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mmm sometimes i can do this too.. but just when i have a good day though
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How to become a martial arts movie star
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Kinsao
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- 8 May 2005
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Duo said:you know the lord only gives you so much... if you lack in one area he compensates for it by giving you other skillz... if that guy is so gifted in those acrobatic arts... going by this principle he would be less gifted in other fields
Haha - methinks ur jealous a tad...?
j/k!
thats kinda putting the dude down a bit?Duo said:you know the lord only gives you so much... if you lack in one area he compensates for it by giving you other skillz... if that guy is so gifted in those acrobatic arts... going by this principle he would be less gifted in other fields
lets just praise him for the skill he can wield.
Reiku
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- 23 Aug 2004
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Damn--that's pretty impressive.
A few of those were actually breakdancing moves though: A flare and a toprock if I'm not mistaken.
Granted there is some crossover between breaking and martial arts--the flips, the wall flip, and the kip-up are all used in breakdancing--but the flare and toprock aren't really useful in combat...
...they still look pretty cool though.
A few of those were actually breakdancing moves though: A flare and a toprock if I'm not mistaken.
Granted there is some crossover between breaking and martial arts--the flips, the wall flip, and the kip-up are all used in breakdancing--but the flare and toprock aren't really useful in combat...
...they still look pretty cool though.
Da Monstar
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- 25 Sep 2005
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Pretty cool tricks.
But Real fighting looks like this
Also known as the "flying" Dutchman, great fighter (offcourse he is Nak Muay
)
But Real fighting looks like this
Also known as the "flying" Dutchman, great fighter (offcourse he is Nak Muay
)
Reiku
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- 23 Aug 2004
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You're kidding right?
What kind of amature opponents were they puting that guy up against that couldn't beat him?
Not only were there gaping holes in his defense, but he makes way too much use of that jumping knee attack--even showing it off before and after the fights.
An attack like that is best used in close quarters when your opponent is distracted or dazed because it's easy to see it coming and even easier to counter--but this guy actually used it to close the distance between him and his opponent!
And whats worse, the fool walked right into it and got kicked in the head for his stupidity.
A real fighter would have closed in while he was in mid air and taken him down.
Personally, I would have moved in to his left side (my right), hooked one arm behind his trailing left leg, counched low, and struck the knee with my other palm--then used the momentum to throw him to the mat.
He'd be lucky if his kneecap didn't shatter.
Ah, but what does one expect from prizefighters these days--competence?
What kind of amature opponents were they puting that guy up against that couldn't beat him?
Not only were there gaping holes in his defense, but he makes way too much use of that jumping knee attack--even showing it off before and after the fights.
An attack like that is best used in close quarters when your opponent is distracted or dazed because it's easy to see it coming and even easier to counter--but this guy actually used it to close the distance between him and his opponent!
And whats worse, the fool walked right into it and got kicked in the head for his stupidity.
A real fighter would have closed in while he was in mid air and taken him down.
Personally, I would have moved in to his left side (my right), hooked one arm behind his trailing left leg, counched low, and struck the knee with my other palm--then used the momentum to throw him to the mat.
He'd be lucky if his kneecap didn't shatter.
Ah, but what does one expect from prizefighters these days--competence?
Da Monstar
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- 25 Sep 2005
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He does have his lacks. Even though, he still keeps winning. Now isn't that the great part about it?
I know there could be mentioned alot of greater figthers, but Remy Bonjarsky was the only Nak muay I could think of right now. Then there is Tony jaa, but I think that actors are pretty good at martial art showing on tv. But my general opinion is that they can't fight in a real match (Cause then I think we would have seen some of them in K1 or some other events), the only one I know of that was a great fighter in real life to was Bruce Lee. Cause he trained to be a fighter and then went on the TV with his stuff, whereas others have become fighters who only train the stuff they need to use on tv.
