～てまで

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UsoToChinmoku

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• 13 Sep 2015

• #1

1. 死んでまで復讐したい。

2.死ぬまで復讐したい。

Is my interpretation correct that: 1. means "I want to take revenge even if it means going as far as dying." and 2. simply means "I want to take revenge before/until I die."?

Does the ～するまで structure always show "until(a time)"? Or are there exceptions where it could mean extent?


While we're on-topic, how does the nuance differ between まで and までに?

死ぬまで読むべき名作。
死ぬまでに読むべき名作。

 

Toritoribe

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• 13 Sep 2015

• #2

Yes.

Yes. No.

まで means までずっと, whereas までに is for "sometime before ~".
死ぬまで読むべき名作。: a masterpiece you should read repeatedly until you die
死ぬまでに読むべき名作。: a masterpiece you should read/finish reading until/before you die
e.g.
夜が明けるまで、彼女と話した。（＝夜が明けるまでずっと、彼女と話し続けた。）
I kept talking with her until dawn.
夜が明けるまでに、彼女と話した。（＝夜が明ける前に、彼女と話した。）
I talked with her (sometime) before dawn.

昼まで寝た。（＝ 昼までずっと眠り続けた。）
I kept sleeping until noon.
昼までに寝た。（＝ 昼までに眠りについた。）
I went to bed (sometime) before noon.

 

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UsoToChinmoku

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• 13 Sep 2015

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• #3

Thanks as usual!

 

Trin

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• 23 Sep 2015

• #4

Thank you so much! This is really helpful to me.