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窶堋サ窶堋、窶堋ゥツ?ツ


ニ痴ニ停?ヲニ蛋ニ椎槌稚ニ叩ニ誰ニ歎ニ棚ニ停?慊:
This is from your other thread "book help needed", lol

My studies are going well, thanks!
I'm thinking of taking the jlpt3 but I don't think my kanji are up to snuff. Honestly, I love studying Japanese but I can't sit myself down to remembering the kanji and just study like I can with Japanese grammar.

How are your studies going?
 
I'm exactly the opposite of you, I got ~800 Kanji down but am slowly forgetting readings and how to write and sometimes what they mean, as I study more grammar and vocab it too is starting to slip away. Plus, I never do get them perfect, I always mess up on tenses and readings and such. I'm also going to try to take the JLPT3 maybe next year.

I usually do a thorough review from 1-where I am every few months, I think at the end of the summer I will have to do one again.
 
Woah, nice!
I'm hoping to get a ds and some kanji games to up my kanji skill lol.

I think eventually it will all even out you know?

that review idea is pretty smart, ill have to adopt that
 
Well, the only reason I do the review is the reason I stated above, I can't keep everything in my head between school, work and Japanese, so I do the review. It's kind of like taking a semester and then studying for a test, you know? For example I stated that I did a complete Genki review, there were a lot of words I remember doing but I forgot! I also have to do a bit of grammar, hopefully you're right and I can tie them both together. I have Kanji Trainer for the PSP, unfortunately I can't use it yet as I don't know all the vocab, and my friend has my DS. iPhone, I have three Japanese applications and one dictionary. No grammar as of yet, all Kanji and stuff.

You're probably doing it the better way, though, 800 Kanji and I can't use a good 400 of them.
 
Oh very nice, well that makes sense.
oh, i didnt know there were kanji games for the psp! thats cool, but i think the ds is the better choice with the stylus and all oh yeah, the iphone is good for japanese things, what dictionary do you use?
 
I use the free one, kotoba. I have "Kanji" by lima sky (99c) iKanji (9.99, recent, nothing that Kanji doesnt do but kinda owrth it), another iKanji for 99c that is worthless for me at this point. Kotoba is amazing. romaji, partials, you name it. Now that copy paste exists, is gonna be aweosme.
 
yeah for sure, 僕も「詞」って言うアップの辞典を使うよ
僕はすごいと思う。

I also have Kanji by limasky, its pretty good, i wish they gave more compound examples though
 
There's not much else iKanji does that Kanji by Lima does, they separate by grade, give many more examples, but Kotoba also has some examples, I think. You use any other ones?
Tomorrow I'm done reviewing Genki, I think. I'll do the postcards, dictionary and then move onto Genki II. Hopefully someone will make sure my Chapter 12 is good.


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I also had some additional questions.
たくさん - many or a lot, modifies nouns, anything else?
多い - the same as above, if I'm not mistaken. Does this get used in the same way?
豊かな - yutakana,
小さい - small, when contrasting size?
少し - few, when in contradiction to having a lot?
chotto - the same as above, modifies both adjectives and nouns?
totemo and sugoku?

Another small, is ato and ato de the same? As in, can I say gakko no ato... / gakko no ato de, ... ?

Sorry, another, if I wanted to say, "Are you planning to do anything interesting in the summer", would this work:
夏休みの時に何かするつもりだ?(the basic, which I am 99% sure is right)
夏休みの時に何か面白い事をするつもりだ?(99% wrong, it doesn't look right, my first instinct was to put 面白い before 何か, but that didn't look right either, hmm....)
 
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窶愿ア窶愿コツ税停?堋「窶堙?/COLOR]窶堙ア窶堙??堋キツ。
ナスツク窶堋、 is often used for more "big" thing, like ナ?テウ窶転窶堙ーナスツク窶堋、, ツ信窶廃窶堙ーナスツク窶堋、, 窶牢ツ催?ナスY窶堙ーナスツク窶堋、...

