How do you know... ON/KUN and beyond

[Toritoribe]

Can anyone give me a short quiz of any sentences you think I would be able to do? Thanks! -te forms, adjectives, whatever...even if i fail i'll have a nice try! This time I'm going to do the hiragana and katakana as well as kanji. A lot of copy-pasting, yeah...

OK. Here's some sentences from a textbook.

ﾆ知ﾆ鍛ﾆ竹窶啌ﾂ坂??窶堙坂?堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨ窶彖窶堋｢ﾆ陳哉畜ﾆ鍛ﾆ暖窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。窶ｰﾃ??堙娯?吮??窶堙娯?堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堙闇ｽdﾅｽ窶凪?堙ｰ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨ窶彖窶堋｢窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶?ﾂ焦督、ﾂ静ｴ窶佚ｳﾂ、窶板ｿ窶板昶?堙可、窶｢ﾃ絶?｢t窶堋ｯﾂ。窶ｰﾂｽ窶堙??堙?窶版?窶堙溪?堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

Can't edit, so hey, I just found out why I had a huge problem with -deshita and -katta.

I was confusing up the -na and -i verbs! The first one is a -na verb so it gets -deshita, and the one below is -i so if it were in past, it would get -katta.

ADJECTIVES.;-)
Yeah, 窶堋ｫ窶堙ｪ窶堋｢ is indeed confusable.

 

[Putrefaction]

OK. Here's some sentences from a textbook.
ﾆ知ﾆ鍛ﾆ竹窶啌ﾂ坂??窶堙坂?堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨ窶彖窶堋｢ﾆ陳哉畜ﾆ鍛ﾆ暖窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。窶ｰﾃ??堙娯?吮??窶堙娯?堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堙闇ｽdﾅｽ窶凪?堙ｰ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨ窶彖窶堋｢窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶?ﾂ焦督、ﾂ静ｴ窶佚ｳﾂ、窶板ｿ窶板昶?堙可、窶｢ﾃ絶?｢t窶堋ｯﾂ。窶ｰﾂｽ窶堙??堙?窶版?窶堙溪?堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

Ah...I don't understand a lot of that, to be honest.
nobbo 3 go wa o(help)i robotto desu.
ie no naka no iroirona shigoto o dondon o(help)ishitekuremasu. something, wash something, ryori ni, something tsuke. nani demo something memasu.

Uh....this is going to sound weird, but anything dumber? Just throw together a sentence you think I would be able of translating based on the stuff you've generously helped me with!

I can think of one: I smoked tobacco and rode my bike (hey, may as well do something healthy!)

Tobako o sutte, jitensha ni norimasu.

...something in my brain is saying that this is this formal thing, how would i say ride my bike non-formal? I know it would be noranai if it was negative casual, i forgot is it it notte (notta)?

 

[aardwolf]

Its テツダイ and it means to help and when written with お before it, it means "helper" or "maid"。

It would be のりました rather than のります.
乗った 【ノッタ】 Is correct for casual past positive.

I think i got the main idea from those sentences...

by the way, what textbook are those from?

 

[Toritoribe]

nobbo 3 go wa o(help)i robotto desu.
ie no naka no iroirona shigoto o dondon o(help)ishitekuremasu. something, wash something, ryori ni, something tsuke. nani demo something memasu.
Uh....this is going to sound weird, but anything dumber? Just throw together a sentence you think I would be able of translating based on the stuff you've generously helped me with!

ﾆ知ﾆ鍛ﾆ竹: noppo
窶ｰﾂｽ窶堙??堙?: nan demo

The sentence structures are quite simple. I think you would be able to understand just by looking up some words in a dictionary.;-)
OK, how about this?

窶堋ｱ窶堙姑湛ﾂーﾆ致窶堙坂?扨窶堋｢ﾂ。
This soup is hot.

What's the past negative polite form of this sentence?

I know it would be noranai if it was negative casual

Right, ﾂ湘ｦ窶堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢ is the present negative informal/casual form, so what's the past one?

by the way, what textbook are those from?

A textbook for,,, uh,,, pre-school children...(I changed kana into kanji, though.)

