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Ancient Japan and the Jews

It dawned on me that this is perhaps an attempt to find evidence that Japan is a unique asian culture in the sense that it is more closely related to the roots of western culture than its neighbors. Whether that was the original intention of this fishing expedition, it seems to be where it's headed. This attitude has caused a lot of misery in the past.

It would greatly anger those bittered Koreans if Japanese can genuinely validate Jewish ancestry,for they always BELIEVED ancient Korean settlers BECAME entire population of Japanese today.
Unfortunately, this is why some people latch on to such weak theories, so they can rationalize ignoring their historical ties with their feuding neighbors.
 

Blame it on YUKICHI FUKUZAWA,who successful advocated the concept of " LEAVE Asia ENTER Europe ".

I want to use this opportunity to VALIDATE your point,some Japanese TV doramas do have EUROPE for background scenes or EUROPEAN-related themes like European names for Japanese enterprises or story lines with a touch of EUROPEAN-culture blah blah blah.

examples ....

LOVE REVOLUTION ( Italy for EUROPEAN background scenes )
ARTIFICAL BEAUTY ( a beauty institution somewhere in EUROPE )
THE BLACK LEATHER NOTEBOOK ( high class Ginza night-clubs with EUROPEAN NAMES LIKE Baden Baden and Rodan )

We shouldn't just nail Japanese on this matter,some younger generation S Koreans are behaving in this direction for they were indoctrinated by nationalistic de-Sinicization education with the notion Korean population is of 100% PURE Siberian-origin not related to Chinese race and expand to claim Koreans HAVE GENETICS TIE TO EUROPEANS for Korean speaking language belongs to the so-called Altaic linguistic family includes a few European languages.
 
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undrentide said:
My understanding is that Jewish belief is monotheistic while Japanese Shintoism is polytheistic (you know, 八百万の神 ). It seems a fundamental difference to me.
My first argument would be to say that Japanese Shinto would be so far divorced from its "original" Hebrew roots as to make it doubtful to begin with, given how meticulous the Jews were during the Babylonian Captivity and the later Diaspora under the Roman Empire.

However, the lost ten tribes were part of Israel after the kingdom was divided, and although nominally governed by the Yahweh cult (i.e. Judaism), they also adopted the various pagan practices of many of their neighbors (Phoenicians, Philistines, etc.). Many of those that remained behind after the Assyrian conquest became Samaritans, and followed a transformed (and eventually defunct) version of the Yahweh cult. They never were as strict as their southern neighbors were before the Babylonian Captivity solidified "Jewness" into the Hebrew mindset. It is possible (though remote) that they could have influenced ancient Shinto practices by migrating that far East, although it is highly, repeat HIGHLY improbable.

ricecake said:
Blame it on YUKICHI FUKUZAWA, who successfully advocated the concept of " LEAVE Asia ENTER Europe ".
I love that guy. He's the Benjamin Franklin of Japan, in every sense of the word.

Japanese, Turkic and Mongolian are part of the Altaic language family, too. Altaic is predominantly a Central and Eastern Asian language family. I wish I could find a darn tree online, but I can't.

Besides, linguists will argue that language and genetics are two different things, and one can be passed along without the other.
 
Our fellow forumer here probably has " Jew " heritage in the family,we be nice now.
 
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(you know, 八百万の神).
In japanese we call it " Ya-o-yo-ro-zu no kami"
why 8 million god? LOL
ya-o-yorozu(万 万屋),,,,it means the god with thousands of army>ya with many armies
o-yorozu means " with ten thousands">many
ya...god
ya-ma-to(yamato 大和)>YA umato is people of kami in ancient Hebrew of aramu?Dialect
八坂(神社)やさか、yaーsaka>The god's belief
 
The symbol of the japanese flower is Ya.e.zakura(八重桜)
ヤーエー......god's sakura.
that is why the japanese belives kotodama言霊
八州国(やしま) it means Japan.
In Japan, there are a lot of things that related to eight.(that is ya-)
 
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八百万 (ya-o-yorozu) is counting system in 大和言葉.
ya : eight (hi fu mi yo i mu na ya...) It does not mean god. It could also mean "many"
o : hundred
yorozu : ten thousand, or "innumerable"

Where did army thingy come from???
If 八 (ya) means god, what do you expect to find at 八百屋 (yaoya = greengrocer)?


やまと(倭/大和) yamato, an ancient name of Japan is most likely 山処 yama-to, meaning "a place surronded by mountains".



Eh... when did 八重桜 becomes the symbol of Japanese flower? kashii:
桜 indeed is one of unofficial national flowers of Japan, but when we say 桜, it normally refers to ordinary one such as ソメイヨシノ, not 八重咲き yaezaki/double variety.
八重 means many layers (of petals) and that's all about it, I believe.

