America Should Get Out of Japan, Now!!!
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From what i see here (5 minute observation) the last 2 replies are from people in japan, verses the reply before being some one in america (assuming we all answered our profile's truthfully) and the people who replied who are from Japan are saying that they want the U.S. in there, while the person from America is saying he wants the U.S. out? I think the opinions of the 2 posters from Japan are a more accuret description of what japan wants than some one who posts from America.
I've noticed a few common things about libearls, and i don't mean any offence to them by this. I'm sure a few of them would agree. They want everyone and everything to be equal. So that the only thing different between countries and people is the certain attributes (like skin color for people or climate for countries) and everything will be happy and joyous and everyone will be of equal status except government officials.
The democrates (in america) are the ones who currently side with the liberals. They are the group that denies any support from big buisness (which media is a big buisness, so that's a flat out lie) and they seem to want to raise taxes and distrubute the money to welfare and things how they see fit. Now i know it's far from it, but it is the starting point of communism. In communism, they take all the money (in heavy taxes) then distribute it out how they feel. To appeal to the liberals, they support the minority of opinions. They mask a minority of opinions with racism, sexism, and all other kinds of "-isms" to say that it's wrong to oppose how the minority feels.
Fact is, the minority *ARE* the minority. Minority means "those who are less in numbers than others in one situation." (And no, i'm not saying that the liberals are the minority, just that they seem to stick up for them.) Therefor, we have a handfull of people who are making an excuse (thanks to the high fear of being called a racist in the United States) are the ones with more power. Heck, with that kind of attention we could bring paligamy (sp?) back. I don't want to see this happening to Japan. Fact is, the minorty are a minority, and if they don't like how a country is run, they are the ones who should be kicked out, rather than telling the mijority (sp?) to get out. I'm not a racist, i'm not a sexist, i don't hate any group of people for who they are or what they are, but i will pick on a group for what they decide.
To top it off, the liberals and democrates seem to like opinions from people in places that aren't in the place that is being judged. America shouldn't be run based on the opinions of Germany or Russia or some place like that. Only Americans know what needs to be done to improve America. Only people who live in Japan know what needs to be done to Japan to make it as good as it can be. So, if you want to argue that Japan wants the troops out, then you can if you find a mijority in japan that says so. Plus, just what Japan wants isn't going to be what happens. The U.S. has troops in Japan for the U.S.'s safety. To get them out, it must be Japan who does it. Protecting Japan may very well be part of protecting the U.S., but fact is. The U.S. is in there on it's terms, therefor it is U.S. intrest. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Because of that, no one seems to be attacking Japan. You pull out the U.S. (just like in Iraq) you'll have utter chaos. Talking the U.S. out isn't going to happen. So, if you want the U.S. out, it's *YOUR* job to get them out by other means. That means, force. So, if you want to go up to a bunch of U.S. soldiers with a pitchfork or something and start killing, you go ahead. You'll end up dead, or you can not attack them and leave the country to a place that you do like. I don't think Japan is one of those countries that won't let you leave, so yea, leaving is an option if you don't like it.
I've noticed a few common things about libearls, and i don't mean any offence to them by this. I'm sure a few of them would agree. They want everyone and everything to be equal. So that the only thing different between countries and people is the certain attributes (like skin color for people or climate for countries) and everything will be happy and joyous and everyone will be of equal status except government officials.
The democrates (in america) are the ones who currently side with the liberals. They are the group that denies any support from big buisness (which media is a big buisness, so that's a flat out lie) and they seem to want to raise taxes and distrubute the money to welfare and things how they see fit. Now i know it's far from it, but it is the starting point of communism. In communism, they take all the money (in heavy taxes) then distribute it out how they feel. To appeal to the liberals, they support the minority of opinions. They mask a minority of opinions with racism, sexism, and all other kinds of "-isms" to say that it's wrong to oppose how the minority feels.
