Comfort Women What do you think?

[KirinMan]

Only Japan's fault? Is it only Japan that is blamed?
Documents: U.S. troops used 'comfort women' after WWII
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/04/25/comfort.women.ap/index.html
I would like to see how you will accuse US Government and US Army in terms of Japanese comfort women as well as you are currently accusing Japanese Government about Korean comfort women.
If you do not accuse the U.S., it will not be fair. Both cases violate human rights of women.
Can you prove that they were not forced?
Now we stand on the same situation?

You know it gets a bit tiresome when discussing one issue and people bring up other issues that are not related to the issue at hand. Also it seems to me that the only reason that these other issues are brought up are to either justify or confuse the reader into thinking that these two issues are directly related. They are not.

If you want to discuss the US and it's use of brothels here in Japan after WWII I suggest you start another thread instead of using this issue to justify the other one, thank you.

It would make for a lively discussion I'm sure.

FYI edited to add take a look at this thread, I started it in response to your post here, please feel free to make your comments about this issue there.

U.S. troops used 'comfort women' after WWII

he who is without sin....cast the first stone...

On second thought comment in reply to this statement, better left un said.☝

 

[caster51]

conmort women card had gone?
I think they were marely prostitutes.

and it is a sinocentrism matter?

japan is lack of introspection
show us a faithful introspection
what is a "faithful introspection"
MOney and apology....then again again.

 

[gaijinalways]

Uh, did you read my thread?

We're talking about Japan's behaviour, open another thread if you want to talk about US servicemen using jaapnese prostitutes, which is a whole other issue.

 

[caster51]

NOP

Most of the women don't want just money, they want their respect back.

ask a agent,master of brothel or their parents.
therer is no respect because that was their will and money.
silence is Gold sometimes.
that was their BUSINESS
it weas not Japanese army's one

 

[gaijinalways]

Caster, you seem to be ignoring testimonies and evidence in your own country to the contrary. This reminds me of another on the previously mentioned 'girls' forum 'Young Dudes Guide to Japan'. The main right-wing poster wants to mostly only accept Japanes evidence, but then he doesn't want to accept Japanese evidence that runs counter to his nationalistic rants. You can't have it both ways, you need to look at all the evidence. Why would all the non-Japanese disagree with you? Think, they must have many reasons besides the ridiculous 'they can't understand our culture' or 'they hate Japanese'!

I agree with many people, 60 years does seem a long time ago, I haven't lived that long yet. I don't hate my father-in-law for fighting in the war, but I am glad he never had to do the things that some Japanese soldiers admit to (rounding up women to 'work', raping women because the emeporer said it was okay, etc.). But on the other hand, 60 years is short form a human perspective. The crimes were horrible. Japan didn't help their Asian neighbors modernize, they tried to enslave them.

If you want to change other people's opinions of Japan and the Japanese, you have to do a better job than 'duck and cover'. The outside opinions of Japan will not go away just because the victims are dead. Their memories live on long after the tragedies.

 

[KirinMan]

Uh, did you read my thread?
We're talking about Japan's behaviour, open another thread if you want to talk about US servicemen using jaapnese prostitutes, which is a whole other issue.

I did mostly because this issue has cropped up here too many times, so here is the link to the U.S. troops used 'comfort women' after WWII thread which you already know about.

Hopefully Caster will make his comments there about this issue from now on.

 

[june]

I think the government of Japan should formally acknowledge, apologize, and accept historical responsibility in a clear and unequivocal manner for its imperial Armed Force's coercion of women into sexual slavery

This tragedy was one of the largest cases of human trafficking in the 20th century and was officially commissioned and orchestrated by the japanese government including gang rape, sexual violence, human trafficking and numerous other crimes against humanity . To make matter worse, some textbooks used in Japanese schools minimize the comfort women tragedy and other atrocities, and even distort the Japanese role in war crimes during World war窶｡U. Now, the US House of Representative is driving for the resolution asking for the government of Japan's formal apology for the comfort women. We need to demonstrate justice is always right and around us for our future and next generations.

