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Last thing you want to do is bounce to another woman. If you choose to start dating I think you need to be upfront atleast and let them know your not looking for a serious relationship. You'll probably many that will lose interest and others that will be game. Like everyone else has said. Your young and, more or less infatuated again because now your back to square one thinking about how you want what you don't have.

Enjoy life now and breath in the freedom. Better to do it now than to possibly regret it later. Some relationships are worth it and others are gateway relationships that mold you into a person who will be able to detect which person is right for you.
 
Glenn said:
I think she called him.


That's not the impression I and others here got. He said, "I broke down and talked to her." Yes, it is a bit vague on who called whom. We'll need some clarification.
 
He also said she started the conversation. So I get the feeling she called him and he answered. Found out it was her and instead of ending the conversation there, "he broke down and talked to her"
 
Damicci said:
He also said she started the conversation. So I get the feeling she called him and he answered. Found out it was her and instead of ending the conversation there, "he broke down and talked to her"

thats what happend. well ive dont alot of talk with some friends and a trusted supervisor at work about this.

He feels that either she is playing me trying to make me want her more or she is telling the turth and im not meeting her needs and wants. which is also partly true. He also sujested not to be to judgemental about the other guy either she mislead him also or that he may be a "dick" as most guys can be and used her weakness to win her over. Also the best thing for me right now is to find out what I want and how to get it and not to try and please her and maybe this fight was a eye opener that will put in the right direction.

as said before about the love hotels and such. This relationship may of started more a sexual/physical but I do belive that there is more then that now. I just wish there was some way that i could convice her that she is making a mistake but maybe i should let her learn that on her own and if need be end it all with her. A friend is one thing but im not sure i can be friends with someone after a relationship like that. It just wouldnt be the same. you know you have sex with someone a few hundred times you kinda get to know them...
 
Carlson said:
you know you have sex with someone a few hundred times you kinda get to know them...
Uh, maybe. You probably know the centimeters of her "lower regions" than you actually know her. This would especially be true if you didn't see this coming.

You've known her for about a year and had sex with her "a few hundred times?" She must be pretty worn out by now. (I am tempted to say something about Mike Cash's truck, but it won't.)

Maybe you both need some time to reflect on what you want for a while. If it is meant to work out and you get back together, great. If not, then it was meant to be for that too.
 
You've known her for about a year and had sex with her "a few hundred times?" She must be pretty worn out by now. (I am tempted to say something about Mike Cash's truck, but it won't.)

About 3 times a day every day? or did you lock yourself in a room for the week ends?
Now I understand you don't love her you are addicted to her!!!
 
I dont know what im feeling right now.
im crying as i write this... I want her back so much and i cant get her i dont know what to do. ive tryied everything i can and nothing seems to work. Ive even tryed emailing kris asking telling him how much i love her and if he is a good guy he will let me keep her..what do ido....imnot even sure why im asking you guys. im sure that many of have been around much longer then I and are much more wise.. im not sure if i will be around the forum for a while... so sorry..
 
Carlson, buddy, you're going through withdrawl. You're going to make it through this. You might feel pretty low for a while, but breaking down is not going to do you any good. Ultimately how you handle this is up to you, but I think you'll come out stronger for it. My thoughts go out to you, best of luck.
 
Carlson, my friend.

Remember you have many friends, and we care about you. You can make it through this, friend, and we will be here to help. I know what it's like to lose someone dear, and I know it's rough. But you'll get over this, and when you do, you'll be a wiser man for it.

Stay around. No matter what happens with her, we are always glad to see you around. I know I am.
 
It happened to me too a few times, in the beginning it hurts and you ask yourself why. But after a while you get over it, go out and have some fun ! :)
 
Carlson said:
I dont know what im feeling right now.
im crying as i write this... I want her back so much and i cant get her i dont know what to do. ive tryied everything i can and nothing seems to work. Ive even tryed emailing kris asking telling him how much i love her and if he is a good guy he will let me keep her..what do ido....imnot even sure why im asking you guys. im sure that many of have been around much longer then I and are much more wise.. im not sure if i will be around the forum for a while... so sorry..

I feel for you, but you can't let yourself turn into a pile of mush. Getting the other dude involved is definitely not going to help you. You're young, chalk it up to experience. Us older guys have been there and done that. Blubbering to her is not going to win her over. Reverse psychology would be a better way, just ignore her. Get out of the house and do something for youself. You need to raise your self-esteem. Staying away from her is the most important thing for you to do.

