America better than Japan?

I agree with some of that but not all of it. Just like all great countries America will eventually fall.....maybe not like the Soviet Union where it breaks apart but I see us ending up like the British.
I have been saying since I was 13 I wanted to move elsewhere may main focus is on the three countries I find most interesting Russia/China/Japan. Although I should point out it is not too late for America to make one last stand to save itself......it is just up to our leaders if we do it or not.
This all makes me sort of sad.
 
Samuekl said:
I agree with some of that but not all of it. Just like all great countries America will eventually fall.....maybe not like the Soviet Union where it breaks apart but I see us ending up like the British.
I have been saying since I was 13 I wanted to move elsewhere may main focus is on the three countries I find most interesting Russia/China/Japan. Although I should point out it is not too late for America to make one last stand to save itself......it is just up to our leaders if we do it or not.
This all makes me sort of sad.
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Better to get out the atlas (or log on to Google Earth) and find a new country to live. Just being sad is not going to help you. America is nearly 2 years into the 4 year presidency of Obama. What has changed? Not much. The new health care bill is going to add a lot more taxes on the public. In fact, the US borrows ONE TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR just to keep going the way it is. We all know this has got to end sooner if not later. Many more will slide into poverty.

Get out while you still can. More and more Americans are leaving (a point rarely brought up by the general media.) Please see this link:

http://strategicinvestment.com/issues/si_april_2010_issue.pdf

Japan is no Rock of Gibraltar, but it is still much better off than the US. At the very lease consider Canada. But don't just sit there. Do something!
 
I dunno, as much as I want to move out of Illinois, possibly even the USA, it's a little hard to think that a writer isn't biased from a magazine called "Escape from America".
 
You must live where you are happiest. But be ready when hell breaks loose next year. Japan is wobbly, to be sure, but the US will really feel the heat in 2011. Better to move to Canada where you will be safer.
 
hsakakibara1 said:
You must live where you are happiest. But be ready when hell breaks loose next year. Japan is wobbly, to be sure, but the US will really feel the heat in 2011. Better to move to Canada where you will be safer.
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And did you know that in 2012, based on interpretations of the Mayan calender, that the world will end? 2011, 2012, it's all the same to me.
 
I must agree that America is currently having problems right now, but that is not why I want to leave. I plan on moving to japan because I am interseted in japan, and it would give me a chance to learn to things, and see how I react in unfamiliar situations, specifically where I have no possibility of getting out quickly.
I would not consider moving to be an 'escape from America' for me, because no matter where I go, I will still be an american, even if I change citizenships.
 
The problem with moving abroad is that every other first-world nation on earth has some form of national health care and more "socialism" than the US. Instead of funding a massive war machine to go off adventuring abroad, they spend their taxes on their own people at home.

If you don't like how your taxes are spent here, you must be mad about our expensive war machine, not about Obama's health care bill. It's the military-industrial complex that's sucking up our wealth, folks.

If you move to some third-world country, you can live like a king for a while, but you'll always be looking over your shoulder for that next revolution.

Canada? The government would collect all the firearms there before you have a chance to join the revolution.

No, thanks. I still think the US is the best place to live.
 
RolandtheHeadless said:
The problem with moving abroad is that every other first-world nation on earth has some form of national health care and more "socialism" than the US. Instead of funding a massive war machine to go off adventuring abroad, they spend their taxes on their own people at home.

If you don't like how your taxes are spent here, you must be mad about our expensive war machine, not about Obama's health care bill. It's the military-industrial complex that's sucking up our wealth, folks.

If you move to some third-world country, you can live like a king for a while, but you'll always be looking over your shoulder for that next revolution.

Canada? The government would collect all the firearms there before you have a chance to join the revolution.

No, thanks. I still think the US is the best place to live.
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Good for you! You stay here! Please! Enjoy it while you get poorer and poorer. That is fine. Have a ball. When I was living in Japan a few Americans had told me how the average American population was stupid, and I never believed it until I got a chance to see first hand how things worked here and how people felt.

My blessings to you and your life here. More ham and grits! Booyah!

humanityissad said:
no country is better than the other.
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True but we are discussing the economic situation, NOT culture and social values.
 