 

[KirinMan]

I think the government of Japan should formally acknowledge, apologize, and accept historical responsibility in a clear and unequivocal manner for its imperial Armed Force's coercion of women into sexual slavery
This tragedy was one of the largest cases of human trafficking in the 20th century and was officially commissioned and orchestrated by the japanese government including gang rape, sexual violence, human trafficking and numerous other crimes against humanity . To make matter worse, some textbooks used in Japanese schools minimize the comfort women tragedy and other atrocities, and even distort the Japanese role in war crimes during World war窶｡U. Now, the US House of Representative is driving for the resolution asking for the government of Japan's formal apology for the comfort women. We need to demonstrate justice is always right and around us for our future and next generations.

Even though the poster of this comment has been banned from this board I must agree with what they wrote here.

Though others may not agree with the content the last 6 words for our future and next generations are in my opinion the most important. I hope we all can remember that.

 

[caster51]

Even though the poster of this comment has been banned from this board I must agree with what they wrote here.
Though others may not agree with the content the last 6 words for our future and next generations are in my opinion the most important. I hope we all can remember that.

yes, it should write it "japanese army bought the Korean comfort women as a prostitute"

 

[KirinMan]

yes, it should write it "japanese army bought the Korean comfort women as a prostitute"

You know Caster the number of times that you have written this or something similar makes me go ............. Sigh........

I am fairly certain that everyone here that has followed along on this thread is intimately aware of your feelings about "Japanese army, Comfort Women, Prostitutes, and money".

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

Hi friends,
What happened to many of the 'Comfort Women' was extremely sad.
That we all could show our thoughts and give our opinions in this real fine Forum was wonderful.
But if I may say so; it now becomes a fight of who is right and who is wrong.
To me,those poor women who were so deeply hurt during WWII deserve our sincere respect.
Hope you don't mind me writing this?

 

[KirinMan]

But if I may say so; it now becomes a fight of who is right and who is wrong.
To me,those poor women who were so deeply hurt during WWII deserve our sincere respect.
Hope you don't mind me writing this?

And I sincerely hope that they are never forgotten as well.

 

[caster51]

You know Caster the number of times that you have written this or something similar makes me want to

they were only prostitutes that earnt money more than japanese prime minister.
it is neither more nor less than it.
more than 70% of them were the Japanese women.
they know well about them because they worked there togather.
of course , I regret that it is necessary to have worked for Poverty and family's debt like that.
and their Japanese money was became a toilet paper because of end of WAR.
that is way they blame it.
and they can not get back their money. then " we were forced"

Report No. 49: Japanese Prisoners of War Interrogation on Prostitution: La Segunda Guerra Mundial

This report is based on the information obtained from the interrogation of twenty Korean "comfort girls" and two Japanese civilians captured around the tenth of August, 1944 in the mopping up operations after the fall of Myitkyin a in Burma.


A "comfort girl" is nothing more than a prostitute or "professional camp follower" attached to the Japanese Army for the benefit of the soldiers.



The inducement used by these agents was plenty of money, an opportunity to pay off the family debts, easy work, and the prospect of a new life in a new land, Singapore.

 

[caster51]

according to Korean Jeju News paper in 1989,
a Korean published the record of comfort women of ﾂ催渉州窶懌?｡(Jeju-do)
済州島 - Wikipedia
250 comfort women was forced in that record
however there was no comfort women by jeju ppl's Witness.
they got angry to the lie of that book and korean hometown history auther.
they said" if my daughter was forced , I would resist them Absolutely"
and it was korean's character even at that time in korea.
there is no witness like that in korean society at that time.
It would have become a fuss at that time.

 

[gaijinalways]

Why would we believe such flimsy evidence as you have presented. Again caster, look deeper and spread your evidence net a little farther afield.