 

[Putrefaction]

LMFAO! A textbook for pre-school children. That's definitely hilarious, man. LOL! Ah, well at least I could pass off as the intelligence of a Japanese baby!

このスープは熱い。
This soup is hot.

What's the past negative polite form of this sentence?

Well it's an -i adjective (not verb!) so then it would be (This soup wasn't hot):
このスープは熱くありませんでした.

And for informal negative past...このスープは熱くなかったです? Most likely wrong as I have no idea.

Right, 乗らない is the present negative informal/casual form, so what's the past one?

Hmm..at first I was going to put noranakatta but that's completely wrong, for adjectives and informal past tense (I think).

...A quick cheat at Wikipedia tells me I was right. I hate being stupid! 乗らなかった.

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The more I read Wikipedia the more I seem to get frustrated.
If I was talking with my friend and I wanted to say that test wasn't hard, would it be Kono shiken wa muzukashikunakatta?
日本に行かない (I am not going to Japan)? And then, 日本に行かなかった (I didn't go to Japan)? 日本に行きたくなかった (I didn't want to go to Japan)?

 

[undrentide]

Well it's an -i adjective (not verb!) so then it would be (This soup wasn't hot):
窶堋ｱ窶堙姑湛ﾂーﾆ致窶堙坂?扨窶堋ｭ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ.

And for informal negative past...窶堋ｱ窶堙姑湛ﾂーﾆ致窶堙坂?扨窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋ｭ窶堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷ? Most likely wrong as I have no idea.

窶堋ｱ窶堙姑湛ﾂーﾆ致窶堙坂?扨窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。ﾂ ﾂ?ｨﾂ 窶扨窶堋ｭ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
窶堋ｱ窶堙姑湛ﾂーﾆ致窶堙坂?扨窶堋｢ﾂ。ﾂ ﾂ?ｨﾂ 窶扨窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽﾂ。

 

[Putrefaction]

Hm. I must be blind because I don't see any difference in what I put and what you have for the first one.



As for the second one I did change it but I guess you had the unedited one. I feel good that I got it right! +rep'd undrentide! (One qq, why isn't there a desu at the end of the 2nd one? Is it unneeded for casual conversations?)

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I have noticed all I did was -i adjectives. I'm reading Japanese adjectives - Wikipedia and I see -na adjectives...they seem much harder.
I know that quiet (shizuka na) fits this, so, ongaku wa shizuka da? or something that would make more sense, ongaku wa shizuka de wa nai? Kore wa shizuka de wa nai ongaku? (or does ongaku go right after shizuka)

As I am reading the -te forms for adjectives...how would I use them? If I wanted to say that the baby is healthy and beautiful, genki de kirei da?

And another thing:

Is that, waikemasen or, haikemasen?

 

[Toritoribe]

Hm. I must be blind because I don't see any difference in what I put and what you have for the first one.
As for the second one I did change it but I guess you had the unedited one. I feel good that I got it right! +rep'd undrentide! (One qq, why isn't there a desu at the end of the 2nd one? Is it unneeded for casual conversations?)

Probably that's the one undrentide-san pointed out.

窶堋ｱ窶堙姑湛ﾂーﾆ致窶堙坂?扨窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。(polite)
窶堋ｱ窶堙姑湛ﾂーﾆ致窶堙坂?扨窶堋｢ﾂ。(informal)

Thus, 窶扨窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷ is another past negative polite form of i-adjectives.

I have noticed all I did was -i adjectives. I'm reading Japanese adjectives - Wikipedia and I see -na adjectives...they seem much harder.
I know that quiet (shizuka na) fits this, so, ongaku wa shizuka da? or something that would make more sense, ongaku wa shizuka de wa nai? Kore wa shizuka de wa nai ongaku? (or does ongaku go right after shizuka)
As I am reading the -te forms for adjectives...how would I use them? If I wanted to say that the baby is healthy and beautiful, genki de kirei da?

窶ｰﾂｹﾅ?y窶堙債静??堋ｩ窶堋ｾ
窶ｰﾂｹﾅ?y窶堙債静??堋ｩ窶堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋｢
ﾂ静??堋ｩ窶堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋｢窶ｰﾂｹﾅ?y
ﾅ陳ｳ窶ｹC窶堙??堋ｫ窶堙ｪ窶堋｢窶堋ｾ
You got the correct ones.