Fact is, the minority *ARE* the minority. Minority means "those who are less in numbers than others in one situation." (And no, i'm not saying that the liberals are the minority, just that they seem to stick up for them.) Therefor, we have a handfull of people who are making an excuse (thanks to the high fear of being called a racist in the United States) are the ones with more power. Heck, with that kind of attention we could bring paligamy (sp?) back. I don't want to see this happening to Japan. Fact is, the minorty are a minority, and if they don't like how a country is run, they are the ones who should be kicked out, rather than telling the mijority (sp?) to get out. I'm not a racist, i'm not a sexist, i don't hate any group of people for who they are or what they are, but i will pick on a group for what they decide.
To top it off, the liberals and democrates seem to like opinions from people in places that aren't in the place that is being judged. America shouldn't be run based on the opinions of Germany or Russia or some place like that. Only Americans know what needs to be done to improve America. Only people who live in Japan know what needs to be done to Japan to make it as good as it can be. So, if you want to argue that Japan wants the troops out, then you can if you find a mijority in japan that says so. Plus, just what Japan wants isn't going to be what happens. The U.S. has troops in Japan for the U.S.'s safety. To get them out, it must be Japan who does it. Protecting Japan may very well be part of protecting the U.S., but fact is. The U.S. is in there on it's terms, therefor it is U.S. intrest. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Because of that, no one seems to be attacking Japan. You pull out the U.S. (just like in Iraq) you'll have utter chaos. Talking the U.S. out isn't going to happen. So, if you want the U.S. out, it's *YOUR* job to get them out by other means. That means, force. So, if you want to go up to a bunch of U.S. soldiers with a pitchfork or something and start killing, you go ahead. You'll end up dead, or you can not attack them and leave the country to a place that you do like. I don't think Japan is one of those countries that won't let you leave, so yea, leaving is an option if you don't like it.
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It's funny, actually. With that show from North Korea, it shows that some one dosn't like Japan. Even if Japan can get it's Army big real quick, will they withstand the tests? Lots of people will want to check to see if they can defend themselves. If they're not really good, some one will try to attack. From what i've seen from other posts, Asia dosn't exactly like japan.
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i've heard all of asia, but those were the only 2 countries actually mentioned.
When I was in Korea last time I accidentally mixed up some yen and won at a bar (I was seeing kind a fuzzy) and the barkeep practically threw the yen back at me. I thanked her as the yen was worth a hell of a lot more than the won I had counted it as -- after she thought about it a minute she tried to get me to give her the yen ha ha ha -- yeah right!
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Americans will pull out its military forces in S. Korea and Japan? I think it's very unlikely. In my opinion, the military bases from each country is a strategic position, let's take for example the current missile test ran by the US-S. Korea joint military excercise wherein US was able to have an actual drill on how to inctercept missiles coming from Korean peninsula. At this point in time, I think it's really unlikely. 
People generally don't held ever-lasting hate for no reason.
My immediately family wasn't victimized in the 1930's-1940's,hence I have a free pass embracing Japanese culture.
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Really? Tell that to Koreans and Chinese. Many young people in those countries are taught to still hate the Japanese because of WW II even though they were not alive at the time and Japan is no where near what it was before and during WW II.ricecake said:
Younger generations are thankful they didn't live those horrible years,and they can absolutely tell it to foreigners.
There are many million living families among Chinese and Korean populations victimized by Japan Imperial Army.The American-born author Iris Chang of " Rape of Nanking " is one example I can provide,someone ethnic Chinese hated Japanese for her grandparents witnessed Japanese atrocities with close relatives and friends were some of those victims in their hometown Nanking city.She was born and raised in Sunnyvale,California which is 40 miles from where I presently live in the city of Dublin.
Honestly,average Chinese don't speak of Japan or Japanese on daily basis in real life let alone hating Japanese on personal level as many people loosely suggested in cyberspace.
No one in my extended family ever hated Japanese,we've discussed WW 2 events involved Japanese imperialism and war activities in Asia.
I've know some young Chinese families in California rented out room in their home to Japanese foreign exchange students including my neighbor.
As for young S Koreans,there is a gradual increase number of Japanese-wannabes passionately pursue East Asia brotherhood with Japanese on Koreans' long-held belief of Japanese and Koreans have shared-100%-PURE-Korean-origin whatever that means.Here you have it,Korean fanaticism and extremism
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Past time to go
I grew up around the military in Far East Asia. If you are like me, then you know that there are two kinds of soldiers: Those that live here and those that come here to party. *shrug* Those that settle down, get married with a local and have a kid (like me) are alright--and their kids are alright because this is HOME. As for the others? Well, after a lifetime I've come to realize that the number of partiers and troublemakers are MUCH higher on that other side.