ナスナスナ陳ア窶堋ェナスn窶堙溪?堙ゥ窶堙ア窶堙??堋キツ。
ナスナスナ陳ア窶堋ェナスn窶堙彈/COLOR]窶堙ゥ窶堙ア窶堙??堋キツ。

窶「テ冷?ケツュ窶堋オ窶ーテ溪?堋ャ窶堋ス窶堋ゥ窶堙ァツ、窶脳窶堙ィツ寝窶堙Ъ/COLOR]窶堙遺?堋「窶堙ア窶堙??堋キツ。
ツ×ニ坦ニ停?愴痴ニ停?ヲツーニ耽窶堙ーナスg窶堋「窶堋キ窶堋ャ窶堋ス窶堋ゥ窶堙ァツ、窶堙ヲ窶堋ュ窶堙遺?堙ィ窶堙懌?堋オ窶堋ス窶堙ア窶堙??堋キツ。
ツ×窶怒窶堙ー窶愿??堙昶?ーテ溪?堋ャ窶堋ス窶堋ゥ窶堙ァツ、窶慊ェ窶堋ェ窶堙ヲ窶堋ュ窶堙遺?堙ィ窶堙懌?堋オ窶堋ス窶堙ア窶堙??堋キツ。
窶ーテ娯?堙ー窶ーテ娯?堋「窶ーテ溪?堋ャ窶堋ス窶堋ゥ窶堙ァツ、ツ青コ窶堋ェツ出窶堙遺?堋「窶堙ア窶堙??堋キツ。
窶ケテ吮?卍」窶堋オ窶ーテ溪?堋ャ窶堋ス窶堋ゥ窶堙ァツ、窶堋ス窶堋ュ窶堋ウ窶堙ア窶添窶堙ェ窶堋ス窶堙ア窶堙??堋キツ。

The main clause after ツ〜窶堋オ窶ーテ溪?堋ャ窶堋ス窶堋ゥ窶堙ァ must be negative thing.
e.g.
窶怒窶堙ー窶愿??堙昶?ーテ溪?堋ャ窶堋ス窶堋ゥ窶堙ァツ、窶禿壺?堋ェ窶敕ヲ窶堙ェ窶堙?(窶堋「ツ)窶堙ゥ窶堙ア窶堙??堋キツ。

ツ債。窶愿コ窶堙債、ナ?ツヲ窶ーテ溪?堋ャ窶堙ゥ窶堋ゥ窶堙ァツ、ナ?wツ校窶堙可行窶堋ォ窶堋ス窶堋ュ窶堋?窶堙ィ窶堙懌?堋ケ窶堙アツ。
(ナ?ツヲ窶堋キ窶堋ャ窶堙懌?堋キ窶堋ゥ窶堙ァ is acceptable, but ナ?ツヲ窶堋キ窶堋ャ窶堙ゥ窶堋ゥ窶堙ァ sounds more natural.)
ツ催ー窶愿コツ、ニ弾ニ椎槌池窶堙ーナ陳ゥ窶ーテ溪?堋ャ窶堙懌?堋オ窶堋スツ。

窶堋ィ窶「テェ窶堋ウ窶堙ア窶堙嫁スティナス窶?窶堙ーツ鞘?倪?堋「窶堋ス窶堙吮?堋、窶堋ェ窶堋「窶堋「窶堙??堋キツ。
窶「テェ generally refers to the speaker's own mother.
窶ーナ停?伉絶?堙ー窶ケz窶堙ュ窶堙遺?堋「窶堙吮?堋、窶堋ェ窶堋「窶堋「窶堙??堋キツ。

You can also say
窶愿コ窶怒ナ津ェ窶堙ー窶「テ冷?ケツュ窶堋オ窶堋ス窶堋「窶堙娯?堙?、窶愿コ窶怒窶堙俄??COLOR="Red"]窶堙懌?堋オ窶堋ス
ツ。
ツ親ツ静倪?堙遺?堙娯?堙?、窶敕楪鞘?披?堋ェツ好窶堋ォ窶堙??堋キツ。

ニ湛ニ弾ニ達ツーニ置窶堋ウ窶堙ア窶堙債、ツ(ツ債。ツ)窶ーツス窶堙ー窶堋オ窶堙??堋「窶堙懌?堋キ窶堋ゥツ?
ツ?ィ窶「窶昶?ーツョ窶堙ー窶?ツ焦凪?堋オ窶堙??堋「窶堙ゥ窶堙??堋オ窶堙・窶堋、ツ。
ツ?ィナ?O窶堙?COLOR="Red"]窶ーナ停?伉絶?堙ー
窶ケz窶堙≫?堙??堋「窶堙ゥ窶堙??堋オ窶堙・窶堋、ツ。
 

窶堋ス窶堋ュ窶堋ウ窶堙ア and 窶伉ス窶堋「 both refers to the volume/quantity, 窶堋ス窶堋ュ窶堋ウ窶堙ア is a little more colloquial than 窶伉ス窶堋「.