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humanityissad said:
no country is better than the other.
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I disagree. it depends on what exactly you consider "better." some countries are just happier places, more people feel satisfied with their lives. If you consider happiness important you could say it's better to live in one of the countries that ranks high for happiness. If you value beauty you could go to a country with a lot of natural beauty as opposed to a place with little natural eye candy.
I also think a country is better if it's culture encourages honesty rather than dishonesty.
 
:D so what terrible thing happened to you to make you such a negative person? it's not healthy. it just looks like you want to look for any opportunity spread your negative feelings around, even by randomly commenting on these old threads with comments that have nothing to do with the conversations going on in them.
also, nothing is wrong debate and constructive criticism.
 
its still your choice to become a negative person or not, no matter how messed up your environment is.
 
In the early 20th century, Henry Ford also understood: "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

Above Article said:
"For one thing, the impoverishment of the median voter
puts him in a position of dependence on politicians. Of course, not one voter in a thousand recognizes that the collapse of real income growth is a direct consequence of Debtist monetary policy. It is far more popular to blame "Wall Street" greed and a lack of "regulation. In other words, give politicians more control."
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That is the whole problem with a fiat currency based system as stated above and in the article. The sad part is that the average North American, Japanese, or European does not even understand it or even grasp it. Thus, the same morons who work for the banks and big corporations keep getting elected over and over again.
 
America is a Sh!thole and How to Leave It

What a ******** the United States is. What other developed (?) country do you know that refuses the very basics to its own citizens, such a access to affordable healthcare, decent housing, safe food, etc. Yet, it is more than happy to go about invading other countries to satisfy its lusts for power as well as rob them of their natural resources.

I am so glad that I will permanently leave that nation early next year for Japan, where I donﾂ't have to worry about medical coverage, where I can go to almost any restaurant and the food tastes good, unlike the dog food you get here in America, where I can walk down the streets and not have to worry about a shootout. I really want nothing to do with them. I do love the many friends I have there, but other than that, I am a non-US person.

The American government is a thief, stealing not only from other nations but from its own citizens. Under the guise of freedom and democracy, they gladly take and take and take and only promise utopia but in the end the people there get nothing.

Non-Americans must not fall for their lies. If you are unfortunate enough to be an American, you may want to get out the atlas and look for another place in the world to live. The below sites may be of interest.



Renouncing American Citizenship


Renouncing American Citizenship


Escape Artist - International Strategies For The Globally Minded
 
@hsakakibara1

You know, there's such a thing as moderation.

Instead of decrying America the worst thing since Ecoli and completely divorcing yourself from Western civilization and moving to Japan (where things wont likely get much better for you) why don't you choose a reasonable middle ground?

I don't know why disillusioned US citizens seem so eager to completely switch cultures (as if a nasty case of culture shock and communication barriers wont create it's own problems) as opposed to perhaps simply trying another country that has somewhat similar language structures and cultural norms like, I dunno, France or Italy.

Hell, move to Sweden, they seem to have gotten things right.
 
MadamePapillon said:
@hsakakibara1
You know, there's such a thing as moderation.
Instead of decrying America the worst thing since Ecoli and completely divorcing yourself from Western civilization and moving to Japan (where things wont likely get much better for you) why don't you choose a reasonable middle ground?
I don't know why disillusioned US citizens seem so eager to completely switch cultures (as if a nasty case of culture shock and communication barriers wont create it's own problems) as opposed to perhaps simply trying another country that has somewhat similar language structures and cultural norms like, I dunno, France or Italy.
Hell, move to Sweden, they seem to have gotten things right.
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Because Ameria is becoming the ******** of the world, and there is not reason why I can't warm others of it. Japan is thousands of times better than that place. Not only that, but I am tired of you Westerners telling us how to criticize and not to criticize your countries.

Sweden, yes its good. At least they dont invade others under the guise of democracy and freedom just to get resources.

I encourage all those that feel the same way to stop reading and listening to all the propaganda spouting forth from Hollywood, and consider moving elsewhere.
 