Is that, waikemasen or, haikemasen?

wa. that's the particle.

 

[Putrefaction]

Holy. Crap. I've rarely been correct! This is a monumental day for me. I still have to remember to scan that sheet I gave my teacher...

Anyways, now inevitably comes my question of the -i adjectives and -te forms, though now that I got the -na's right, the -i's should be easy. I think, isogashii and...hmm...I guess I can't go off without omoshiroi.

先週は忙しくてにぎやかで面白かった. (くなかった if it was past tense!)

 

[aardwolf]

Holy. Crap. I've rarely been correct! This is a monumental day for me. I still have to remember to scan that sheet I gave my teacher...

Anyways, now inevitably comes my question of the -i adjectives and -te forms, though now that I got the -na's right, the -i's should be easy. I think, isogashii and...hmm...I guess I can't go off without omoshiroi.

ﾂ静ｦﾂ週窶堙坂?纏窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堙??堙俄?堋ｬ窶堙｢窶堋ｩ窶堙??禿岩?昶?吮?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ. (窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ if it was past tense!)

Good job!

I think thats all correct! but 窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ is past andﾂ 窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ is negative past.

ﾆ知ﾆ鍛ﾆ竹: noppo
窶ｰﾂｽ窶堙??堙?: nan demo
The sentence structures are quite simple. I think you would be able to understand just by looking up some words in a dictionary.;-)

Yeah, they werent that hard once i looked up the cleaning words and 'tanomu' and noppo, still not sure what that is...

Lanky thing (???) #3 is a robot maid(help, housecleaner).
noppo#3 helps with various things around the house (often, steadily? not sure how to work "dondon" into this sentence)
Cleaning, Laundry, Cooking, and tidying up. (dont know why there is a ni after ryouri)
You can request anything.

A textbook for,,, uh,,, pre-school children...(I changed kana into kanji, though.)

AHAHAHAHAAA XD
How terrible!

Here's some practice!
窶彡窶吮??窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙債、窶堋ｨ窶ｹﾃ?ﾅｽﾂ昶?堋ｿ窶堙?、窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｱ窶堙ｦ窶堋ｭ窶堙?、窶督｣窶氾坂?廬窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙

 

[Putrefaction]

Hmm...I'm not too sure on naming, but tanaka san wa okane mochide kakko yokute miryokuteki desu ne?

Well, from what I can piece together, Tanaka san is extremely fascinated with holding money. kakko isn't a word familiar to me, and is yokute a -te form for good? (ii -> yoku -> yokute)

As for the pre-school, I'm glad it was that much! If it was any lower I'd start to have self esteem problems I repped you both, it took forever for me to do so for Toritoribe. I'm on ~490 Kanji and Lesson 6/parts of 7 in Genki.

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From one of Elizabeth's posts in the "difference between two sentences" I saw

これは日本で売っていない本です。

utteinai hon desu is the part where I get confused. I can understand how utte is the -te form of uru, and so what I think is that the inai is iru -> informal/casual negative, inai, but the hon at the end without an o, is that acceptable?

 

[aardwolf]

I belive 'Tanaka' is the most common reading of 窶彡窶吮??(maybe the only, but i dont know)

窶ｹﾃ?ﾅｽﾂ昶?堋ｿﾂ means 'rich person' (literally money-have) so works with nouns and acts like the ﾂ〜窶堙?・ﾂ〜窶堙 for nouns

ﾅ?iﾂ好ﾂ【窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｱ窶堋､ﾂ】ﾂ Means appearance, and of course
窶堋｢窶堋｢ﾂ・窶堙ｦ窶堋｢ Means good (remember whenever you conjugate 窶堋｢窶堋｢ﾂ you must turn it into 窶堙ｦ窶堋｢, even inﾂ 窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｱ窶堋｢窶堋｢ ), 窶堋ｾ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ
窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｱ窶堋｢窶堋｢ is like cool/good style
窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｱ窶堙ｦ窶堋ｭ窶堙 is "having good style/being cool, and..."

