[ASK] The Proper Routes To Learn Japanese

I really enjoy the graded readers. I can see mikesan's point of view with respect to the lack of kanji in children's books, but I must admit I really like the children's books that feature trains and such because I have always loved trains.

My point wasn't so much about the lack of kanji as it was about the other reasons I listed. In fact, I don't think I mentioned kanji at all in my list of reasons why children's books such as beginner's learning materials.

Lack of spaces between words conspires with other elements such as, but not necessarily limited to:

1. Stopping at the end of a known word and not recognizing that what comes after is part of an unlearned compound with the previous word (@thesuker 's しょうじき+もの+の instead of しょうじきもの+の being a perfect example).

2. Inability to de-conjugate unlearned conjugations back to dictionary form for lookup

3. Difficulty telling particle は/へ from non-particle usage.

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As I said in my initial objecting (and apparently objectionable) post, the idea of using children's books when beginning is universal....practically everybody thinks of it. The odd thing is that practically everybody seems to think they are the first person ever to think of it. Believing there is some sort of linear correlation between the language skills of a native speaking child and one's own degree of progress as a foreign learner and that children's books will therefore just naturally be more amenable to them is where the problem arises. (How many times have you heard Ernest Lerner proclaim "My Japanese is about the same as an X year old Japanese child."?)

We need graded readers that take into account the grammatical points, vocabulary items, and kanji we have learned while the sky is the limit regarding thematic content or complexity. The native speaking child needs no special consideration whatsoever regarding grammatical points, lack of kanji/spaces is a nonissue, and vocabulary need be constrained only by the thematic content and complexity which of necessity will be limited by their being small children.
 
(@thesuker 's しょうじき+もの+の instead of しょうじきもの+の being a perfect example).

Actually, I did know it was しようじきもの+の. I just didn't know もの was 者 (I only knew it as 物) Probably しょうじき+もの+の was not the best way to present it. But you are right though. If it's only hiragana and all of it mixed up with no separations, it's easy for a beginner such as myself to misread, しょうじき+ものの being the perfect example.

I do think Graded Readers are good for beginners (level 0 and 1) I've just finished the first Genki book and discovered the Graded Readers yesterday. I read the 女の子 level 1 story and it was very understandable. It also had the effect of making me feel quite proud of myself and encouraging me to keep it up.

2. Inability to de-conjugate unlearned conjugations back to dictionary form for lookup

I agree with this completely. A few months ago I made the mistake of trying to read what I thought was an easy manga. I just got swamped by many conjugations and expressions I didn't know. It's better to get to the level that enables you to read the text rather than tackling it without the knowledge. By doing the latter you'll just get frustrated and maybe even discouraged.

On the other hand, Graded Readers avoid conjugations that aren't taught in the corresponding JLPT level (Level 0 and 1 = JLPT 5 and 4), so I don't think it's a problem you'd encounter in those specific books.

PS: the Graded Readers I'm referring to are these
 
PS: the Graded Readers I'm referring to are these

Those are the same ones I'm using. It does feel good to be successful, doesn't it?

I used Audacity to slow down the audio until I felt I was comfortably catching all the particles, then switched to the full speed version for daily listening practice.

For people in Japan, buying them from Amazon.jp is significantly less expensive.
 
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