MadamePapillon said:
@hsakakibara1
You know, there's such a thing as moderation.
Instead of decrying America the worst thing since Ecoli and completely divorcing yourself from Western civilization and moving to Japan (where things wont likely get much better for you) why don't you choose a reasonable middle ground?
I don't know why disillusioned US citizens seem so eager to completely switch cultures (as if a nasty case of culture shock and communication barriers wont create it's own problems) as opposed to perhaps simply trying another country that has somewhat similar language structures and cultural norms like, I dunno, France or Italy.
Hell, move to Sweden, they seem to have gotten things right.
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I totally agree.

hsakakibara1, I think your extremism makes it hard for you to be taken seriously. Aside from that though, what exactly makes you think you know so much about Japan, (and that it is going to give you so much more in life), or any other place on the planet for that matter (aside from where you are from, I assume America)? And given that, what is it that makes you the expert on whether or not America is in such bad shape compared to the rest of the planet? Do you really have any real first hand experience to back up how you feel?

I would really like to know what your image of Japan is and how much time have you actually spent here?

You seem to me to be an angry version of all the people around who idolize Japan as some sort of paradise on earth and yet in reality know very little, and probably much less than they think they do about it.

I have lived more than 6 years of my life here. It is just a place on earth, and it has its good and bad points, albeit more good than bad in my opinion.
 
Oh give me a break, you people. I have given you links with financial and statistical facts you choose to ignore them. Fine. But as America sinks into depression we will see who is right or wrong. I am glad to be getting out of this place and going back. In the long run we will be better off, altho with all that "land of the free, home of the brave" bullshit you all are brainwashed with from childhood, I really doubt you can tell what is real and what is not, anymore. (And I don't blame you.)

As far as moderation is concerned, I read a lot of harsh things about Japan in this forum which I don't see you objecting to. Facts are facts and speak for themselves.

Above I posted the latest link. Let those that want to know the truth enjoy. As for you, keep your heads buried in the sand, in the near future China will own you.
 
hsakakibara1 said:
Oh give me a break, you people. I have given you links with financial and statistical facts you choose to ignore them. Fine. But as America sinks into depression we will see who is right or wrong. I am glad to be getting out of this place and going back. In the long run we will be better off, altho with all that "land of the free, home of the brave" bullshit you all are brainwashed with from childhood, I really doubt you can tell what is real and what is not, anymore. (And I don't blame you.)
As far as moderation is concerned, I read a lot of harsh things about Japan in this forum which I don't see you objecting to. Facts are facts and speak for themselves.
Above I posted the latest link. Let those that want to know the truth enjoy. As for you, keep your heads buried in the sand, in the near future China will own you.
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Ask some legitimate questions and get a wacko response, yeah, not worth my time. Bye
 
Hello to All,
After WWII all young people from free Europe wanted to emigrate to America. The U.S.A was our promissed paradise on earth. But not too many of us could enter America in those days.
So we emigrated to Canada, to Australia, to New Zealand and South Africa. For we all wanted one thing and that was leaving Europe as fast as we could.
Quite some of the mentioned former emigrants came back again to Europe.
Living in Europe is not so bad nowadays. Germany and France are our strongest motors.

I guess that life goes up and down. America and Japan have been very rich for a long time since WWII.
Today China climbes up and how!!
But I have experienced that to work and live in other countries than your own for a while, has such an enriching of your look on life and your way of thinking. It will show you that we are all different and yet that we are all so alike. That is very beautiful really.
 
I really can't see how you're so focused on America being about to tumble into the great abyss of financial ruin and yet you COMPLETELY ignore Japans similar situation.

Japans has, what, 4 prime ministers in the past few years, a sputtering economy, creative and innovative stagnation that's resulting in it's falling behind in the global market, a greying population that they refuse to bolster with immigration, a lackluster education system that (from what I've heard) rivals America in it's ineffectiveness and lack of focus on global awareness. I could go on but I think you get the idea.

Wasn't this the country that 20 odd years ago everyone was going on about how it was going to overtake the failing US as the new innovative, creative and financial powerhouse?
Looks like Chinas taken that seat. I'll try to be here in another 20 years to see how THAT prediction pans out.
 

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