Dir en grey

That would make for an interesting day dream. Ah, how my mind wonders...

Srsly though, you ever wonder if the whole scarring thing isn't just for show and maybe Kyo is going through some sh!t? :/

why did you have to go THERE cuz now my brain is working over time. gaaaaah 0_o

and i think he may have been at one point, but like, hes got how many tats and peircings. people can become immune to some pain.
but self-inflicted pain takes getting used to, he may have been going thorugh something, may have been totally caught up in the music, or he may just be awesome.
as for hte trtuh..who knows, but untill then..[loss of brain function again] dshigreuhfgfjhge [drool and me puddle on floor]
 
:unsure: i think it is very worying that he would do that to himself
even more so if he hurts him self like that off stage i hope he does'nt
 
yeah, i think about that.
like what if he's cutting himself in his own private life..
makes me want to sit and talk to him and make him feel better. :[

i am so pissed right now because i found kyo's first poem book on ebay..then i decided to buy it..and it was gone. GONE! *screams* ><
 
it is sexy, i dont think i can help my attraction to scars and pain and blood. And I think a lot of other girls think likewise. But I worry. It's true. I just hope he's never suicidal. Cus... he wouldn't be the first rock star to do that. I hope its part of him being an artist and just being amazing.
 
suicidal kyo ;-;
i'm going to cry for him now, brb.
.____.

on another note, my friends boyfriend looks like die.
lucky bastard. -_____-
 
Does Kyo only scar himself on his chest

and are they scars or only deep scratches
 
Ooo I might be going to Japan with my mom and a friend of mine to see diru in December at 2 of their shows =D *is getting excited for it, if she can go*

miki78
Their actual scars that kyo has, but some have faded *hasn't looked at kyo's chest since the LA show*
 
it is sexy, i dont think i can help my attraction to scars and pain and blood. And I think a lot of other girls think likewise. But I worry. It's true. I just hope he's never suicidal. Cus... he wouldn't be the first rock star to do that. I hope its part of him being an artist and just being amazing.

Now that you mention it...he does talk about Sid and Nancy in Jessica...but he's saying he DOESN'T want to be like them. Or, at least, the character in the song doesn't. :?
 
I think there's been some talk earlier before some of you guys joined about Kyo and the whole scratching/cutting himself thing... personally I think it really adds to the power and drama of the stage show, and I can totally understand him doing it because he's getting into the emotions of the song he's performing. On the other hand, cutting himself in private, for a more... 'considered' reason, if you like (i.e. not because he's getting carried away on the feeling of the moment as in a live performance) is definitely a 'problem' rather than something to be celebrated, because it would reflect some sort of problem or issue in his mind. Well, that's the way I see it. Because when I have a friend who is cutting themself in private, of course I'm worried about them, I don't encourage them to do it because I like blood and scars and think it makes them sexier. But in performance, it's a different kind of thing... in a way, it's kind of like acting, but I don't mean that in a negative way.
(Incidentally, when you're really warm from exertion, even relatively small scratches show up incredibly red and painful-looking. I discovered that by accident the other day when I clawed myself repeatedly across the chest in a dance piece. It was one of those ad lib moments... and didn't even break the skin. But afterwards I looked like I'd been stung by a huge jellyfish or something! ☝ )
 
I trust Kyo. I trust that he knows what he's doing. Cutting can be a way of life and as long as one knows what they're doing it's not as dangerous as one might think. I trust and believe in Kyo.
I don't support what he does because I think it's "cool" or "sexy" that's sick in my opinion. I support him because really what else can I do? I'm not going to say "stop it" 'cause he won't. So what can I do? And frankly, I'd just rather support him then not.
Some people cut just to cut or they cut for a reason but still don't actually know much about it. I don't believe Kyo is one of those people. And to be honest, I would worry far more about him if he didn't cut, if he didn't have a release, an outlet for his pain. That, in my opinion, would be so much worse.
 
To me, I think cutting is away for showing his pain to everyone, not to get attention. He wants to bear his heart out, that's what makes him a good frontman.
 
I agree.
But I must say, seeing him slash his ribs in person...
It was pretty intense.
I have friends who cut themselves and hell, I've done it out of pure emotion. Didn't think about it, really.
Kyo doesn't need attention, he gets enough of it as it is, and seeing him do it live, I could tell he was really just showing his pain to everyone..even though some people don't understand. They think he is only doing it as an act, and I have to say I can't agree.
 
XD Hey! Another person from the Netherlands! Hey! XD

Aaa, I like all DeG songs XD First one I heard was Childprey and I still LOVE it XD
 
I agree.
But I must say, seeing him slash his ribs in person...
It was pretty intense.
I have friends who cut themselves and hell, I've done it out of pure emotion. Didn't think about it, really.
Kyo doesn't need attention, he gets enough of it as it is, and seeing him do it live, I could tell he was really just showing his pain to everyone..even though some people don't understand. They think he is only doing it as an act, and I have to say I can't agree.