I know there could be mentioned alot of greater figthers, but Remy Bonjarsky was the only Nak muay I could think of right now. Then there is Tony jaa, but I think that actors are pretty good at martial art showing on tv. But my general opinion is that they can't fight in a real match (Cause then I think we would have seen some of them in K1 or some other events), the only one I know of that was a great fighter in real life to was Bruce Lee. Cause he trained to be a fighter and then went on the TV with his stuff, whereas others have become fighters who only train the stuff they need to use on tv.
Reiku
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Yes, there are actually old dojos that teach "show martial arts"--origionally for plays and the like so that actors could do a fight scene without the risk of hurting each other. It's no less of an artform, but it isn't a good thing to practice if you want to have good offense, as the attacks are specificaly designed to be harmless.
The problem I generally have with prize fighters is that there is still too much of a focus on showmanship. The organizations pick fighters that have charisma and whose fighting styles look good, but effectiveness is given a lower priority.
This is especially obvious in the UFC, which seems to consist primatily of large, musclebound men beating on each other with little to no skill at all.
I understand the entertainment value of such things--I actually enjoy watching the occasional UFC match, I also enjoy the occasional episode of Dragonball Z. I wish they would not promote such commercialized events as "Mixed Martial Arts Competitions". just because they actually hurt each other does not mean they are martial artists--nor does the use of kicks, knees, elbows, and headbuts.
I've seen plenty of that at punk concerts too.
I suppose what I really want to see is a true mixed martial arts tournament where the only qualification of the competitors is their skill. But then, whithout veiwers and commercial sponsorships, who would pay for such a thing?
At it's highest level, martial arts ceases to be very rewarding to the spectator.
After all, look how boring the world series is compared to a little leauge game.
With amatures, it goes back and forth and anything can happen--with masters it is a long, slow, stalemate, decided in an instant when one competitor finally makes a mistake.
Hardly entertaining to your average fight fan.
The problem I generally have with prize fighters is that there is still too much of a focus on showmanship. The organizations pick fighters that have charisma and whose fighting styles look good, but effectiveness is given a lower priority.
This is especially obvious in the UFC, which seems to consist primatily of large, musclebound men beating on each other with little to no skill at all.
I understand the entertainment value of such things--I actually enjoy watching the occasional UFC match, I also enjoy the occasional episode of Dragonball Z. I wish they would not promote such commercialized events as "Mixed Martial Arts Competitions". just because they actually hurt each other does not mean they are martial artists--nor does the use of kicks, knees, elbows, and headbuts.
I've seen plenty of that at punk concerts too.
I suppose what I really want to see is a true mixed martial arts tournament where the only qualification of the competitors is their skill. But then, whithout veiwers and commercial sponsorships, who would pay for such a thing?
At it's highest level, martial arts ceases to be very rewarding to the spectator.
After all, look how boring the world series is compared to a little leauge game.
With amatures, it goes back and forth and anything can happen--with masters it is a long, slow, stalemate, decided in an instant when one competitor finally makes a mistake.
Hardly entertaining to your average fight fan.
Da Monstar
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- 25 Sep 2005
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Yes I agrre with you Reiku.
I too would like if they made a great world Martial Art Tournament, with no sponsorship and everyone could join. Then real fighters could be chosen as world champions instead of people with charisma. Though I do Disagree with you (since I am a son of the north) big guys who beats each other up with no style at all is fun to see. And just because you have no fighting style, you're still able to defeat others who themself are skilled in a martial art. Thats why Wrestling is so entertaining, though not showing any "Real" fighters at the same time.
Though off course I must admit that having a profession in a martial art gives you the edge. (Just saw Akebono fight some little guy who beat the big fella' in a K1 fight)
I too would like if they made a great world Martial Art Tournament, with no sponsorship and everyone could join. Then real fighters could be chosen as world champions instead of people with charisma. Though I do Disagree with you (since I am a son of the north
) big guys who beats each other up with no style at all is fun to see. And just because you have no fighting style, you're still able to defeat others who themself are skilled in a martial art. Thats why Wrestling is so entertaining, though not showing any "Real" fighters at the same time.Though off course I must admit that having a profession in a martial art gives you the edge. (Just saw Akebono fight some little guy who beat the big fella' in a K1 fight)
Glenn
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- 8 Jan 2004
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Reiku said:
What about the old days of the UFC, when there were less rules and there were no rounds or weight divisions? Fights got pretty boring then, especially some of the Royce Gracie fights. Not that that automatically makes them skillful, but I'm wondering what your thoughts on those fighters are.