窶督｣窶氾坂?廬
Is a ~na adjective meaning charming.


How do you give rep?

I dont think i understand your other question... the hon doesnt need an 'o'
nai is acting like an adjective with hon... heres another example:
窶堋ｱ窶堙娯?怒窶堋ｪﾂ（窶堙ｰﾂ）窶昶?樞?堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙遺?堋｢ﾂ坂?
A country where that book is not selling.
Im not sure whether to use wo or ga though 窶堋ｷ窶堙懌?堙ｱ

 

[Toritoribe]

Yeah, they werent that hard once i looked up the cleaning words and 'tanomu' and noppo, still not sure what that is...

のっぽ(ノッポ) means "tall/gangly," or "a gangly person/thing." Probably 3号 would be for "the third version" in this case.

noppo#3 helps with various things around the house (often, steadily? not sure how to work "dondon" into this sentence)

どんどん has a nuanse of "doing the works one after another."

Cleaning, Laundry, Cooking, and tidying up. (dont know why there is a ni after ryouri)

That's the appositive usage of に as same meaning as と, a quite similar structure to "A, B, C, and D" in English.

From one of Elizabeth's posts in the "difference between two sentences" I saw
utteinai hon desu is the part where I get confused. I can understand how utte is the -te form of uru, and so what I think is that the inai is iru -> informal/casual negative, inai, but the hon at the end without an o, is that acceptable?

日本で売っていない is the adnominal/adjectival clause modifying 本, as aardwolf-san explained. Thus, the core structure of the sentence is "これは本です." That's why を isn't needed. Does this make sense?;-)

この本が（を）売っていない国
A country where that book is not selling.
Im not sure whether to use wo or ga though

この本を売っていない国
この本が売られていない国

 

[aardwolf]

のっぽ(ノッポ) means "tall/gangly," or "a gangly person/thing." Probably 3号 would be for "the third version" in this case.

Gotcha.

どんどん has a nuanse of "doing the works one after
another."

Can you give me another example?

That's the appositive usage of に as same meaning as と, a quite similar structure to "A, B, C, and D" in English.

んん、わかったんですけど、「ｘにｘにｘにｘ」と「ｘとｘとｘとｘ」とはだと思っていました (this is probably insanely incorrect)
I thought it was "x ni x ni x ni x" or "x to x to x to x"

この本を売っていない国
この本が売られていない国

I need to learn the right particles that go with certain verbs when i learn them. In fact i'd like to start a list of verbs and the particles to use with them, do you know any websites that would be a good place to start?

Also, Putrefaction!:
Lets start a group or something, ive seen the 'noob squad' on other websites, is that too offensive? do you want to join? x)

 

[Putrefaction]

n00b > pre-school so I'll join for sure!

Also I have 32 hours of work...and a public health midterm on Monday! Aaah! I'll have to review this on Tuesday or something...

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暖 vs 温
Is this weather vs object again, like atsui?

 

[Toritoribe]

Can you give me another example?

窶?ﾂ焦凪?ｹ@窶堙哉担ﾆ蓄窶堙ｰ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱ窶ｹz窶堋｢ﾂ最ｾ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
ﾂ工ﾂ湘ｪ窶堙??堙債青ｻ窶｢i窶堋ｪ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱﾂ催ｬ窶堙ｧ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

窶堙ｱ窶堙ｱﾂ、窶堙ｭ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｯ窶堙?、ﾂ「窶塒懌?堙俄?塒懌?堙俄?塒懌?堙俄?塒慊」窶堙?「窶塒懌?堙??塒懌?堙??塒懌?堙??塒慊」窶堙??堙坂?堋ｾ窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ (this is probably insanely incorrect)
I thought it was "x ni x ni x ni x" or "x to x to x to x"

Off course, you can use "A窶堙隠窶堙韻窶堙吋(窶堙?/A窶堙?窶堙?窶堙?(窶堙?", too.

I need to learn the right particles that go with certain verbs when i learn them. In fact i'd like to start a list of verbs and the particles to use with them, do you know any websites that would be a good place to start?

Yeah, particles are quite tough to grasp.