Pamper yourself. Hang in there!
 
Carlson,
Just like they all say...when you get bucked by a horse, get right back up on there...only this time, you get a new horse, and you will realize that it is even more fun to ride than the old one! :-)
 
Carlson,

I agree 100% with all of the above since your last post.

You have to make a clean break. Chalk it up to experience and think of it as a life experience that is needed to learn and grow. Please do NOT leave the forum! We are here for you anytime you need to vent or whenever you need support.


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RockLee said:
Hmm, sounds like a good time to break up man. I'm sorry, but that's how I think about it. If she's having doubts, and talks about another guy..that's BAD! If she falls for another dude that easy she's obviously not worth your time. Meh women :D
I agree, if my woman was talking like that I'de have already packed my bags and left her there to do whatever she wants.
No point wasting feelings time and effort on a woman who openly talks about other men and the possibility of infidelity with them.
sorry, had to ask... In all honesty, in response to her talking about "this guy she has been talking to and was thinking of meeting up because she said he tells her he would be everything im not etc," it sounds like she doesn't actually know this guy, and he's just trying to sweet talk her from afar, like over the internet.
Tell her that if she really believes that kind of bullshit enough to throw enough a year-long relationship, she should run to the other guy and enjoy the week of attention he showers on her before he gets tired of her and moves on to the next girl he meets in a chat room. She should know how you feel about her without having to remind her every five minutes, but if she needs that kind of reinforcement, you should be able to accomdodate her.
If you think it's worth salvaging this relationship, it's not too late. To me, she sounds weak willed and gullible, but lonely. If you paid for the vacation and she insists on running to this other guy (assuming he's in Hawaii), ask her for her half of the expenses, since she's just using this as an excuse to visit some sweek-talking internet predator.
This is also good advice.
I think most advice here is good, you really gotta considor the future of this relationship, when a woman talks openly about another man its downright rude disrespectful, and just not acceptable.
Doing that in a relationship is like saying how much she likes your family while pouring petrol on their home, its downright two faced and insincere, you cannot allow yourself to just believe she really wants to be with you while she mentions other men.
At the least any considoration of proposal should be scrapped for the near future.
Love is a very important thing, and it has rgeat potential to cause harm to people if it is damaged, so, you should try and be very careful with it, think of dating as interviewing women for the job of looking after and guarding the small baby jesus or something important like that, like the world doomsday switch, if you cant emagine her doing a good job of resisting doing harm to the world by sheer temptation alone to press the button, then you probably dont wanna entrust her with your heart.
Women can make mistakes, say things they didnt mean to, let you down, but actual beytrayal of a relationship is something i dont personally stand for at all, zero tolerance.
I see fidelity as the greatest sign of commitment and love, if you really love someone it will never be an issue, but if a woman must always wrestle with her desire to take a dip into the ocean so to say, then she doesnt really love you.

well simply put I love her.

we faught for about 5-6 hours over him then i said if you cant make up your mind right now im taking her to the train station and its over. well needless to say 1/4 tank of gas wasted and 3 hours later at station. to sum it up it was the little things that she misses such as holding hands, opening door, texting her, and i dont use the I love you enough. she said the other guy made her feel like when we first meet and she missed that. It came down to if she choose me she had to call him and tell him that she loves me and to stop misleading him. I wasnt mad at the other guy. he is only human. I think what hurt me the most is if she loved me she wouldnt want anyone else but me and it wouldnt matter if the other guy liked her. She called and I talked to him and after she called her mom to let her know what was happening and i tryed to talk to her (speaks only japanese) Right now we are still together but i sometimes wonder why we still are. it seems the only thing we have in common anymore is the golden toy. Music, Movies and such but that nothing to base a real realtionship off of. I guess time will tell.

You should tell her that part of lvoe and relationships is losing the "honeymoon period" feeling, every couple EVERY COUPLE has to eventually face the reality of a relationship once the novelty wears off.

You have to ask her if she is really interested in you for more then simply mere novelty.

Also you have to ask yourself why you dont personally still hold hands sometimes or say i love you.

In a relationship with love, even after many years, it might have dried up a bit, but theres still the odd drizzle of affection, still possible to hold hands.

You have to ask her but yourself as well if your both really wanting the married future prospect, or if this was merely a play-relationship.

Your young kinda like me so, I know how it is to be trying to get through the minefield of earning experience as un-scathed as possible but sometimes it requires hurt and break-up and painful closure to earn that right of knowledge and experience.

Either way we can only offer small titbits of advice, its up to you to really dig deep and decide what you want.