窶鏑窶堋ゥ窶堙 means rich, plentiful, it has positive connotation.

ツ渉ャ窶堋ウ窶堋「 is about size, opposite to 窶佚・窶堋ォ窶堋「. (Like little dog, big dog)

ツ渉ュ窶堋オ is referring to the volume.

窶堋ソ窶堙・窶堙≫?堙 is colloquial, meaning is the same as ツ渉ュ窶堋オ.

窶堙??堙??堙? and 窶堋キ窶堋イ窶堋ュ means almost the same, only 窶堋キ窶堋イ窶堋ュ is more colloquial and informal than 窶堙??堙??堙?. (More formal way of saying 窶堙??堙??堙? is 窶敕アツ湘ュ窶堙可)

Another small, is ato and ato de the same? As in, can I say gakko no ato... / gakko no ato de, ... ?


Actually the first sentence sounds wrong, the latter is better though I think ナスナセ is not necessary.

窶ーテ??ケx窶堙拏U]窶堙閏/U]窶ーツス窶堙ー窶堋キ窶堙ゥ窶堙や?堙?窶堙ィ窶堋セツ?
窶ーテ??ケx窶堙拏U]窶堙閏/U]窶ーツス窶堋ゥ窶禿岩?昶?吮?堋「窶堋ア窶堙??堙ー窶堋キ窶堙ゥ窶堙や?堙?窶堙ィ窶堋セツ?
(Using 窶堋セ at the end of a question sounds a bit strong... as if cross-examining.
 
If you want a 窶堙 phrase, XXXsomething after 窶ーテ??ケx窶堙

ツ(窶堋ア窶堙個)窶ーテ??ケx窶堙昶?堙固?テ披?堙俄?ーツス窶堙ー窶堋キ窶堙ゥ窶堙や?堙?窶堙ィ窶堙??堋キ窶堋ゥツ。is better than ナスナセ I think.
ツ(窶堋ア窶堙個)窶ーテ??ケx窶堙昶?堙固?テ披?堙俄?ーツス窶堋ゥ窶禿岩?昶?吮?堋「窶堋ア窶堙??堙ー窶堋キ窶堙ゥ窶堙??堋キ窶堋ゥツ?

窶ーテ??ケx窶堙昶?堙債、窶ーツス窶堋ゥ窶禿岩?昶?吮?堋「窶堋ア窶堙??堙ー窶堋キ窶堙ゥ窶堙??堋キ窶堋ゥツ?ツ
 

As to the last two lines, I assume you meant 窶ーツス窶堋ゥ窶禿岩?昶?吮?堋「窶堋ア窶堙??堙ー窶堋キ窶堙ゥ窶堙や?堙?窶堙ィ窶堙??堋キ窶堋ゥツ?
 
As to the last two lines, I assume you meant 何か面白いことをするつもりですか?
HAWT! Oooooohhh Oooooohhhh!!! Yrrrrr。。。コピペしすぎて、間違って二重に削除してしまいましたよ。

- that's just plain ugly!
 
Wow, a flock of new posts! I'm so happy! I will have to check them after work!

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So I'm home now. Gave rep to tori, und and eliz. Thanks again guys!!

Time for quotes and comment-questions!
始まるんです。
Is there any hajimeru? Just wondering.

余り寝てないんです。
If I put the -ta form, could the form also be netanaindesu?

The main clause after ~し過ぎたから must be negative thing.
Got it. Is there a phrase for a positive one?

(寒すぎますから is acceptable, but 寒すぎるから sounds more natural.)
That's right, I remember you saying that the short form is more appropriate with the kara.
Also, no idea where the ri came from.

煙草を吸わないほうがいいです。
→外で煙草を吸っているでしょう。
Are you always supposed to specify that you're smoking tobacco? (Awkward question, but I think you know what I mean.)

豊かな means rich, plentiful, it has positive connotation.
Is it used the same way as takusan / ooi?

小さい is about size, opposite to 大きい. (Like little dog, big dog)
Oh I see, physical size.

少し is referring to the volume.
So this is the opposite of takusan / ooi, chotto / sukoshi, respectively colloquial.

とても and すごく means almost the same, only すごく is more colloquial and informal than とても. (More formal way of saying とても is 非常に)
Got it. (hijo ni?)

And er, was the gakko no ato / gakko no ato de similar? I see in this post it was used, so I was just wondering!

Oh no! I thought it was right! I guess I can't think of a no toki sentence. :\
I guess I was right on the second part, I was very unsure about it though!