This latest rape case (or cases) is being sensationalized in the view of some people. But these are people that don't LIVE HERE. This is NOT the first rape case. Was it last year that a teenager was raped, killed and discarded? This is a regular occurance. Laugh, joke, and hedge all you will. Rapists are trash, and anyone that defends them are too.
If the price of peace and prosperity with the US is allowing their servicemen to rape the women of this country, then it is past time for the US to go. Japan IS an ally. Japan has respected their side of that coin.
I think Japan has been very patient with the US. The US didn't pay for its embassy in Tokyo for years. The US get's angry when Japan catches bad beef. Japan pays a premium price for everything that comes from the US. We can go on about this.
But the point is: Do all these bases belong here? There are over a DOZEN bases in Japan. We can talk about WWII, the treaty, the good that the US, in fact, HAS done. Yup, u-huh, but do Japanese deserve to be raped? No.
The Japanese have since WWII, in very good faith, turned around. Yes, they have become an economic giant. Great, good for them. But it's costing them. They are suffering the same pains that the US is: Unemployment, disillusionment--pick your industrial fallout. But more than this, they loose their culture daily. They are loosing themselves. They are paying dividends that are irreplacable. We can talk about this too.
What are the purposes of the bases? Having lived in several in Japan, I certainly loved them. But are they necessary here? Is the US really doing the world a favor by being here of all places?
Drop the attitude and be honest:
The US wants to wage a political and economic war in Iraq? Great. Cool. Yay, oil. So then, why doesn't the US put a dozen bases over THERE, where their presence is SO obviously needed? I think if they did so then their weapon sales to terrorists would go all the more smoothly.
Economic and political realities? That's the world, right?
Look at Japan as an outsider and you'll see it for the sides that it has: The old guard (Yeah, THEY are still here, and, yeah, THEY are still in the offices of power--jerks), the corporations (learning everything bad from the example that shifty foreign business has taught them--so blind), and finally the people. The Japanese are a good people. And these soldiers that I grew up around, worked with, TRAINED, are raping--not the jerks in power, not the corporations--but the PEOPLE that are my neighbors and friends and family.
I did my part for the US. I did my part for the military. And if there is one thing I've learned is to recognize and fight for what is RIGHT. And right now the US is NOT right.
Stow your misquided history lessons. Your illusions about political realities. People like you are making the situation worse: Because the Japanese want it stopped.
But jerks like YOU want the rape to continue.
And the old guard WILL come back because of people like you.
I pity you. And I pity me because I am embarassed to be a citizen of the US. I pity us all, because more than likely Japan will back down and the raping will continue.
But don't let me catch you, citizen.
I grew up around the military in Far East Asia. If you are like me, then you know that there are two kinds of soldiers: Those that live here and those that come here to party. *shrug* Those that settle down, get married with a local and have a kid (like me) are alright--and their kids are alright because this is HOME. As for the others? Well, after a lifetime I've come to realize that the number of partiers and troublemakers are MUCH higher on that other side.
This latest rape case (or cases) is being sensationalized in the view of some people. But these are people that don't LIVE HERE. This is NOT the first rape case. Was it last year that a teenager was raped, killed and discarded? This is a regular occurance. Laugh, joke, and hedge all you will. Rapists are trash, and anyone that defends them are too.
If the price of peace and prosperity with the US is allowing their servicemen to rape the women of this country, then it is past time for the US to go. Japan IS an ally. Japan has respected their side of that coin.
I think Japan has been very patient with the US. The US didn't pay for its embassy in Tokyo for years. The US get's angry when Japan catches bad beef. Japan pays a premium price for everything that comes from the US. We can go on about this.
But the point is: Do all these bases belong here? There are over a DOZEN bases in Japan. We can talk about WWII, the treaty, the good that the US, in fact, HAS done. Yup, u-huh, but do Japanese deserve to be raped? No.