Can you settles for a broken or rocky relationship that requires a mountain of effort just to maintain a routine semblence of love, or do you want a relationship where all the effort and hard times are more situational, financial.

most relationships require a bit of both, its when they go to either extreme you have to reconsidor maintaining it.

Anyway I've ranted enough. 😌
 
thank you all for your thoughful and somewhat other remarks lol
2 nights ago when she said it was over with us and she was with him now I asked if i could see her 1 last time just as friends. She bought some Summer Sonic tickets with my CC and got mailed to her so i used that as excuse to as well.
I went to the local flower show and got a dozen roses, card, teady bear, Pooh San Ballon (thats my nick name she uses) and some candy in effort to win her over. Now i reliase how dumb that was as she didnt look at anything but the card. On front it said i love you so much and on back it said 2nd Chance?
We went to get something to eat and then we went to her house so i could say hello to her parents. We ended up talking and argueing. the parents and her aunt were there and they all told her thats she was stupid for falling for some other guy online and I was a perfectly good man. In the time i was talking with her parents she had got into a fight with kris on the phone because I was at her house and he got pissed. We then left her house to go to the train station and turns out the Chou line that i use to get home had an accident so i ended up staying the night. We talked things over and she ended up starting to kiss me and we had sex that night. Turns out the next morning she said she did it because she was mad at kris. asked me to come with her that day to meet one of her other friends from america who was here on vacation. We went to Tokyo Tower and everything seemed fine tell we started back down and she seemed to be a real *****. saying all this about i ruined her life and wish she never meet me and she faked every time. you name it she said it. At this point we were on the Subway line to Shinjuku where i was going to get off and just let her go. She said she was sorry and wanted to talk so i did. the talk consisted of more or less me telling my feelings to her and what i thought of how things were going. I told her I loved her and I would wait and im sure she would end up making the right choice even if its not what i wanted. I also talked to her about how she could fall in love with kris in a matter of weeks online and she take her time as to what she does with him and says. She understood and said that she had been thinking it may of been to fast and will tell him that she wants only friends right now and the same with me. She said would like it best if we were just friends and thats the only way she would give me a 2nd chance is to start over not start where we left off. We ended up meeting her friend from america and he was with his buddies and allready drunk. by the time we planed on what we wanted to do the trains were starting to close so i asked her if she wanted to go to Shibuya and we could get love hotel as a kind of break up sex and 1 last fun night. We had crazy sex and talked about all the fun memorys we had have in the time we had gone out and she made it clear to me we are just friends and she needs time to know what she wants.
well that was a long story short.
why cant times be like the picture below again
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Carlson. Enjoy what there is to enjoy. Suffer and what there is to suffer. It is an experience we all go through in our lives.
 
Stupid is as stupid does. Just my opinion.

What can I say except I've been there and done that much to my regret. She sounds exactly like the psycho I dated, same lines and all. Sounds like you are in lust Carlson not love and I feel for you as I know what it can do to a guy who thinks he's in love. It will drive you crazy and I see it has done that in making you do pretty stupid things.

Why did she meet another guy from America? What's up with that? Now there are 3 guys including you! Can't you see the light yet? I guess not. Bad case of puppy love.
Why did you need a second chance with the card and all when it should be her begging you for a second chance?

She has you exactly where she wants you. Wrapped tightly around her middle finger. While she plays the field you suffer in your anguish and requited love.

What can I say? I give up. You will not listen to anyone except your small head cause the worst thing you should have done is make love again. But hormones rage in young men and cause them to act quite foolish as you'll discover in a few years when you mature and look back on this.

Besides how much more insulting do you need? Are you a masochist? Telling you she faked it and all! And she only f**ked you because she was mad at Kris. How does that make you feel being used like that? She was probably thinking of him while you did her. You really are a glutton for pain. But who am I to talk as I did exactly what you are doing. Only I didn't have a forum like Jref or friends that I could confide in back then and who would give me sane advice. I was on my own.

Sorry to be so blunt here Carlson, but I just want to convey my experience with women like this as odds are this relationship will never last based on what you have written. Get out there and find a real woman who respects you for you and won't play head games with you while playing you for a fool. But I have a feeling you won't.

From what you've said this past week and all what was it really like in the pic you posted? Was it just unadulterated, crazy sex and that's all? I have a feeling there was really no love at all from either side. Just an immature girl who wants to play the field until she finds Mr. Right (and you are not he) and a young guy who wants sex any way he can get it while thinking he is in love with a woman who insults him and uses him like a new puppy, only to slap him on the nose and put him in his cage if he gets out of line. Besides she is great at making you think she is at fault.

