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Unfortunately, this is why some people latch on to such weak theories, so they can rationalize ignoring their historical ties with their feuding neighbors.It would greatly anger those bittered Koreans if Japanese can genuinely validate Jewish ancestry,for they always BELIEVED ancient Korean settlers BECAME entire population of Japanese today.
nice gaijin said:It dawned on me that this is perhaps an attempt to find evidence that Japan is a unique asian culture in the sense that it is more closely related to the roots of western culture than its neighbors.This attitude has caused a lot of misery in the past.
My first argument would be to say that Japanese Shinto would be so far divorced from its "original" Hebrew roots as to make it doubtful to begin with, given how meticulous the Jews were during the Babylonian Captivity and the later Diaspora under the Roman Empire.undrentide said:My understanding is that Jewish belief is monotheistic while Japanese Shintoism is polytheistic (you know, 八百万の神 ). It seems a fundamental difference to me.
I love that guy. He's the Benjamin Franklin of Japan, in every sense of the word.ricecake said:Blame it on YUKICHI FUKUZAWA, who successfully advocated the concept of " LEAVE Asia ENTER Europe ".
Japanese, Turkic and Mongolian are part of the Altaic language family, too. Altaic is predominantly a Central and Eastern Asian language family. I wish I could find a darn tree online, but I can't.some younger generation S Koreans are behaving in this direction for they were indoctrinated by nationalistic education with the notion Korean population is of 100% PURE Siberian-origin not related to Chinese race and expand to claim Koreans HAVE GENETICS TIE TO Europeans because Korean belongs to the so-called Altaic language family includes a few European languages.
caster51 said:(you know, 八百万の神).
In japanese we call it " Ya-o-yo-ro-zu no kami"
why 8 million god? LOL
ya-o-yorozu(万 万屋),,,,it means the god with thousands of army>ya with many armies
o-yorozu means " with ten thousands">many
ya...god
ya-ma-to(yamato 大和)>YA umato is people of kami in ancient Hebrew of aramu?Dialect
八坂(神社)やさか、yaーsaka>The god's belief
caster51 said:the symbol of the japanese flower is Ya.e.zakura(八重桜)
ヤーエー......god's sakura.
that is why the Japanese belives kotodama言霊
八州国(やしま) it means Japan.
In Japan, there are a lot of things that related to eight.(that is ya-)
caster51 said:(you know, 八百万の神).
In japanese, we call it " Ya-o-yo-ro-zu no kami"
why 8 million god? LOL
ya-o-yorozu(万 万屋),,,,it means the god with thousands of army>ya with many armies
o-yorozu means " with ten thousand">many
ya...god
ya-ma-to(yamato 大和)>YA umato is people of kami in ancient Hebrew of aramu?Dialect
八坂(神社)やさか、yaーsaka>The god's belief
In Hebrew, eight (שמוה, shmona) is not as auspicious as the number seven (שבעה, shiv'a). Seven is the number of life and other important things throughout Hebrew mysticism. I don't see any important ties between Hebrew and Japanese numerology in this area.In Japan, there are a lot of things related to eight.
GodEmperorLeto said:In Hebrew, eight (שמוה, shmona) is not as auspicious as the number seven (שבעה, shiv'a). Seven is the number of life and other important things throughout Hebrew mysticism. I don't see any important ties between Hebrew and Japanese numerology in this area.
Where did army thingy come from???
「ヤオヨロズ」を分解するとすれば「ヤオ+ヨロズ」であろう。
「ヤオ」は八尾、八王、矢尾と出雲に関係するとともに現存する地名である。
「ヨロズ」は川・河の民とされる蛙・河伯・河童が「川衆(カワズ)」と呼ばれているのがヒントになった。
「ヨロズ」は「寄衆」であろう。「八百万・ヤオヨロズ」はこうして解けた。
「八尾寄衆」で八尾(八王、矢尾等)に代表される出雲に、天孫降臨時に天孫の侵入に対抗して与力・合力した人々を表す言葉なのであろう
八州 hasshu/大八州国 ooyashimaguni indeed means Japan, because it covers eight islands 本州 honshu, 四国 shikoku, 九州 kyushu, 淡路 awaji , 壱岐 iki , 対馬 tsushima, 隠岐 oki, and 佐渡 sado. Here again 八 ya means number 8.
I mean ancient Hebrew.I don't see any important ties between Hebrew and Japanese numerology in this area.
現在のヘブライ語研究の基礎は、7世紀頃に定着した「マソレテ学母音法」であり、日本に流入した太古のヘブライ語に合致しないからだ。
日本のヘブライ語は紀元前8世紀頃、イザヤの時代以前に日本に移植されているはずなので、かなりの食い違いを生じるのだ。従って、ここでは母韻法によらず、「子韻法(父韻法)」という特殊な分析法を駆使している。それが日本ヘブライ語解明の「唯一の道」だと思えるからだ。
caster51 said:I mean ancient Hebrew.
there is a hint to connect with that...
