Islam the beacon of light in Japan

[Master X]

For Bin Ladin he's been working with them since they were fighting the soviet union; he actually went to Las Vegas and gambled. Its no suprise really, the united states planned 911, Osama Bin Ladin was once again another puppet. Why did they do it because Islam was spreading quickly and they didn't like it.

As for the jews I don't know what will happen, after all this is life and unexpected things do happen. My only hope is that no more people get their life's taken away.

As for Men and Women your going a little overboard. All men want women(it dosn't make a difference if your a westerner or asian) this way of clothing is to dress properly and to have an ordained society with man and woman in public society .

 

[sabro]

I used to be a dispensationalist, I flirted with preterism, and now I think I'm a idealist/historicist.

I agree with you Fantt. Most American Christians are evengelical-- a lot of mainstream Protestants and even some Catholics- the Charismatics, believe in dispensational escatology.

 

[Fantt]

Ok, MasterX fair enough. I think it's safe to assume you don't whole-heartedly support forcing women to wear complete black coverings in public as they do in Saudi Arabia.

I'm glad that you don't wish death to anyone else in Palestine or Israel.

As for Bin Laden, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. My guess is that bin Laden considers himself to be a very pious and deeply religous man. He took American support because it enabled him to fight a Holy War in Afghan against the Soviets. To say, though, that our government caused the 911 attacks is going right over the edge. Our government could have easily made the attacks look much more spectacular and more easily tied to extremists. I can see how those in charge may have used the attacks to further their own political careers, but that's a far cry from actually planning, financing and carrying out the attacks.

My guess is that the feeling that bin Laden is a CIA plant is a story which circulates around Muslim circles to help them cope with the fact that a member of their own religion has done something which they just can't imagine could be true.

Thanks for the discussion, MasterX. I actually do think that the vast majority of Muslims are for peace and love and harmony, just as I believe that the vast majority of humanity in general want that as well.

 

[sabro]

We planned 9-11???

You are talking about the same guys who couldn't take Koresh's compound in Waco. The same bunch that planned the Bay of Pigs? Iranian Hostage rescue? Tried to assasinate Castro? Ruby Ridge? Amtrack? (C'mon, we cant even run a decent railroad.)

Asside from being offensive and obscene, this idea is not even logical.

 

[Fantt]

As I said Sabro, I think that story exists so that muslims can sleep at night "knowing" that one of their own didn't commit such a horrible thing.

 

[Master X]

the end of time is near, what you are witnessing is the worst of Muslim times. You should of seen us when Islam prosperred. In Spain the jews and Christians wanted to be our neighbors, but yet again evil is always amongest us to make some people do wrong things. This wont end tragic I dont know when but we will rid this evil from the face of the earth, but we must do it by yet again helping one another.

 

[RockLee]

I don't think there will be peace ever....as I see it now it's GOD vs ALLAH...America believes God is going to help em, those other nutcakes think Allah is going to help em...Religion is all a f*cking hoax...one reason I don't believe all that sh*t...


I think the only way of getting rid off religion is that we destroy mankind?And I think we are on a good way of doing so...

 

[Master X]

then there is no hope for you. And by the way Allah is the same God as in Judaism, Christianity. The same God who will question you on the day of judgement for your actions in this life.

 

[RockLee]

then there is no hope for you. And by the way Allah is the same God as in Judaism, Christianity. The same God who will question you on the day of judgement for your actions in this life.

If god would be allah,etc. why does America think god will help them, and those Islam ppl Allah will???it's both the same god according to you,how you explain they both are killing eachother??

 

[Master X]

because of money greed oil and occupation...
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I must get going, do you want to know what Islam is really about then search my previous posts for Islam online.

 

[RockLee]

If you窶决e in a country where Muslims are a minority, it is important that you and your children learn how to deal with non-Muslims. There is nothing wrong with socializing with non-Muslims as long as you don窶冲 break the rules of Islam such as by having free mixing of the sexes or drinking alcohol.

it's like we're not good enough to mix??

 

[Fantt]

I think the prohibition of the free mixing of the sexes is based on a superstition that if men and women are allowed to freely interact, the men will rape the women. It's one of the things that I find most absurd about Islam.

 

[Master X]

what!

thats completly out of line. We can interact with women, but not improperly or immoraly like westerners do. It is wrong to rape women and we never do so. There is nothing absurd with Islam it is perfect just like the orignal Judaism, and Christianity.