Category:Japanese particles - Wiktionary

The explanations are just summaries but seem not bad. The important ones are the case particles, 窶堋ｪ, 窶堙ｰ, 窶堙? 窶堙? 窶堙? 窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ, 窶堙ｦ窶堙ｨ, 窶堙懌?堙? 窶堙?

窶冏 vs 窶ｰﾂｷ
Is this weather vs object again, like atsui?

Basically, yes.

 

[aardwolf]

窶?ﾂ焦凪?ｹ@窶堙哉担ﾆ蓄窶堙ｰ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱ窶ｹz窶堋｢ﾂ最ｾ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
ﾂ工ﾂ湘ｪ窶堙??堙債青ｻ窶｢i窶堋ｪ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱﾂ催ｬ窶堙ｧ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

Hmmmm i see! How would you translate these?
My guess:
The vacuum cleaner sucked up all the dust (dont know how to add the dondon)
At the factory, lots of products are made (ahahah agian >.< dont know how to add the dondon)

Off course, you can use "A窶堙隠窶堙韻窶堙吋(窶堙?/A窶堙?窶堙?窶堙?(窶堙?", too.

Okay

Yeah, particles are quite tough to grasp.
The explanations are just summaries but seem not bad. The important ones are the case particles, 窶堋ｪ, 窶堙ｰ, 窶堙? 窶堙? 窶堙? 窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ, 窶堙ｦ窶堙ｨ, 窶堙懌?堙? 窶堙?

You are always very nice!
Thank you!

 

[Toritoribe]

Hmmmm i see! How would you translate these?
My guess:
The vacuum cleaner sucked up all the dust (dont know how to add the dondon)
At the factory, lots of products are made (ahahah agian >.< dont know how to add the dondon)

something like "over and over" for 窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱ?

 

[aardwolf]

the vacuum cleaner sucked all the bits of dust up one after the other.

悪い・・・ もう一度、問題がある


Ｈｏｗ ｗｏｕｌｄ ａ ｍａｎ ｕｓｅ の？
もういくの ≫ もういくんだ？

 

[Toritoribe]

窶喩窶堋鞘?壺?板 窶壺?披?堋鞘?壺?｢窶塲停?壺?楪 窶堋? 窶堋坂?堋≫?塲ｽﾂ 窶壺?｢窶壺?懌?壺?ｦﾂ 窶堙個？
窶堙?窶堋､窶堋｢窶堋ｭ窶堙個 ﾂ?｢ﾂ 窶堙?窶堋､窶堋｢窶堋ｭ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｾﾂ？

Depending on the context.
To say in falling intonation something like 窶堋ｲ窶堙溪?堙ｱ窶堙仰、窶堙?窶堋､ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙 as same nuanse as 窶堙?窶堋､ﾂ行窶堋ｩ窶堙遺?堋ｫ窶堙｡("sorry, I have to leave soon"), yes, a male would use 窶堙?窶堋､ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｾ for that. But when asking in rising intonation if the listener goes, 窶堙?窶堋､ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙 can be used by both male and female. 窶堙?窶堋､ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙娯?堋ｩ is also used by male.

These colloquial expressions are so different by regions and generations. Actually, I myself would use the dialect 窶堙?窶堋､ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｩ for 窶堙?窶堋､ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙娯?堋ｩ with my friends or family. But old men might use 窶堙?窶堋､ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｩ/窶堙?窶堋､ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙??堙｢.

 

[aardwolf]

Depending on the context.
To say in falling intonation something like ごめんね、もう行くの as same nuanse as もう行かなきゃ("sorry, I have to leave soon"), yes, a male would use もう行くんだ for that. But when asking in rising intonation if the listener goes, もう行くの can be used by both male and female. もう行くのか is also used by male.