The Japanese have since WWII, in very good faith, turned around. Yes, they have become an economic giant. Great, good for them. But it's costing them. They are suffering the same pains that the US is: Unemployment, disillusionment--pick your industrial fallout. But more than this, they loose their culture daily. They are loosing themselves. They are paying dividends that are irreplacable. We can talk about this too.
What are the purposes of the bases? Having lived in several in Japan, I certainly loved them. But are they necessary here? Is the US really doing the world a favor by being here of all places?
Drop the attitude and be honest:
The US wants to wage a political and economic war in Iraq? Great. Cool. Yay, oil. So then, why doesn't the US put a dozen bases over THERE, where their presence is SO obviously needed? I think if they did so then their weapon sales to terrorists would go all the more smoothly.
Economic and political realities? That's the world, right?
Look at Japan as an outsider and you'll see it for the sides that it has: The old guard (Yeah, THEY are still here, and, yeah, THEY are still in the offices of power--jerks), the corporations (learning everything bad from the example that shifty foreign business has taught them--so blind), and finally the people. The Japanese are a good people. And these soldiers that I grew up around, worked with, TRAINED, are raping--not the jerks in power, not the corporations--but the PEOPLE that are my neighbors and friends and family.
I did my part for the US. I did my part for the military. And if there is one thing I've learned is to recognize and fight for what is RIGHT. And right now the US is NOT right.
Stow your misquided history lessons. Your illusions about political realities. People like you are making the situation worse: Because the Japanese want it stopped.
But jerks like YOU want the rape to continue.
And the old guard WILL come back because of people like you.
I pity you. And I pity me because I am embarassed to be a citizen of the US. I pity us all, because more than likely Japan will back down and the raping will continue.
But don't let me catch you, citizen.
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Chidoriashi
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Man, if you hate the US so much then please do us all a favor and renounce your citizenship. I don't agree with people being raped of course, and stricter discipline is definitely necessary, but the fact is the US military isn't going anywhere. And in reality I think if the leaders in Tokyo really truly wanted them gone they would be. Perhaps they are putting up with it because they have bigger concerns in mind about the safety of their country. And by the way, rapists come in all nationalities, and the fact is I'm sure there is a much bigger problem with Japanese committing rapes against other Japanese than the US military. So if you are really on this seeming crusade for social justice to protect your friends and family you cannot single out one group that is causing a problem. Rape isnt going to go away when the US leaves Japan. Which makes me think you are really less concerned about the rape and more concerned about fueling your hatred for the US.
America and Japan have a security treaty, so America's forces are not leaving Japan.
Japan gets the security umbrella and America providing stability in the far east. Japan does have a potent self-defense force and they do spend the money. Still no one can come close to matching America's military strength. I don't see how Japan could make up for that even with more spending on defense. Also who would provide security(stability) in the far east? Japan could not because China and Korea would be absolutely opposed to that idea and vice versa.
All allies have disputes, whether it be trade or crimes(like the rape in Okinawa). That this is indicative of failing relations between allies is untrue. Both countries know it is in their best interests to be allies and to have American forces in Japan.
Japan gets the security umbrella and America providing stability in the far east. Japan does have a potent self-defense force and they do spend the money. Still no one can come close to matching America's military strength. I don't see how Japan could make up for that even with more spending on defense. Also who would provide security(stability) in the far east? Japan could not because China and Korea would be absolutely opposed to that idea and vice versa.
All allies have disputes, whether it be trade or crimes(like the rape in Okinawa). That this is indicative of failing relations between allies is untrue. Both countries know it is in their best interests to be allies and to have American forces in Japan.
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awakeneddragon,
Your arguments don't make sense.
No one deserves to be raped, true, but you write as if that is the only purpose in having U.S. troops here.
Look at statistics. More crimes are committed per capita by the local Japanese than by foreign military. The cases with the military just get more press, and people use this to fuel their demands to get the troops out.
Your arguments don't make sense.
No one deserves to be raped, true, but you write as if that is the only purpose in having U.S. troops here.
Look at statistics. More crimes are committed per capita by the local Japanese than by foreign military. The cases with the military just get more press, and people use this to fuel their demands to get the troops out.
