Is There Middle Ground for the Middle East--what would make a compromise?

[Void]

well, Mars Man sama, i think there exist one more solution... lobotomy... global

 

[Void]

Thank you for your feed back. But I am not quite sure what you mean by Kurds anyone? Kurdistan is a "nation" split into many countries. Kurds are a people. Kurds in Turkey have Turkish passports. Kurds in Iraq have Iraqu passports and so on. Palestinians in the Occupied Territories doe not have Israeli passports.

minimum for 2 reasons
1st - conflicts in ME are not only located in the Palestine-Israel area (Lebanon, Iran, Syria, now Kurds-Turks confrontation...)
2nd - is it surprise for you that Kurds wouldn`t mind to have a country of their own?

... and 3rd - to have passport doesn`t necessarily means to be happy (or at least satisfied) with ongoing situation, or to have a chance to change it for own good

 

[Doc]

From the Mediterrenian sea to the Tigris River, Mt. Hermon to the tip of the Sinai peninsula--a land of many struggles over the course of thousands of years--lies a thorn of an issue even in our time. Can a compromise be made? What might it take?
This thread is for a discussion of what a person might make of the turmoil in that region, and what might be done to reconcile, to compromise, to put an end to the fighting and build trust and friendship.
The theme of this thread will have little to do with religious belief-systems, though points from tenets of such may have bearing from time to time. This thread is not to belittle nor speak ill of other members, but to debate and discuss the problems, possible causes that had given rise to the problems, and how the conflict might be resolved. Let's be fair, as open-minded as possible, and polite.
I would think that less concern about national or national groups interests and more concern about human interests, would be a good starting attitude. At the same time, this would probably have to mean lessening of religious exclusiveness.

One simple answer to your question: No.

 

[Void]

centrajapan, although you edited your post, i reply to it.

first of all, i do not tend to look at ME conflicts separately. And even more
i consider it as an insufficient approach. As well as you cannot review it without taking into account connection with outer world (and zionism is just a part of these connections). I am not going to discuss the origins of Zionism and degree of its extremes, it is far beyond the topic and even forum (there
numerous sources on the web and one can stuck with most comfortable for one`s mind).

I`ll try not to jump deep into history, though i cling to a different from Mars
Man`s position on that subject. Let`s start not so far: the fall of Ottoman
empire gave birth to several countries. Just one simple "but" which turns into
"butt" when you examine it carefully. The nations what inhabited the area weren`t left alone, the borders were drawn for them by "big brothers" who stuck their thingers in every pie and are not intended to leave even now. And it wasn`t much for sake and prosperity of arabian nations. Certainly, there were some good sides in that, but number of ugly ones is also significant.

the rest of the picture you can paint yourself with any colours. I`ll just ask
few questions which will make you dive into some historical events and, perhaps, psychology.
1) what is the core cry of palestinians? how different it from israeli`s or
kurds`?
2) what zionism had to do with confliccts between Iran and Iraq or Iraq and
Kuwait ?
3) what brought Afgans against each other (disregard the supporting sides of US and USSR) ?
4) what keeps Lebanon so unstable (apart from Iran-Syria-Israel trio) ?
5) if you read some palestinians bloggers you`ll find out that besides US and
Israel they point out to another cause of their problems. Who or what that
may be ?

I am all for self determination by a group of people if that is majority will.

so, what is your position on Kosovo, which is closer to you than ME ?

... just for a starter

Mars Man sama, i am sorry for drivig away from the topic, but my word -
i`ll get back to it in awhile

 

[centrajapan]

1.) Palestine, Kurdistan is different. What they have in common is that they don't have their country.

2) what zionism had to do with confliccts between Iran and Iraq or Iraq and
Kuwait ? It didn't. Not Israel.

In the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, the United Kingdom and the United States orchestrated the overthrow of the democratically-elected administration of Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq and his cabinet from power

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq wanted to nationalise Iranian oil and US, UK branded him a communist because US, UK had coorporate interests such as BP in Iran so they overthrew Mosaddeq and installed the Shah so that he could make business easier for the multi national companies. Shah was a dictator who sold out on a nation. Iran had both police and secret police. In the end it got so bad that Iranians decided to storm the US Embassy in the revolution. Because of it US supported Saddam against Iraq.

3 Lebanon has had wars due to external problems which then moved on to Lebanon.

 

[centrajapan]

Muslim helps Jews attacked on New York subway

A Muslim man jumped to the aid of three Jewish subway riders after they were attacked by a group of young people who objected to one of the Jews saying "Happy Hanukkah," a spokeswoman for the three said Wednesday.

Muslim helps Jews attacked on New York subway - CNN.com

In the days where anti Muslim feelings are running high I suppose this is good news but had not anti Muslims feeling been running high in places like US this would probably not been news in the first place.

 

[Mars Man]

So, there could be some hope sometime far down the road after all; maybe.

 

[Sukotto]

sumimasen kedo,

did i post on this thread?
i do not remember.
i cannot find a post anywhere.
but it is showing up under my subscribed threads somehow.

 

[centrajapan]

So, there could be some hope sometime far down the road after all; maybe.

It is not about religon but religion used as a pretext to carry out a rape of a people and nation. There is a difference. There will never be peace until people wake up and call a spade a spade.

US is still mixing apples and oranges.