If you want a の phrase, XXXsomething after 夏休み
I'm sorry, I don't understand? Well, I understand your sentences, but hm?

Also lol @ your hawt post. So weird!

Thank you very much undrentide and toritoribe and elizabeth
 
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Is there any hajimeru? Just wondering.
始める; transitive verb
始まる; intransitive verb

先生は試験を始めた。
試験が始まった。

If I put the -ta form, could the form also be netanaindesu?
The past form of 寝て(い)ない is 寝て(い)なかった, not 寝た(い)ない.;-)

Is there a phrase for a positive one?
For instance, よく/たくさん~したので/から

たくさん勉強したので、成績が上がりました。

Are you always supposed to specify that you're smoking tobacco? (Awkward question, but I think you know what I mean.)
Right. Basically you need to say 煙草を吸う for "to smoke (tobacco)".
 
Oh no! I thought it was right! I guess I can't think of a no toki sentence. :\I guess I was right on the second part, I was very unsure about it though!


I'm sorry, I don't understand? Well, I understand your sentences, but hm?
ツ「ナスナセツ」窶堙ーツ、ツ「ナ?テ板」窶堙??冰窶堋ォナ?ツキ窶堋ヲ窶堋ス窶「テサ窶堋ェナスツゥ窶漏窶堙??堋オ窶堙・窶堋、ツ。

ツ「ナスナセツ」窶堙債、ツ「ナ?テ板」窶堙??冰窶堋ォナ?ツキ窶堋ヲ窶堙懌?堋キツ。ツ?ツ?ツ?


窶恠窶堙固スナセツ、窶冏窶堋ゥ窶堋「窶「ナセ窶堙ー窶堙ュ窶堋ス窶堋オ窶堙娯?堙??堋ア窶堙ォ窶堙俄?倪?披?堙≫?堙??禿。窶堋「窶堙懌?堋キツ。(窶堙固スナセ窶堙固スg窶堋「窶「テサ窶堙娯?氾。窶「ツカツ)ツ。
 
I sent you an email of a further inquiry, Elizabeth. Unless you'd like to publicly discuss it?

Also I completely missed your post, Toritoribe!

先生は試験を始めた。
試験が始まった。

So one, since I don't know what those words mean, is started by a person, the other is a thing starting?

The past form of 寝て(い)ない is 寝て(い)なかった, not 寝た(い)ない.
Oh whoops! Duh!

Right. Basically you need to say 煙草を吸う for "to smoke (tobacco)".

Got it, in the US we usually just say "smoke", which is why I put it there. I'll remember to use tobacco.

たくさん勉強したので、成績が上がりました。
I assume you can state this as benkyou shi sugita no de, so the ending 上がりました is used to imply a positive outcome?
 
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Got it, in the US we usually just say "smoke", which is why I put it there. I'll remember to use tobacco.
You can use "smoke" alone if "tobacco" is understand, or in a response to the topic being established.
I assume it has to do with 吸う taking other verbs besides smoke (inhale, slurp, absorb, suck up etc)...


タバコをすいますか?前は、吸っていましたが、やめました。(Do you smoke (tobacco) ?
I used to smoke, but I've dropped it.


I assume you can state this as benkyou shi sugita no de, so the ending 上がりました is used to imply a positive outcome?
To do something to an excessive degree and expect an affirmative result ?/ ☝
 
Right, when one studies a lot, one gets smart, which is an affirmative result, right?

勉強し過ぎたから、頭がよくなりましたんです ? ? 上がりました
I can't think of how to make this sentence.

So assuming I'm wrong, how would you combine it with たくさん勉強したので?
I studied a lot so I grew smart.

By the way, I appreciate the rapid fast posts!
 
窶ーテ溪?堋ャ窶堙ゥ is usually translated inherantly negative, though, as in "too much" of a particular state.
 
Oh, hm. Can you tell me if this sentence makes sense.

I studied a lot so I grew smart.
たくさん勉強したので, 頭がよくなりました.

I understand that this is probably a literal translation but I'm trying to work in 上がりました (other than Tori's たくさん勉強したので、成績が上がりました example).
 
It looks fine, to my non-native eye.

 
It might be more natural to replace "Time" with "Among".​
"Time" is replaced by "Among". ???​

Among doesn't make sense to me, but I get what it means. Thanks!
 
It might be more natural to replace "Time" with "Among".​
"Time" is replaced by "Among". ???​
Among doesn't make sense to me, but I get what it means. Thanks!

ナ?テ in this case is not "among" but "during".
 
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