Now she has you in your cage and when she gets lonely again or needs some affection cause Kris is not near, she'll dial your number and she knows you'll run to her with open arms. She has you paper trained well.

But like they say, experience is the best teacher and she teaches at The college of Hard Knocks. Her courses are not easy, but everybody eventually passes. It just takes some longer than others.

Just my opinion.
 
Pachipro said:
Stupid is as stupid does. Just my opinion.



Why did you need a second chance with the card and all when it should be her begging you for a second chance?

She has you exactly where she wants you. Wrapped tightly around her middle finger. While she plays the field you suffer in your anguish and requited love.



Besides how much more insulting do you need? Are you a masochist? Telling you she faked it and all! And she only f**ked you because she was mad at Kris. How does that make you feel being used like that?

Now she has you in your cage and when she gets lonely again or needs some affection cause Kris is not near, she'll dial your number and she knows you'll run to her with open arms. She has you paper trained well.

But like they say, experience is the best teacher and she teaches at The college of Hard Knocks. Her courses are not easy, but everybody eventually passes. It just takes some longer than others.

Just my opinion.

Amen to the above. I read Carlson's post last night and wanted to think it over. You said all that I wanted to say.

Yes, letting the "little head do the thinking for the big head" will mess you up in the long run. What's it going to be? Every time she calls are you just going to run to her? That's not a real relationship, man!

You should have taken my original advice when you last went to the love hotel: pork her and boot her out the door!
 
At least you screwed her (I know, that sounds bad), like some of you adviced :p

God, she looks 16-17 and if that's her age it's no wonder she's so twisted. Girls around that age don't know what they want !

So the other guy is an American too? (I read Kris) So she's a bit of a "I wanna date a foreign guy"-girl? As long as you still enjoy having sex it's ok methinks. But I would forget about feelings for her. I think Pachipro wrapped it up nicely. Oh well, time will tell !
 
No words.
Nothing to see here move along move along!
Probaby being just friends is going to suck too. May have just been easier to say that than to cut you off all together. Just be careful to not too wrapped up in her as friends. And remember, if a fish bites in lake full of fish take that fish and put it on your dish or something like that. Ask ghettocities what it means @_@
 
I agree with Pach, man, Carl, you gotta deal with this, your getting hit with flying punches but you stubbornly force your way through the storm of fists for this fantastical distant image of a real relationship.

A harsh newsflash, there is no happy ever after with her, THIS is what the relationship will always be, it will always be hurt and pain and break ups and ****-buddy sex and her running off with other men.

It will never work.

And eventually when she gets tired of you or grows desperate to get a man before she becomes too old and single, she will leave you hanging cold turkey, and run off with another man, probably with more money and influence then you.


I know its hard to admit Carl, but, your a toy...a tool, your being used, great sex wouldnt be a problem if thats all the relationship was and both sides accepted this, but you clearly want something more, you want a real relationship with a real woman but your infatuation with this one is sabotaging your search.

if you wont listen to someone older with more experience, listen to someone nearer your age like me....its a dead-end.

Cut and run man, just run.
 
i know what you all say and if i thought it was true i would of left her along time ago. I think i have a big part to play as why she felt lonely and startd looking around and when she found him he pretended to be everything she wanted. She has never done anything like this before and I hope you all are wrong about everything. I just need to find this one out for myself.
 
Love is eternal until it's over.. And as people have said earlier you will realise that it wasn't love you were after.

It's good being young, but I'm glad I've had my share of heart break which made me more mature and careful concerning love/lust. Some day you will realise what we've been trying to tell you.. And yes, as you say, you will have to find this out by yourself.

Lots of strength and wisdom Carlson!
 
Damicci said:
Some relationships are worth it and others are gateway relationships that mold you into a person who will be able to detect which person is right for you.

This is a very good observation.
I was out of the dating/relationship game for a quite a while and I've only just realised this. I ploughed everything into my last relationship to make it work, but it just wasn't meant to be.
I think I would be able to read the signs a little sooner another time.
 
Carlson said:
She has never done anything like this before and I hope you all are wrong about everything. I just need to find this one out for myself.

Your first sentence here tells a lot. The fact remains that she did do it and is continuing to do it. Looking for that "happy ending" is just wishful thinking. We just hope it doesn't take a building to fall on your head or something biting you on the *** for you to find out.
 
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