 

[RockLee]

There is nothing absurd with Islam it is perfect just like the orignal Judaism, and Christianity.

hahahahahaha,you wish !!!!! LMAO...this guy is even funnier than that other guy

 

[Master X]

don't be so naive, you must talk about religion with an open heart.

 

[Fantt]

what!

thats completly out of line. We can interact with women, but not improperly or immoraly like westerners do. It is wrong to rape women and we never do so. There is nothing absurd with Islam it is perfect just like the orignal Judaism, and Christianity.

MasterX, I didn't mean to imply that muslim men do rape women. However, there seems to be a superstition, at least among some muslims that if men and women are allowed to freely interact that the women will so inflame the passions of the men that the men will rape the women. It almost seems like the women are put at fault for that. I find that absurd as well.

I'm a westerner. How do I immorally interact with women? I'm married. I freely mix with the women I work with all day long and there hasn't yet been an instance of rape at work.

As for your religion being perfect, well, that's great for you. I'm glad that you've found an infallible philosophy. I haven't, and I don't think I'd like to.

 

[TwistedMac]

people like master-x make me sad.

why do they exist. In what way are they helping society become better?

 

[Fantt]

MasterX doesn't seem so bad. He's said that he doesn't wish anyone to die. He says he has respect for everyone. He's bought into the myths about the terrorists, but that's understandable because the truth apparently really threatens his religion.

He's not out to hurt anyone - I'd guess he's a really nice guy in person.

Just for clarity, I'm not being at all sarcastic.

 

[sabro]

I like Master-X. He called me wise.

 

[TwistedMac]

he wants people gone from his sight because "god" has apparently condemned them, and that makes it ok to force them away with pitchforks. then he goes on to say that they don't want to kill them, but talking doesn't help, so other means are necessary.. you see, god has condemned them! so obviously it's up to the Islamic people to execute revenge.. or something.

All I see is Mr X beating around the bush, trying to seem like a nice guy while all the time saying how everyone of us nonbelievers and even more so, the traitor jews need to be exterminated, just not in so many words.
(well, maybe not be exterminated by human hands, but we will be on judgement day anyway.)

He keeps saying how some people are wrong... peaceful solutions should be made but CANNOT be made.. proposes another solution to be made but does not clarify what this alternative solution is.

No, I stick to my claim. I dislike him.

The really sad thing is this whole conspiracy theory where america has masterminded this whole muslim attack on themselves.
Bush is an *******, and I believe he didn't think twice to use the whole thing to his advantage the second the planes hit the building, but he's not that big of an *******.

very convenient excuse when your fellow muslims are being nasty. Just disown them.

I'm appauled by all the things done in the name of christianity through the years. So I ditched the whole idea. If anything proves god isn't real, it should be the evil stuff that people do in His name.

 

[Fantt]

Hey - it's important to talk with people like MasterX. As long as everyone is civil, we can all learn something new. If he can learn that not all Americans and Europeans are evil, immoral, women-raping monsters, then we've helped ourselves a little bit. And if I can learn that not all muslims want to force women to be totally covered and discarded, then I have learned something.

Just because he thinks differently doesn't make him a bad guy. But I respect your dislike of him as well.

 

[TwistedMac]

Hey - it's important to talk with people like MasterX. As long as everyone is civil, we can all learn something new. If he can learn that not all Americans and Europeans are evil, immoral, women-raping monsters, then we've helped ourselves a little bit. And if I can learn that not all muslims want to force women to be totally covered and discarded, then I have learned something.

Just because he thinks differently doesn't make him a bad guy. But I respect your dislike of him as well.

Ok, I'll buy it, and I'll loosen up.

I still have a question though... why is islam a beacon of light in Japan?
Feels like this hasn't been touched in the thread with a name that implies it should be thoroughly explained.

 

[Fantt]

I would guess MasterX would say that Islam is a beacon of light pretty much anywhere. As far as he is concerned it is a perfect religion and only through Islam can people truly attain peace and harmony.

Please forgive me MasterX if I've put words in your mouth.

 

[sabro]

I think if I was Jewish, his words would be quite frightening. Perhaps Master X can explain what we should do with (or what should happen to) millions and millions of Jews now that they have been condemned for their disobedience?

I still like being wise though...

 

[TwistedMac]

I love jews. I've never understood why all the other religions seem to dislike them (appart from the stoning Jesus part, I get that, but come on! He rose from the dead, It all ended well! no harm no foul and all that!)

Jews seem to me to be the one people that do not actively try to press their religion on others. I've met a few jews and even though religion has come up, they've merely stated that they like being jews. Never that I should convert or that being a jew is the right thing.