Elizabeth said:I don't recommend passing as Japanese to find an intimate relationship for several reasons, but mainly they aren't likely going to make any concessions to Western ways and the novelty is going to wear off pretty quickly. Foreigners either have to have the temperment for it or not and there has to be something else besides Japan as a justification.
kirei_na_me said:Amen, Elizabeth.
I've said numerous times that an intercultural relationship can't be taken lightly. I'm sorry, but it's true. It's reality.
What makes different cultures, anyway? It's true that every culture has characteristics to make it unique. Those characteristics include everything from what they eat to what they wear to their skills to their ideas and how they communicate. If the Japanese were just like us, well, they wouldn't be another culture. One shouldn't go around blasting broad stereotypes, but there are things people of a particular group have in common that make them unique compared to others. That's how we get different cultures. Right?
Golgo_13 said:Then why get involved with someone of a different culture (or race, for that matter) if you're gonna end up complaining about it?
And Japan is actually closer to a unique civilization historically than simply another culture, so you can't argue the magnitude of difference between Chinese, Japanese and Korean men is similar to that of Norway, Sweden and Finland for instance.What makes different cultures, anyway? It's true that every culture has characteristics to make it unique. Those characteristics include everything from what they eat to what they wear to their skills to their ideas and how they communicate. If the Japanese were just like us, well, they wouldn't be another culture. One shouldn't go around blasting broad stereotypes, but there are things people of a particular group have in common that make them unique compared to others. That's how we get different cultures. Right?
No, we were basically thrown together over a period of time and forced to get along, not to mention waaaay too serious and considerate of other people around us to fool around so half-heartedly. Basically, the person should be the foremost object of your interest, but that doesn't discount the culture that has formed them either. It's fair to say he's entirely different than any American man I've ever known....but just because he's Japanese doesn't mean I don't sometimes feel bored at his reticence and 13-14 hour work days plus weekend afternoons/evenings, more like a sister than a lover, impatient that it has taken nearly 2 years to completely relax together. For anyone who thinks dating a Japanese person is going to be a mind-altering or magical, sooooo different other-worldly experience....Did you start dating your boyfriend for the "novelty"?
I would consider the Chinese I've known to be much more down to earth, intellectual and interested in foreign cultures. I haven't had enough experience with the others to know, but I would imagine you'd find plenty of potential partners in developing countries who would make concessions to their culture for a chance to marry a Westerner and immigrate out. Besides remnants of decades/hundreds of years of colonialism and now multinational corporations already dot the landscape in most of those places.Do you suppose the Chinese, Koreans, Thais, Vietnamese, Indians, or the Bangladeshis would be more willing to make concessions to Western ways?
Yes, certainly. They have to be openminded and tolorant (nonjudgmental) as a start, which I think a lot of them are.Could it also be possible that the Japanese have to have the temperament for dating Westerners?
Elizabeth said:It's a matter of common sense, really.
I've personally never been one to complain or try changing these tendancies on anyone living Japan, you do have to take the good with the not so good and some people's personalities are going to exaserbate these cultural conflicts. On the other hand, even many Japanese will admit things like the people tend to be too easily embarrased, apologize too much, shy, restrained etc. I can't imagine anyone saying it is their partner's personality that causes them not to confess their love or apologize and bow to their superiors. How many Americans do you see acting like that after all ?Golgo_13 said:Thank you very much. Common sense dictates that if someone commits a crime, you blame the individual instead of his race, culture, ethnicity, etc.
Same thing with a person who doesn't quite behave in the way YOU'd like him to.
Elizabeth said:Not that I ever understood the idea of a particular attraction to the people as an entire people to begin with....
Yes, certainly. They have to be openminded and tolorant (nonjudgmental) as a start, which I think a lot of them are.
Elizabeth said:I can't imagine anyone saying it is their partner's personality that causes them not to confess their love or apologize and bow to their superiors.
Golgo_13 said:If the person you're having a hard time communicating was overweight, would this topic be "Can you ever get truly close to someone who is FAT"?
Four years? Plenty of time to get used to American cultural differences.sima_yi said:hmmmm.....ok. I could just tell her directly that I really wanna go ^^. I think there is a song in Full Metal Alchemist called "Steady, Steady, GO ^^" lolz. Btw, she is japanese, she said she had been here for 4 years.
Obviously America is more culturally/ethnically mixed than Japan, but on the whole I'd say Americans tend to be more outgoing. Most Japanese I've talked to here will say the same thing. Of course it isn't going to apply to everyone -- but just the fact that there is a tendancy in one direction or another indicates a cultural not individual difference.Golgo_13 said:You're amazing.
Why the hell not? There are shy Americans and there are gregarious ones--isn't that a difference in personality??? If they share the same culture, then what?
So, you still blame the person's culture for such behavior (to confess their love or apologize and bow to their superiors)?