As well it should. Are you implying otherwise? The U.S. screwed up royally on that one.
The U.S. military presence in Japan continues because both sides want it. They both agreed to the terms. By "they", of course, I mean the governments, not necessarily the individual locals.
I'd be happy to, but are you saying that the presence of military bases in Japan causes the loss of culture? If so, you are dead wrong. Culture evolves. Globalization is, well, global, and you can't stop it unless you shut off yourself from the rest of the world like Japan did for over 200 years. This is not that period. Japan's eyes are open to the rest of the world (just like every other developed country), so there are bound to be changes in culture. Don't blame it on soldiers.
Ask your government and Japan's. As I wrote above, they both agree on it.
Can you stay on topic here? Japan.
Then it is up to the citizens to force change, because as you wrote, it is still the "old guard" in power.
- 21 Feb 2008
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Hate the USA?
How interesting that my words have been interpretted that way.
Do I have to defend myself as much as I've defended the US my entire life? OK:
You won't find a patriot greater than me. I came from the generation that considered the words of the Pledge of Allegience everyday in school I stood for and sang the National Anthem in theaters. Play me the tune and I can sing for you any song that has expounded the good, courageous and fine aspects of the US.
You have misinterpretted my disgust and withering hate for the elements of our own country that have decided to go on foreign soil and forget that each and every one of them is an ambassador.
Do I have to defend myself to my own people, fellow citizens?
Shame on you.
It is NOT hate for the US that makes me demand that the bases leave. It is my love.
Duty, honor, discipline. Sit on those words every day of your life. Attempt to live them. And when you stop being an armchair terrorist believing yourself to be a true hero because you see injustice BUT DO NOT ACT, then you can stand up and call yourself not only a proud citizen of the US, but a worthy representative of ALL of humanity.
I'd be glad to shake your hand then.
Until then? Necessity. Worst common denominator: The US military equation of their being in Japan. Because the worst of the US represents us all.
Have your day of silence. Have your discussions. Transfer people. But you and I know that this will all blow over, that those mediocre efforts are useless: It'll happen again and again just as it always has.
It is not with a Japanese voice that the outrage should be raised: It should be every citizen of the US that screams the loudest.
Shame on you.
The best defense I can offer in the name of the US is to be the GOOD citizen I have always been. To live my life with the precepts that surrounded me. Words, words, words. They are only a clever t-shirt and sappy sentiment unless you have the courage to live them.
And I'll tell you, weak people like YOU make it hard. Evil people like that rapist make it hard.
Proud to be an American?
Bring on your silly, uninformed dispersions. You know nothing. Be a bigot. Rest comfortably in the fact that you yourself did not commit those rapes--but would do nothing about it. Couch in the belief that the Japanese really need us here.
Pride has two meanings. I think I'm on the correct side. I think it's obvious what side YOU are on.
How interesting that my words have been interpretted that way.
Do I have to defend myself as much as I've defended the US my entire life? OK:
You won't find a patriot greater than me. I came from the generation that considered the words of the Pledge of Allegience everyday in school I stood for and sang the National Anthem in theaters. Play me the tune and I can sing for you any song that has expounded the good, courageous and fine aspects of the US.
You have misinterpretted my disgust and withering hate for the elements of our own country that have decided to go on foreign soil and forget that each and every one of them is an ambassador.
Do I have to defend myself to my own people, fellow citizens?
Shame on you.
It is NOT hate for the US that makes me demand that the bases leave. It is my love.
Duty, honor, discipline. Sit on those words every day of your life. Attempt to live them. And when you stop being an armchair terrorist believing yourself to be a true hero because you see injustice BUT DO NOT ACT, then you can stand up and call yourself not only a proud citizen of the US, but a worthy representative of ALL of humanity.
I'd be glad to shake your hand then.
Until then? Necessity. Worst common denominator: The US military equation of their being in Japan. Because the worst of the US represents us all.
Have your day of silence. Have your discussions. Transfer people. But you and I know that this will all blow over, that those mediocre efforts are useless: It'll happen again and again just as it always has.
It is not with a Japanese voice that the outrage should be raised: It should be every citizen of the US that screams the loudest.
Shame on you.