Now you've got me curious as to what a fight between two skilled fighters would look like.
Reiku
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@ Da Monstar: Actually, I'm half dutch--so I've got a bit of that "Big Guy Son of The North" thing going for me too. And if I didn't make it clear, I do enjoy watching big guys brawl like on the UFC. To be honest, I wouldn't care that much about the relative lack of skill in the UFC if it weren't for one thing:
I teach martial arts for a living...
...and UFC heavywieght champion Chuck Liddell lives in my town, forcing me to compete with his kickboxing dojo for students.
If it wasn't hurting me financially, I probably wouldn't care--but losing money I need to pay my bills because of an inferior school's popularity has never sat well with me.
I know it sounds like I'm bragging--but believe me, if dojo challenges were legal I would have defeated Chuck Liddell in front of all his students a long time ago.
Unfortunately, dojo challenges aren't legal--and I doubt I could get into the UFC, because of my attitudes about showmanship. I have considered trying though.
@ Glenn: Well, I wasn't aware of the UFC until it got big on television, so I really don't know anything about it's early days or the fighters from that time. Lately I've been realizing how little I know about the martial arts "scene", due to focusing on my own training so intently over the years.
As for what a fight between highly skilled martial artists looks like, I think the world series analogy is pretty good:
You get the best two teams in the nation, but they both have such good pitchers that almost nobody gets a single hit--ironicly making it look like they both suck horribly.
The same thing happens in martial arts, half the time you just stand there staring at each other waiting for a crack in the other person's guard. When it happens, the other fighter is either blindsided and defeated right there, or they have enough skill to close their guard and render the attack almost useless--and then you're back to staring at each other again.
I actually have a video of the sparring match I had in Boston with a former Kumite champion that I've been meaning to submit to google video. Once it's up there I'll probably post a link to it here somewhere. But it really doesn't look like much--our skills pretty much canceled each other out. After about an hour we decided to call it a draw.
I teach martial arts for a living...
...and UFC heavywieght champion Chuck Liddell lives in my town, forcing me to compete with his kickboxing dojo for students.
If it wasn't hurting me financially, I probably wouldn't care--but losing money I need to pay my bills because of an inferior school's popularity has never sat well with me.
I know it sounds like I'm bragging--but believe me, if dojo challenges were legal I would have defeated Chuck Liddell in front of all his students a long time ago.
Unfortunately, dojo challenges aren't legal--and I doubt I could get into the UFC, because of my attitudes about showmanship. I have considered trying though.
@ Glenn: Well, I wasn't aware of the UFC until it got big on television, so I really don't know anything about it's early days or the fighters from that time. Lately I've been realizing how little I know about the martial arts "scene", due to focusing on my own training so intently over the years.
As for what a fight between highly skilled martial artists looks like, I think the world series analogy is pretty good:
You get the best two teams in the nation, but they both have such good pitchers that almost nobody gets a single hit--ironicly making it look like they both suck horribly.
The same thing happens in martial arts, half the time you just stand there staring at each other waiting for a crack in the other person's guard. When it happens, the other fighter is either blindsided and defeated right there, or they have enough skill to close their guard and render the attack almost useless--and then you're back to staring at each other again.
I actually have a video of the sparring match I had in Boston with a former Kumite champion that I've been meaning to submit to google video. Once it's up there I'll probably post a link to it here somewhere. But it really doesn't look like much--our skills pretty much canceled each other out. After about an hour we decided to call it a draw.
Da Monstar
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- 25 Sep 2005
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Sounds Interesting Reiku, do Link me when you do
Da Monstar
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