is...)
Out of curiosity- where does you bad math example come from and what does it have to do with whales?
 
nurizeko said:
Nuri a loon?
1. Likes haggis, possible sign of wierdness.
A definite sign of weirdness, but you are from north of the border so you are forgiven. But your continuation of hunting these small defenceless beasties with other clansmen have driven them to the brink of extinction. They are now forced to hide in their little burrow up in the highlands, only to appear before tourists, waiting for the howl of the Haggis terrier hounds, goaded on by the wail of the bagpipes. Save the Haggis. Believe me if you've ever tried one you'll want to save it from being cooked, just to save you own stomach.
 
urecco said:
The estimates I used are about the population in Antarctic not in the north Atlantic.
No mistake, you got the wrong article. Palumbi & Baker did studies on 2 different genes of antarctic Minke & both found that the original population was above 1m (1,000,000).



strongvoicesforward said:
since Bossel seems to be interested in English as a member's native language.
Nope, I only wonder about this because of your apparent lack of understanding (or, as you might say: low comprehension ability).

Bossel, ask Nurizeko if his/her first language is English, or if he/she doesn't understand "contractions."
Is it part of your illusion now that you can order me around?

I just said that a sponge does not have nerves.
Then what relevance had your earlier question whether plants had a central nervous system?

After you had your fun with Sabro I want to come back to my last post, I'm still missing some explanation:
bossel said:
You came up with the "All animals..." stuff. Which leads to the question why animals & not plants are worthy of consideration. You still haven't given a satisfactory answer.
Eg.
strongvoicesforward said:
I have nerves. A sponge does not.
You have nerves, a sponge doesn't, mimosa pudica doesn't. Which is still no answer to
bossel said:
Could you share your observations that may lead you to the conclusion that a sponge is closer to your reaction on pain & suffering?
 
nurizeko said:
3. has an unhealthy obsession with spelling and
and grammar on the internet, an informal
media arguably NOT an english lecture hall.
That would be odd, since he makes quite a few spelling mistakes. While I haven't been following this thread carefully (I check in every once in a while), on all other threads I've seen him in, he doesn't seem obsessed with either of these.
 
Whale hunting is something we all should care about.

For those who have notice, I live in mexico, and recently, the country launched a campain (is that right??) on behalf of the whales, because some of them reproduce in mexican waters. Today, in my International Marketing class, we actually took a little argument about this.

I don't think eating whale is as bad as it sounds, is just like, as somebody said, eating cow or chicken or else. What makes it somewhat untolerable is the amount of whales killed for this matter. I come to the phrase: All with moderation. Of course, for us, humans, is soooo difficult to do! Like drinking!

I do not intend to get religius, but it is said in the Bible that God created everything, but what came to be related on human feeding, vegitables are only mentioned. After the first sin, man got to feed himself with animals, why? Because now he was suppoused to grow his own parcel. And we all know how much it takes for something to grow. there are medical support fot the fact of us created to be vegitarian, like our intestines. Veggitarians have longer intestines because vegitables take longer to be diggested and taken out of our sistem, meat can get dicomposed easier, and it's too long for it to be kept inside... (Reason I find very valuable when my dad goes to the bathroom)

I don't think it is 100% ok to eat chicken and else that are grown artificially, but I also know they're not in danger of extintion. Even if they're not raised on factories, they're easier to manage, don't you think? I live in the north, where people actually have ranches and packs of cows. We actually, sometimes eat horse meat. But I don't think it's wrong just because we like them or cos their pretty or usefull, why? Because we don't eat it everyday; something I cannot say about the chicken, see?
Just think. Have you ever seen a Whale farm?? I haven't. Whales take sooo long to reproduce, like oaks to grow up. I love japan, but I think that they're still humans living on this world. A world that is not private for them or for any country. This kind of things affects us all, and being such an old culture an intelligent people, they should know the consequences their unmeasured hunting will bring.

about canivalismo... well,, that's some subject I don't want to discuss. This matter involves too much self conciusness and morals and ethics and religion and... many things. I cannot say I wouldn't do it because I have never been in such a sittuation that would force me to do things I usually wouldn't do. But, as for to say, why would I eat human flesh NOW if I can go outside and kill a chicken? In some other situation (like that story about the plane crash where the survivors ate human flesh of the dead ones.. but only from their butts....) I don't know.
 
bossel said:
No mistake, you got the wrong article. Palumbi & Baker did studies on 2 different genes of antarctic Minke & both found that the original population was above 1m (1,000,000).

I guessed "original population" means the population before starting whalefishing (in 1904 in Antrarcitic).

Is that right? If not, please define what is the "original population."

And if possible, please show me the source you use.
 
Cheers for the rep point for my last reply, Strongvoiceforward, i read something in the comment about straining to present my loony thoughts, but then, we all cant be gifted with the skill to type fast enough to present a reasonable post when the need arises.

Cheers for your support, i hope you dont mind, ive decided your rep point you so kindly gave me is you recognising that infact you are sorry for your hostile commentary against my original responses, and that you agree with what i and those engaging you in discussion say, i always find being able to stand back and admit defeat humbly like a man is a very admirable quality, its good to see you have at least one. 👍

Lol.:p
 
nurizeko said:
Cheers for the rep point for my last reply,...

Ha! Don't read too much into it. It was just for your arduous effort. That's all. I geuss if I had read your post, the reason for giving it to you may have been "humor." But, since I didn't read it, we'll never know about that.

Strongvoiceforward, i read something in the comment about straining to present my loony thoughts, but then, we all cant be gifted with the skill to type fast enough to present a reasonable post when the need arises.

Yes, I understand. Too bad for you and your fondness for the word "loony."

Cheers for your support, i hope you dont mind, ive decided your rep point you so kindly gave me is you recognising that infact you are sorry for your hostile commentary against my original responses, and that you agree with what i and those engaging you in discussion say, i always find being able to stand back and admit defeat humbly like a man is a very admirable quality, its good to see you have at least one.

Good work there. Now, if you want to use a contraction for the bolded, it is as such: "you're"

I think your rep points are going to bloom from me because you make me laugh so much. Rep Inflation is headed your way. You will be the highest "repped" member because I value your "loonyiness." You will pass all with rep points because of your ability to bring humor to the threads. I'm giving you one right now. ;-)
 
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