八州 hasshu/大八州国 ooyashimaguni indeed means Japan, because it covers eight islands 本州 honshu, 四国 shikoku, 九州 kyushu, 淡路 awaji , 壱岐 iki , 対馬 tsushima, 隠岐 oki, and 佐渡 sado. Here again, 八 ya means number 8.

Your statement is getting something と学会 would most appreciate.

 

The closest thing the Hebrews have in the Tanakh/Old Testament to kami or "eight million gods" is the concept of אֱלוֹהִים ("Elohim"). The word is rather ambiguously used in the Tanakh to refer alternately to Yahweh/God (acting as a singular despite having the plural suffix), angels, and pagan gods.

The "yah" in the Hebrew יהוה, or "Yahweh" is simply part of the Hebrew verb "to be" in the first person singular (although in writing, it could also be third person singular imperfect--"he is"). In other words, the name God gives for himself is "I am."

"Yah" does not equal "god" in Hebrew, but rather "el". Thus, the connection between the "Yah" of יהוה and the "Ya" of 大 or 八 is doubtful at best.

In Japan, there are a lot of things related to eight.
In Hebrew, eight (שמוה, shmona) is not as auspicious as the number seven (שבעה, shiv'a). Seven is the number of life and other important things throughout Hebrew mysticism. I don't see any important ties between Hebrew and Japanese numerology in this area.
 

You forgot to adjust for the International Date Line, oi vey.
 
Where did army thingy come from???

八百万、千万(ヤオヨロズ、チヨロズ)考

yorozu..there is meaning of helper or protector, too

FrtNws88
 

There is no 蝦夷。 Why?

I don't see any important ties between Hebrew and Japanese numerology in this area.
I mean ancient Hebrew.
there is a hint to connect with that...
 
caster51 said:
古代日本とヘブライ一掃政策ー目次

言葉の杜
this is surely coincidence ...
however, I feel some connections
can I write my name in Hebrew?
I've read what I could of those websites, and I just couldn't figure them out. Granted, I only understand very basic Japanese. Nevertheless, given what I could understand, I still don't see any connections between the languages and numerologies. Words may sound similar and have evolved similar meanings, but the original meanings are different. In addition, Hebrew, being a Semitic language, is completely unrelated to Japanese in any way. All three linguists I've asked about this are adamant that Japanese and Hebrew have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

But, yes, you can write your name in Hebrew. It's an alphabetic system, and I'm pretty sure most Japanese phenomes exist in Hebrew. However, it wouldn't be a Hebrew word or have any meaning in the Hebrew language.
 
Gion frstival in Kyoto July 17 th

Zion festival also...July 17th.....(same day)
It is a float used for the GION festival
This pattern is the same as used by ancient ...
 
All three linguists I've asked about this are adamant that Japanese and Hebrew have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
thanks then
how do you think about that?



 

There's no supporting evidence or backing explanation WHY the person you've quoted "assumed" the meaning of yao is Izumo or yorozu is the army.
The above statement itself indicates quite clearly that these are not the fact but merely his assumption (であろう、ヒントになった、etc.) and to me, without clear explanation, it is not even an assumption but only his imagination.
 
First of all, please indicate whose post you're quoting, especially when you quote more than two persons' posts within one single post.


caster51 said:
There is no 蝦夷。 Why?

I think because 蝦夷 emishi means the group people, not the land.
 
There's no supporting evidence or backing explanation
よろずや、よろず相談 よろずの仕事, よろずご意見箱...
there is also meaning of help among these
ヨロイ ヨロ+イ(衣) armour
ヨロズ ヨロ+衆.. army
 
I'm of the belief that if people who study this stuff say there's no connection, there's no connection. Aside from that most of the evidence you've given is very questionable and strong ties can't be drawn between the two languages, as others have said.
 
caster51 said:
It means Hokkaido.
蝦夷地

Of course, I know you meant Hokkaido. But 蝦夷 does not mean the land.
Look what the page you've just referred.

『蝦夷地(えぞち)は、蝦夷(えぞ)と呼ばれたアイヌ の居住地を指す言葉で』
(quoted from the webpage you indicated)

It clearly states 蝦夷地 is the land (地) of 蝦夷 (people called emishi)
You're mixing up two different things.

This is also Japanese Wikipedia about 蝦夷.

 

You should not chop up a single word into pieces to fit your "theory".

よろず is one word (万, 萬).
It means (1) 10,000 (2) many, numerous
It does not mean anything related to "help".

よろい is also one word (鎧, 甲)
It was derived from the verb 鎧 (よろう).
 
Just because a word is the kun-yomi of a single kanji, that doesn't mean that the word can't be further broken down. For example, the kun-yomi for 政 is まつりごと, but the word is obviously a combination of まつる(祭る) and こと(事). There are dozens of similar examples. Nevertheless, in this situation, the よろず/よろい theory is hooey, no doubt.
 

You are right, Jimmy Seal, and I did not say よろず/よろい cannot be broken down because it is written in a single kanji.
 
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