E eeky 先輩 Joined 8 Jun 2010 Messages 2,431 Reaction score 22 14 Oct 2013 #1 1. サツにハジキを持っているのをみつかるなよ。 Translation given: "Don't let the cops find a heater on you." Where does the sense of "let" come from? Is it implied by に? 2. 彼のビジネスプランは立派だけど、勘定あって銭足らず 、という気もするけどね。 Translation given: "His business plan looks good on paper but I get the feeling it would never work in practice." What is あって? Is it part of a compound 勘定あって? If so, what compound is that? 3. 「おんどりゃー馬鹿言ってんじゃねー」農家は言った。 Translation given: "Don't say such rubbish!" said the farmer. What is the りゃー part of this? I mean, is it a contraction of something?
1. サツにハジキを持っているのをみつかるなよ。 Translation given: "Don't let the cops find a heater on you." Where does the sense of "let" come from? Is it implied by に? 2. 彼のビジネスプランは立派だけど、勘定あって銭足らず 、という気もするけどね。 Translation given: "His business plan looks good on paper but I get the feeling it would never work in practice." What is あって? Is it part of a compound 勘定あって? If so, what compound is that? 3. 「おんどりゃー馬鹿言ってんじゃねー」農家は言った。 Translation given: "Don't say such rubbish!" said the farmer. What is the りゃー part of this? I mean, is it a contraction of something?
Toritoribe 松葉解禁 Moderator Fifteen-year veteran Joined 22 Feb 2008 Messages 18,266 Reaction score 4,926 14 Oct 2013 #2 1) I think it's from みつかる. It's close to the passive みつけられる here. 2) It's a saying like a maxim or proverb, using a bit classical grammar. 勘定あって銭足らず = 勘定はあって( / あるけど)銭は足らない 3) おんどりゃー/おんどれ is a rude way of saying "you". It's from おのれ.
1) I think it's from みつかる. It's close to the passive みつけられる here. 2) It's a saying like a maxim or proverb, using a bit classical grammar. 勘定あって銭足らず = 勘定はあって( / あるけど)銭は足らない 3) おんどりゃー/おんどれ is a rude way of saying "you". It's from おのれ.
E eeky 先輩 Joined 8 Jun 2010 Messages 2,431 Reaction score 22 14 Oct 2013 Thread starter #3 Thank you, 1) Would this still mean the same if に was changed to が?
Toritoribe 松葉解禁 Moderator Fifteen-year veteran Joined 22 Feb 2008 Messages 18,266 Reaction score 4,926 14 Oct 2013 #4 No, it doesn't. が indicates "what is found" or "the one who is found" when used with みつかる.
E eeky 先輩 Joined 8 Jun 2010 Messages 2,431 Reaction score 22 15 Oct 2013 Thread starter #5 So it would be the combination of に with みつかる that creates the correct meaning?
Toritoribe 松葉解禁 Moderator Fifteen-year veteran Joined 22 Feb 2008 Messages 18,266 Reaction score 4,926 15 Oct 2013 #7 More accurately, ~に見つかるな creates "Don't let ~ find". An affirmative declarative sentence, e.g., 警察に銃が見つかる/見つかった, doesn't mean "let". (Sorry, I should have answered like this in the first place.)
More accurately, ~に見つかるな creates "Don't let ~ find". An affirmative declarative sentence, e.g., 警察に銃が見つかる/見つかった, doesn't mean "let". (Sorry, I should have answered like this in the first place.)
E eeky 先輩 Joined 8 Jun 2010 Messages 2,431 Reaction score 22 15 Oct 2013 Thread starter #8 OK, thanks.