Hey, that's a really interesting post and things for discussion! Thank you!
*ahem* What for me to say, though... :?
For start, I agree with some of the points you already made. Well, I would say I judge good Japanese music the same way that I judge good music of any country or genre. On the other hand, there are some genres of music I like better than others, some that I don't really like but can appreciate the good skill, and others that I neither like nor appreciate (although I recognise that this is not a deficiency in the music itself!). So, I have natural biases in the same way with everyone.
When I think 'is such-and-such music good or not?'... I start off by making my judgements on individual songs/pieces. (In fact, the first one that I hear! If I dislike it, the chances are I won't listen to that group/musician again.) I think: Do the musicians (including the vocalist, of course!) play their instruments skilfully? Do I think they are conveying successfully the emotion they are trying to convey, or does it miss the mark? And, do they play skilfully together as well as the instruments individually?
To me, it seems that skilful playing = 'good' music - even if I don't personally like the resulting music. However, sometimes there are times when musicians perform with awesome skill, but lack something of emotion - they are playing so well, it is like a machine could do it. One example I can think of (it's late here, ok!) is Stefan Grossman. He has very good guitar playing skills, but sometimes I think lacks in 'feeling'.
Other times, again, there is good skills but there is a feeling of self-absorbed arty wallowing. One example I can think of here is Steve Vai. He is one of my absolute top favourite guitarists, producing some mindblowingly awesome stuff... but sometimes I feel it becomes a little too shapeless and esoteric, and I get the feeling he has done stuff 'because I can' rather than because it adds anything to the album he's producing. Hmm... I do have some musical knowledge, so it is not all going over my head because of lack of intellect to appreciate it
I mean, obviously I'm not necessarily going to 'get' all the niceties, but I think music should be able to move people who aren't particularly familiar with the Mixolydian mode.
I seem to have said a lot of negative and not a lot of positive! :sorry:
Hmmm... I think there is not a lot I can say... I'm bad at explaining myself, sorry! But, for me there are 2 main things: the skill, and the expressing emotion. If these 2 things work and are successful, I think the music is 'good' - even if I personally don't like it.
Good vocals: well, I did take singing lessons for a couple of years. But, I hope I don't get all arsey about whether someone has a trained voice or not!
However, it does bug me when I hear someone with a good voice misusing it in a way that will damage it. And, yes, nasally voices bug me, too. Also, it does irritate me when the vocalist doesn't quite hit the note!
But, for example I'm sure you all know that like most of people here I love Diru's music, and I like the way Kyo sings, and the reasons I think his singing is good: he can well vary the tone and texture of his voice, sometimes singing very cleanly and precisely, other times screaming etc. etc. Also he is a 'natural', which is quite rare - I can hear in his clear singing that he is using the throat and palette in the 'right' way, and directing the air and resonances well. So, it is not just singer screaming or growling randomly!
The other instruments that I play, are guitar (acoustic and electric) and keyboard. So of course, I like to hear them played well; don't we all!
I like to hear fast playing, slow emotional playing, interesting arpeggios, good riffs and unusual chord sequences. I also like to hear variations in the texture of the music; parts where the guitars quieten down and the vocalist stands out; bass solos (yeah! yeah! I love bass!); places where the drummer gets the chance to shine too.
I was basing so far what I was saying on sort of band with vocals, guitars, bass, drums, keyboards.... There is also the different area of electronics in music and special effects. I find it quite difficult to tell what is 'good' in such music, because I don't have much knowledge of the techniques used to make the sounds. So usually I don't do much judgement on this at all in my usual way... :sorry: I just think of really subjective stuff like: Do I like the tune? rhythm? meaning? the feeling it gives me? But I can say that I dislike music that gives me the impression of being 'gimmicky'. I prefer to get the feeling that the medium can be subordinate to the message.
I use similar judgements in classical music. Once again - how skilful is the playing? How well do the instruments play together? How much variety and contrast is there in the music?
But, really then it is down to my personal tastes. For example, I tend to prefer music in a minor key (and even in certain modes). I like rock music, goth, some metal, some punk, some pop, some dance, some folk, and some classical music, and I tend to dislike rap and country music and military band music!
And, as you'll have guessed, I have a very much liking for music that varies a lot; that varies in volume, pace, texture and maybe key, too. Whereas someone who had a great love of (for example) bagpipes, might prefer to hear a piece with only that instrument, if it was played well.
I also agree with you about the importance of diversity of style (within one group/artist) and well-thought-out composition.
But, unlike you, I don't see VK as a turn-off. I prefer to just judge on the sound, not the looks. I know I am as keen as anyone here to squeal at hot guys
but that is, I think pretty normal, like guys looking at pics of hot girls. I can seriously not ever judge music on the looks of the group/artist. Basically, if I don't like some group, I might look, but I won't listen!
OMG, I go on and on so much... Now I am embarassed! Sorry, I am very bad at thinking, especially when it is late. :sorry: But I love music so much... yikes I feel like I hardly even started writing!