The best defense I can offer in the name of the US is to be the GOOD citizen I have always been. To live my life with the precepts that surrounded me. Words, words, words. They are only a clever t-shirt and sappy sentiment unless you have the courage to live them.
And I'll tell you, weak people like YOU make it hard. Evil people like that rapist make it hard.
Proud to be an American?
Bring on your silly, uninformed dispersions. You know nothing. Be a bigot. Rest comfortably in the fact that you yourself did not commit those rapes--but would do nothing about it. Couch in the belief that the Japanese really need us here.
Pride has two meanings. I think I'm on the correct side. I think it's obvious what side YOU are on.
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Ok, I`m not going to bother with a rebuttal to every little point of your self-righteous speech, or the fact that you have the gall to assume you know what kind of person or citizen someone you know nothing about has been. What I will do though is ask you what exactly is it that you are doing to combat rape in society? B*tching about it on an online forum?... oh yeah! way to set the wheels of change in motion. Or do you run around the town at night in tights and a cape hunting them all down with the tools in your trusty utility belt? My point is you aren`t doing a thing about it either. Are you haughty enough to think you can single handedly change society? US forces leaving Japan isnt going to stop rape, it isnt going to stop murder, it isnt going to do anything about crime as a whole, so arguments that the US should leave Japan because a few of them are acting up once in a while are invalid. What are you other arguments do you have for why the US should leave Japan? You say they arent necessary, but why? The fact is just like Glenski said, the US military is still in Japan because BOTH SIDES want it. That may not be what your neighbors are saying but it is what the gov`t is saying. If the US leaving is really that big of a deal to you stop wasting time b*tching about it on an online forum and use your energy where it matters. Talk to the politicians and the Japanese gov`t. You accomplish nothing by posting on here!
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awakeneddragon,
So, you are proud to be an American. ok. Nothing wrong in that.
You have pride in the USA. Again, no problem.
I don't understand your application of the word "justice", though. Could you explain that a bit more? Your rather lengthy and well-chosen words smack of someone running for office, not chatting on an Internet forum. (No real problem with the language you choose, other than the fact that it makes it hard to understand where you are coming from sometimes, ok?)
You want the US out of Japan because of a few bad eggs (and those words are not meant to belittle the more heinous crimes they have committed, ok?). Does that mean you think there will always be such types, so American military forces should never be posted anywhere except on American soil? That would certainly maintain an image and illusion of the "nice guy" in Americans. But are you thinking of Americans' image alone? It would seem so, otherwise you'd accept the fact that US military forces are human beings and need to have rules imposed upon them to keep them in line, but even the best of intentions won't resolve that matter. Take them out and what do you have?
"Evil people like that rapist" should probably read "alleged rapist", shouldn't it? I thought you came from a land of democracy where the accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty. (Yes, the whole incident puts the US in a bad light. But you seem to want the whole military contingent out of the country.)
Oh, and I think you really went too far in calling Chidoriashi an "armchair terrorist". What gives you the right to do that?
So, you are proud to be an American. ok. Nothing wrong in that.
You have pride in the USA. Again, no problem.
I don't understand your application of the word "justice", though. Could you explain that a bit more? Your rather lengthy and well-chosen words smack of someone running for office, not chatting on an Internet forum. (No real problem with the language you choose, other than the fact that it makes it hard to understand where you are coming from sometimes, ok?)
You want the US out of Japan because of a few bad eggs (and those words are not meant to belittle the more heinous crimes they have committed, ok?). Does that mean you think there will always be such types, so American military forces should never be posted anywhere except on American soil? That would certainly maintain an image and illusion of the "nice guy" in Americans. But are you thinking of Americans' image alone? It would seem so, otherwise you'd accept the fact that US military forces are human beings and need to have rules imposed upon them to keep them in line, but even the best of intentions won't resolve that matter. Take them out and what do you have?
"Evil people like that rapist" should probably read "alleged rapist", shouldn't it? I thought you came from a land of democracy where the accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty. (Yes, the whole incident puts the US in a bad light. But you seem to want the whole military contingent out of the country.)
Oh, and I think you really went too far in calling Chidoriashi an "armchair terrorist". What gives you the right to do that?
