評価 / とかって / 切羽詰ったら... / だって / 世の中...

[eeky]

Hi,


1. Previous sentence for context: ほんと、木村課長っていうのは、それほど能力もないし ・・・下の人をいじめる～だけが趣味だから・・・。I believe this means "Section head Kimura doesn't really have that much ability ... his only interest is in bullying his subordinates.", though I am a little unclear about the logic of から.

The next line is spoken by the person who is being bullied by Kimura:

そうね～。でも、やっぱりね～・・・。やっぱり上司で しょう。んで～、評価だってされるわけだし・・・。

I'm guessing the first three sentences are essentially saying "that's typical of bosses", but I don't understand the last sentence at all. What does it mean?


2. その彼、なんか電話しづらくなちゃって・・・、私のこ と避けてるのかなぁとかって思ったらさ・・・。

My translation: "It's becoming kind of hard to get him [= speaker's boyfriend] on the phone ... I'm wondering if he's avoiding me or something."

a) とかって = とか ("or something") + って (quoting), right?

b) Why the conditional form 思ったら?


3. The speaker is encouraging his friend who is having problems writing his thesis:

大丈夫だよ。切羽詰ったらね、結構書けるって、先輩も 言ってたよ。

I do not understand this well enough to attempt a translation. What does it mean?


4. 私なんかさ、まだ資料だって集まってないよ。

I'm guessing this could mean "I haven't yet collected the information [for my thesis] either."

As usual, I am unsure about だって. Does it mean "too", in this case translatable as "either" -- i.e., as well as not doing some other things, he has not collected the information?


5. The speaker is consoling his friend about his friend's failure to get into his chosen university.

ま、世の中、そう簡単にはいかないかもしれないな。

Does this essentially mean "maybe things aren't so easy in the world" (i.e. the world is a difficult place, you must expect setbacks, etc.)?

 

[Toritoribe]

1)
The speaker is saying that the boss's only interest is ~, so 気にすることないよ "you don't need to take too much notice of him" or something along the line.

やっぱり means "anyway". He is her boss anyway/in the end.

2) a)
Yes.

b)
That's an inversion, too. 私のこと避けてるのかなぁとかって思ったら、電話しづ らくなっちゃって（今は電話してない）.

3)
「切羽詰ったら結構書ける」って、先輩も言ってた。

4)
Yes, but "even" is more close to me.

5)
Yes.

 

[eeky]

Thank you.

1. Could you possibly help in more detail with the last sentence, んで～、評価だってされるわけだし・・・? I can see individual words, but I have no clue how they combine to produce a coherent meaning along the lines you outlined.

2b. Who is the subject of 思ったら?

3. Could it mean "A senior student said 'if you are up against the wall then you can write (your thesis) well'"? I.e., is the speaker passing on some advice he has heard from another student, basically saying that people work well in adversity?

 

[Toritoribe]

1)
He is my boss, and I'm rated by him in the end (so I can't ignore him/it's impossible not to take notice of him).

2) b)
The speaker "I"

3)
Yes, that's right. 結構 means more likely "not perfect but relatively/unexpectedly good" or something, though.

 

[eeky]

Thanks Toritoribe


1. 評価だってされるわけだし・・・。

I think I get this now except for the intervening だって, which seems to split the phrase 評価される. What is the purpose of だって?


3. That's what I thought, but I'm sorry, I cannot figure out why the conditional form 思ったら is used, regardless of whether the sentence is written in its original form or in your uninverted form. Can you shed any more light on that?

 

[Toritoribe]

1)
It means "too/also" implying "even".

2)(not #3, right?)
たら can be used also for the present or past fact. That's the same as 思って or 思ったから here.

 

[eeky]

Oh yes, sorry, I meant (2b).

I still feel that I am missing the point of this sentence. Let's look at your version, which I understand is in the logical order:

私のこと避けてるのかなぁとかって思ったら、電話しづ らくなっちゃって

Let's write this as Ａって思ったら、Ｂ. So far I have been assuming that A means "(I wonder whether) he is avoiding me". I was guessing B means "it is getting difficult to phone him" (i.e. he is hard to get hold of on the phone), but I am not even sure that this is right, or who the subject of 電話しづ らくなっちゃって is.

What is the semantic relationship between A and B (temporal, cause/effect, or whatever)? If you can put the whole thing into English in a way that demonstrates this relationship, that would be most helpful to me.

 

[Toritoribe]

That's "cause/effect", and the subject of 電話しづらくなっちゃって is also the speaker. She suspects that he might be avoiding her, so she is hesitating about making a phone call to him.

 

[eeky]

Thank you, I see it now. (In the end, the root cause of my difficulty with this sentence was not really ～たら, or the inverted order, but misunderstanding the nuance of ～づらく.)