I've read what I could of those websites, and I just couldn't figure them out. Granted, I only understand very basic Japanese. Nevertheless, given what I could understand, I still don't see any connections between the languages and numerologies. Words may sound similar and have evolved similar meanings, but the original meanings are different. In addition, Hebrew, being a Semitic language, is completely unrelated to Japanese in any way. All three linguists I've asked about this are adamant that Japanese and Hebrew have absolutely nothing to do with one another.caster51 said:古代日本とヘブライ一掃政策ー目次
言葉の杜
this is surely coincidence ...
however, I feel some connections
can I write my name in Hebrew?
thanks thenAll three linguists I've asked about this are adamant that Japanese and Hebrew have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
Hi, fu, mi, yo, itsu, mu, nana, ya, kokono, towo."
This is a traditional expression, but its meaning is unknown it is thought of as being Japanese.
It has been said that this expression originates from an ancient Japanese Shinto myth. In the myth, the female god, called "Amaterasu," who manages the world's sunlight, once hid herself in a heavenly cave, and the world became dark. Then, according to the oldest book of Japanese history, the priest called "Koyane" prayed with words before the cave and in front of the other gods to have "Amaterasu" come out. Although the words said in the prayer are not written, a legend says that these words were, "Hi, fu, mi...."
"Amaterasu" is hiding in a heavenly cave; "Koyane" is praying and "Uzume" is dancing.
Joseph Eidelberg stated that this is a beautiful Hebrew expression, if it is supposed that there were some pronunciation changes throughout history. These words are spelled:
"Hifa mi yotsia ma na'ne ykakhena tavo."(just silly pun??)
This means: "The beautiful (Goddess). Who will bring her out? What should we call out (in chorus) to entice her to come?" This surprisingly fits the situation of the myth.
Moreover, we Japanese not only say, "Hi, hu, mi...," but also say with the same meaning:
"Hitotsu, futatsu, mittsu, yottsu, itsutsu, muttsu, nanatsu, yattsu, kokonotsu, towo."
Here, "totsu" or "tsu" is put to each of "Hi, hu, mi..." as the last part of the words. But the last "towo" (which means ten) remains the same. "Totsu" could be the Hebrew word "tetse," which means, "She comes out. " And "tsu" may be the Hebrew word "tse" which means "Come out."
Eidelberg believed that these words were said by the gods who surrounded the priest, "Koyane." That is, when "Koyane" first says, "Hi," the surrounding gods add, "totsu" (She comes out) in reply, and secondly, when "Koyane" says, "Fu," the gods add "totsu" (tatsu), and so on. In this way, it became "Hitotsu, futatsu, mittsu...."
However, the last word, "towo," the priest, "Koyane," and the surrounding gods said together. If this is the Hebrew word "tavo," it means, "(She) shall come." When they say this, the female god, "Amaterasu," came out.
"Hi, fu, mi..." and "Hitotsu, futatsu, mittsu..." later were used as the words to count numbers.
In addition, the name of the priest, "Koyane," sounds close to a Hebrew word, "kohen," which means, "a priest." Eidelberg showed many other examples of Japanese words (several thousand) which appeared to have a Hebrew origin. This does not appear to be accidental.
In ancient Japanese folk songs, many words appear that are not understandable as Japanese. Dr. Eiji Kawamorita considered that many of them are Hebrew. A Japanese folk song in Kumamoto prefecture is sung, "Hallelujah, haliya, haliya, tohse, Yahweh, Yahweh, yoitonnah...." This also sounds as if it is Hebrew.
caster51 said:「ヤオヨロズ」を分解するとすれば「ヤオ+ヨロズ」で あろう。
「ヤオ」は八尾、八王、矢尾と出雲に関係するとともに 現存する地名である。
「ヨロズ」は川・河の民とされる蛙・河伯・河童が「川 衆(カワズ)」と呼ばれているのがヒントになった。
「ヨロズ」は「寄衆」であろう。「八百万・ヤオヨロズ」はこうして解けた。
「八尾寄衆」で八尾(八王、矢尾等)に代表される出雲 に、天孫降臨時に天孫の侵入に対抗して与力・合力した人々を表す言葉なのであろう
undrentide said:八州 hasshu/大八州国 ooyashimaguni indeed means Japan, because it covers eight islands 本州 honshu, 四国 shikoku, 九州 kyushu, 淡路 awaji , 壱岐 iki , 対馬 tsushima, 隠岐 oki, and 佐渡 sado. Here again 八 ya means number 8.
caster51 said:There is no 蝦夷。 Why?
よろずや、よろず相談 よろずの仕事, よろずご意見箱...There's no supporting evidence or backing explanation
caster51 said:It means Hokkaido.
蝦夷地
caster51 said:よろずや、よろず相談 よろずの仕事, よろずご意見箱...
there is also meaning of help among these
ヨロイ ヨロ+イ(衣) armour
ヨロズ ヨロ+衆.. army
JimmySeal said:Just because a word is the kun-yomi of a single kanji, that doesn't mean that the word can't be further broken down. For example, the kun-yomi for 政 is まつりごと, but the word is obviously a combination of まつる(祭る) and こと(事). There are dozens of similar examples. Nevertheless, in this situation, the よろず/よろい theory is hooey, no doubt.