These colloquial expressions are so different by regions and generations. Actually, I myself would use the dialect もう行くんか for もう行くのか with my friends or family. But old men might use もう行くだか/もう行くでや

I think ill try and pick up an old man speech pattern XP nooo, ill start using ギザ and ガンス
lmaooo ギザ説明してアリガトウガンス～

okay:

Rising intonation = question
falling intonation = explanation

のか = (rising) not distinctly effeminate or manly
んか = (rising) more manly
の(falling) = neuter
の(rising) = feminine
んだ(rising) = more manly(?) (this is what i originally meant to ask, when you use it with a rising intonation. Is this okay?)
んだ = (falling) more manly

Is this right?

also...
～じゃん is the shortened form of じゃねー≫じゃない？ so its like saying "isnt that _____?" this is highly feminine right? only the girls in the anime im watching use it.

and~ きゃ
You use this quite a bit it seems, what does it mean? is it related to ちゃう？
also, is one definition of ちゃう a shortened form of ちがう？

よろしくね

 

[Toritoribe]

okay:

Rising intonation = question
falling intonation = explanation

のか = (rising) not distinctly effeminate or manly
んか = (rising) more manly
の(falling) = neuter
の(rising) = feminine
んだ(rising) = more manly(?) (this is what i originally meant to ask, when you use it with a rising intonation. Is this okay?)
んだ = (falling) more manly

Is this right?

Uh, I have to say it's tough or risky to generalize the nuance.
行く、行くね、行くわ、行くよ、行くぜ、行くぞ、行くか、行くな、行くから,,, there are tons of expression even for the statement "I'll go" by male in standerd Japanese. Sentence final particles are EXTREMELY hard to grasp far more than case particles in a sense.

～じゃん is the shortened form of じゃねー≫じゃない？ so its like saying "isnt that _____?" this is highly feminine right? only the girls in the anime im watching use it.

No. じゃん as the sentence final particle is not the contraction of じゃない. It's a dialect originally used in Yokohama.

and~ きゃ
You use this quite a bit it seems, what does it mean? is it related to ちゃう？

きゃ is the contraction of ければ(e.g. 行かなきゃ = 行かなければ), quite frequently used both by male and female in conversation. Similarly, ちゃう is the contraction of てしまう(笑っちゃう = 笑ってしまう).

also, is one definition of ちゃう a shortened form of ちがう？

ちゃう means ちがう in Kansai dialect.

 

[undrentide]

窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ means 窶堋ｿ窶堋ｪ窶堋､ in Kansai dialect.

And another 窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ is shortened 窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､ﾂ。
ﾂ債｢窶堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ﾂ??債｢窶堙≫?堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､

 

[aardwolf]

Uh, I have to say it's tough or risky to generalize the nuance.
ﾂ行窶堋ｭﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙仰、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙ｭﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙ｦﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堋ｺﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堋ｼﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堋ｩﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙按、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ,,, there are tons of expression even for the statement "I'll go" by male in standerd Japanese. Sentence final particles are EXTREMELY hard to grasp far more than case particles in a sense.

Okay

No. 窶堋ｶ窶堙｡窶堙ｱ as the sentence final particle is not the contraction of 窶堋ｶ窶堙｡窶堙遺?堋｢. It's a dialect originally used in Yokohama.

窶堋ｪ窶堙≫?堙??堙ｱﾂ〜

窶堋ｫ窶堙｡ is the contraction of 窶堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙?e.g. ﾂ行窶堋ｩ窶堙遺?堋ｫ窶堙｡ = ﾂ行窶堋ｩ窶堙遺?堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙?, quite frequently used both by male and female in conversation. Similarly, 窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ is the contraction of 窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､(ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ = ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､).
窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ means 窶堋ｿ窶堋ｪ窶堋､ in Kansai dialect.

Hmm okay thanks, thats aloooot easier that 窶堙遺?堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙篠

How does ﾂ〜窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ conjugate?

And another 窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ is shortened 窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､ﾂ。
ﾂ債｢窶堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ﾂ??債｢窶堙≫?堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､

ﾂ 窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､

 

[Toritoribe]

How does ﾂ〜窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ conjugate?

ﾂ〜窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ conjugates as a godan verb.
e.g.
Past: ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堙≫?堋ｽ
Negative: ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堙ｭ窶堙遺?堋｢
Pre-masu form: ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋｢(窶堙懌?堋ｷ)
Te-form: ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堙≫?堙
Potential: ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋ｦ窶堙ｩ
Imperative: ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋ｦ
Volitional: ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋ｨ窶堋､

But the causative form 窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堙ｭ窶堋ｹ窶堙ｩ and the passive form 窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堙ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｩ would be rarely used.