 

[caster51]

Why would we believe such flimsy evidence as you have presented. Again caster, look deeper and spread your evidence net a little farther afield.

there is no evidence that they were forced either.
just they insist it.
it is easy for korean that blame someone....they tell a lie like a taking breathes

 

[gaijinalways]

Caster, it's not just Koreans; Singaporeans, Filapinos, Chinese, etc.. You really do need to see a little beyond the borders of Japan. Again, why would only some in Japan hold to this 'all of them were prostitutes them' theory?

 

[pipokun]

But it was sad that only Korean activists forced the victims (not all, though) not to take the compensation...

 

[KirinMan]

Tokyoﾂ≫┐eye question for you here, you voted on the poll that

I DO NOT believe the women making these claims.

I DO NOT believe that the women were coerced.

and

I BELIEVE that the Japanese Government owes compensation as well as an apology to these women.

Would you mind sharing with us here what you mean by the votes that you made? Thank you.

 

[caster51]

But it was sad that only Korean activists forced the victims (not all, though) not to take the compensation...

i think Japan should give them a thank-you letter and reward for their services instead of compensation

 

[KirinMan]

i think Japan should give them a thank-you letter and reward for their services instead of compensation

Caster that is crass at best

 

[gaijinalways]

But to be honest, it's in line with what he believes. I know someone else closer to my age, a diabetes doctor, who believes it. He also thinks he is a liberal, which I haven't seen Caster make claims to as yet. The worst part in the other forum is that other posters, some of them foreigners who I would think would know better, believe his claim. How someone who posits that the 731 unit only executed death row inmates, that all the women were prostitutes, that the Japanese were singled out for whaling (compared to Norway and Iceland), that Nanjing did happen (moderate right winger), but how much is difficult to tell, 'defended' Japanese atrocities as impossible because of Bushido, and etc. when it comes to the foreign crime wave and etc.. Surprisingly he has foreign friends, who see this as okay befitting our stance as guests in Japan (yeah right) to not interfere with internal affairs. Yes, I would agree if you're just a tourist, but many of us are not.


Hence,

why I am gaijinalways

 

[KirinMan]

But to be honest, it's in line with what he believes

I know, it's a shame though.


Off topic here.....

why I am gaijinalways

I really am beyond caring anymore, those that know me know better those that don't....well they dont live in my realm so it doesn't matter anyway.

I was having a conversation the other day with a friend of mine at a local supermarket and a total stranger came up and commented "Oh you speak Japanese so well" I looked at my friend deadpan and told him "Hey Yuki this lady thinks you speak great Japanese "Needless to say she was :bikkuri: and walked away like a puppy with it's tail between it's legs.

Sometimes it is really fun to fight fire with fire.

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

gaijinalways,

You are so right! It starts at school: not a word about Japanese war crimes. So how can we blame the Japanese men and women born after WWII to believe that the Japanese army behaved so badly during the war, and mostly outside Japan.They didn't teach the kids at that time what really happened, only about the two A-Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And that is what the whole world can see with their own eyes. It was so horrible that each time I see a document about this drama on TV, I get tears in my eyes.
Japan destroyed many documents the 15th of August in 1945, something Germany didn't. We have eyewitnesses, but not many proofs, so Japan denies the eyewitnesses and send them to the world of hallucinations and lies. Many Japanese feel that we are all exaggerating. And that we don't like or trust the Japanese in general. That we want to make them look worse during WWII than they were.
I am convinced that there were far more fine Japanese than war criminals.
I am convinced that many Japanese mothers, wives and sisters and daughters wanted the war to be ended as soon as possible, while they were so terribly worried about their loved ones overseas fighting against the enemy.

But alas, there were also war criminals and war crimes! There were thousand of young women and young girls who were no prostitutes at all, but misused by the Japanese army overseas. That should be admitted and then we can all shake hands.

 

[pipokun]

...
They didn't teach the kids at that time what really happened, only about the two A-Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
...

That's not true.

Do you think it is fair that the Korean government kept what Japan compensated in the past to the public for such a long time?
In this sense, I highly rate the current Korean president, Roh Moo-hyun, who opened the post-war secret (even Nobel prize winner Kim could not do it).