- 21 Feb 2008
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Bully
I have strong opinions supported by strong beliefs borne from a life that I've fought for. The purpose of this thread was to post an opinion on an exceedingly touchy subject that I have no doubt is linked to many variables.
I believe I've sufficiently made clear my opinion. If people wish to start up a different thread on the ins and outs of my thoughts I'd only be too happy to go there and field questions like a battle axe or a politician or a sane human being.
What people feel are mutually exclusive doesn't make sense to me. Read into that statement what you will.
As to thoughts about solutions to this and the other evils of the world, by whomever commits them, I don't think this thread was titled for that. If someone starts such a thread I'd be interested to see it. As to what I've done to fight evil where I've seen it?
Ok. Have you ever stood up to a bully? Have you ever quit because you didn't like what you were seeing? Have you ever been fired because you did the right thing? Have you ever come to the rescue of damsels and danes in distress? The list goes on like this. If you haven't answered yes to all of the above then you aren't a person that I would like to know.
I tell you. When the world isn't looking, or worse, when it is, if you cannot make a simple statement in the defense of the victimized and the week, then you aren't just a bad citizen of whatever country you claim as yours, but a horrible human being. In this instance we make issue of citizenship, of professions, of whatever side of the fence you want to sit on. If you cannot do more say something then you've already changed the world.
I wrote my letter to the President. I wrote my letter to the Prime Minister. I didn't hide behind an avatar, a cute name and a catch phase. Full name, number and address.
What did you do?
I'll leave this topic (looking forward to others--because this all really is fascinating) with just one more thought: The rapist was evil (and I do appreciate the humor of that wonderful line "alleged." That cracks me up every time--thank you), but if nothing else understand that there is an evil greater than that: Doing nothing.
Because for all those times when I ever stood up to evil it was the people standing on the sidelines that disappointed more than anything.
Play with words all you like. Make gray/grey what is black and white.
If you aren't willing to throw yourself at the lions then you and I will never speak the same language.
Conviction. It's in your gut. Tear it out and take it for a spin. You'll make plenty of mistakes, but the point is the attempt.
I have strong opinions supported by strong beliefs borne from a life that I've fought for. The purpose of this thread was to post an opinion on an exceedingly touchy subject that I have no doubt is linked to many variables.
I believe I've sufficiently made clear my opinion. If people wish to start up a different thread on the ins and outs of my thoughts I'd only be too happy to go there and field questions like a battle axe or a politician or a sane human being.
What people feel are mutually exclusive doesn't make sense to me. Read into that statement what you will.
As to thoughts about solutions to this and the other evils of the world, by whomever commits them, I don't think this thread was titled for that. If someone starts such a thread I'd be interested to see it. As to what I've done to fight evil where I've seen it?
Ok. Have you ever stood up to a bully? Have you ever quit because you didn't like what you were seeing? Have you ever been fired because you did the right thing? Have you ever come to the rescue of damsels and danes in distress? The list goes on like this. If you haven't answered yes to all of the above then you aren't a person that I would like to know.
I tell you. When the world isn't looking, or worse, when it is, if you cannot make a simple statement in the defense of the victimized and the week, then you aren't just a bad citizen of whatever country you claim as yours, but a horrible human being. In this instance we make issue of citizenship, of professions, of whatever side of the fence you want to sit on. If you cannot do more say something then you've already changed the world.
I wrote my letter to the President. I wrote my letter to the Prime Minister. I didn't hide behind an avatar, a cute name and a catch phase. Full name, number and address.
What did you do?
I'll leave this topic (looking forward to others--because this all really is fascinating) with just one more thought: The rapist was evil (and I do appreciate the humor of that wonderful line "alleged." That cracks me up every time--thank you), but if nothing else understand that there is an evil greater than that: Doing nothing.
Because for all those times when I ever stood up to evil it was the people standing on the sidelines that disappointed more than anything.
Play with words all you like. Make gray/grey what is black and white.
If you aren't willing to throw yourself at the lions then you and I will never speak the same language.
Conviction. It's in your gut. Tear it out and take it for a spin. You'll make plenty of mistakes, but the point is the attempt.