Yeah, actually SEEING him do it in person is extremly compelling and powerful.
People who say it's "an act", "a gommick" or "unauthentic" are just trying to explain away what he's doing so that they don't have to take it seriously. 'Cause if they did then it might actually effect them.

Can't remember if I posted this before but here's something I wrote that's kinda about this subject (it deals with a few other issues as well):

A few years ago, I went to see a Shakespeare play that changed my life. That play was Titus Andronicus. Known for it's gore, over-the-top imagery, plot inconsistencies, and damn near impossibility to perform successfully it's widely considered Shakespeares worst tragedy. However, the production of it that I saw was immaculate and well beyond anything I had seen on stage previously (or after). I went to see that production no less then three times during its run.

Now, all the blood, gore, and the wounds inflicted on the actors and actresses were indisputably fake. No one is going to actually hack off their hand night after night for the sake of "authenticity." However, the emotion these stage acts evoked in the audience was very real.

Was the actress playing Lavinia really raped and mutilated by the Goth Brothers? Of course not. But does that mean the horror and emotional agony both she and the audience feels as she opens her mouth and nothing but blood pours forth isn't real? Once more, of course not. When Lavinia lay at Titus' feet crying and broken did that actress not feel the pain, was she not truly crying and was the audience not genuinely weeping with her? Just because it was a play does not make the emotions it stirred up any less valid then if it were real.

When you watch a film, those actors and actresses were paid to give their performances and doesn't the very fact that they are ACTING make every film a "gimmick"? Is there really such a thing in art as true authenticity?

To hold Dir en grey to this standard of "authenticity" when we do not hold other artists and art forms to it is childish and ridiculous.

Does Kyo really feel the emotions he conveys on stage or not? That's a mute point. It is a performance designed to evoke emotion from the audience, that is it's purpose the purpose of all performing art. It is impossible to give a performance that isn't just the smallest bit contrived, even Improve Actors use rules and blueprints for their acts.

When you watch a funny comedian do you stand up and yell, "HE WROTE THAT!!! IT'S NOT AUTHENTIC!!! IT'S A GIMMICK!!!" Well, of course not because it's understood.

Lyrics, like a play or a comedian's routine, are written long before they are performed. They are tweaked, perfected, and rehearsed just like a play. Such is the way with all performing art.

Are the blood and wounds real?

In return I must ask a question, do you expect Lavinia to really get her actual tongue cut out and her hands sawed off every night for your viewing pleasure? Um, no. The blood that spurts from her mouth, do you expect that to be her real blood? No. So why expect Kyo to always bleed himself dry before you? Yes, he sometimes uses fake blood, what of it? He doesn't use it all the time and you can tell because fake blood, no matter how well crafted, can never look exactly like real blood. And it's really rather hard to fake taking a razor to ones chest or arm and making incisions with it that are open and bleeding.

But even if he were "faking" does it matter? The emotion I feel when I see him do it is real and, in the end, isn't that what's truly important? Isn't the important thing that their message get across and the audience feel that pain themselves?

So yes, Dir en grey is a gimmick just like Titus Andronicus, Silence of the Lambs, The Wizard of Oz, Closer, and Schindlers List are gimmicks. But does that mean they aren't great works of art worthy of remembrance? Absolutely not.
 
well, i do agree that if u keep cutting urself in private for whatever reason i think it's a form of mental sickness and i'll be very worried if any of my friends are like that.

i guess i rather have kyo not to hurt his body, their songs and performance are already full of emotions and i don't think it's necessary to do acts that hurt himself anymore.
 
Cutting isn't a mental illness in my opinion or even a sign of one. Yes, some people who need help do cut but the same could be said for people who, say, smoke a lot.
 
:unsure: i'm sorry i respect everyones point of views but all this just makes me worry about eveyone

i can't stand the idea of anyone being hurt by themselves or anyone else :unsure:

i like dir en greys music and i like Kyo but i think it would scare me to watch them live :unsure:

i just can not bare to see anyone hurt

poor Kyo i just wanna hug him better :(

besides i pass out if i see real blood ☝
 
sometimes its just out of release that soembody 'cuts' like people have been saying, we can debate this till the end of time, but in the end, i trust kyo, and if i dadn't make that clear im sorry..cuz i really do. he's just getting into it. its just a release because the song is so much. and it adds to the preformance.

we all have our own opinions but in the end it all boils down to the fact that we love the music.
 
hmm... you all have very valid points.... i don't see why this is dragging on so long.. i mean, everyone is pretty much just repeating what the person before them said with their own words and from another point of view..... ☝ sorry if that makes no sense, but i just read about 10 near-consecutive posts about Kyo's cutting on stage, and his clawing at his chest in PVs and on stage, and... though you all have valid points, and good reasons for coming to those points, you are all saying the same things..... can someone post a brighter Diru topic? or.. change the subject somehow..? because, this is really becoming a major downer... <.<;;; i was hoping to get on here and read some funny somethings to lift my spirits some, but.... all that did was make me want to do something i haven't done in nearly 5 months, and that i'm trying to stay away from..... 😌
 
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