作文も同様で ...

[eeky]

Hiya,

作文も同様で、例えばアルバイトについて書かせるから 、クラスで話し合いをしてから、宿題として出す。

I understand this is something to do with written compositions, having students write about their part-time jobs for example, having class discussions and giving out homework, but I don't understand how the linking words join everything together or what the overall purpose of the sentence is. Could anyone enlighten me?

 

[Toritoribe]

Isn't it アルバイトについて書かせるなら?

 

[undrentide]

Hiya,

作文も同様で、例えばアルバイトについて書かせるから、クラスで話し合いをしてから、宿題として出す。

I understand this is something to do with written compositions, having students write about their part-time jobs for example, having class discussions and giving out homework, but I don't understand how the linking words join everything together or what the overall purpose of the sentence is. Could anyone enlighten me?

I guess this sentence is related to
まず質問の練習などをさせてからの方が効果があがる。
in your earlier post.

And I wonder if it is 作文も同様で、例えばアルバイトについて書かせるなら、クラスで話し合いをしてから、宿題として出す。?

作文も同様で、
it (= more effectiveness with making students practice first) is the same about composition

例えばアルバイトについて書かせるなら、
if the teacher make (students) write about the part-time jobs

クラスで話し合いをしてから、
first let the class discuss about it, then

宿題として出す
give it (=composition) to them as homework.

（・・・方が効果があがる。）

 

[eeky]

I guess this sentence is related to
まず質問の練習などをさせてからの方が効果があがる。

Yes, it directly follows it.

And I wonder if it is 作文も同様で、例えばアルバイトについて書かせるなら、クラスで話し合いをしてから、宿題として出す。?

Yes, sorry, that was my typo.

作文も同様で、
it (= more effectiveness with making students practice first) is the same about composition

I am a little confused about で here. Can I interpret it as a sort of topic marker, meaning "as far as compositions and suchlike are concerned..."?

宿題として出す

So, 出す is an imperative here? (The text is addressed to the teacher.)

 

[Toritoribe]

I am a little confused about で here. Can I interpret it as a sort of topic marker, meaning "as far as compositions and suchlike are concerned..."?

Gramatically, this で is the -te form of the copula だ.

So, 出す is an imperative here? (The text is addressed to the teacher.)

No. As undrentide-san wrote, something like （出す）方が効果があがる/方がいい is omitted at the sentence end.

 

[eeky]

Gramatically, this で is the -te form of the copula だ.

I hope I've realised where the problem lies. I was previously assuming that 作文も同様 meant "compositions and similar things", and trying to make で attach to that. Now I'm thinking it should be split as:

作文も = (for) compositions too,
同様で = it is the same

This is more or less what @undrentide wrote, but I didn't match it correctly to the words of the sentence.

Have I got this roughly correct now?

No. As undrentide-san wrote, something like （出す）方が効果があがる/方がいい is omitted at the sentence end.

So, without the previous sentence to provide these missing words, this sentence does not grammatically sustain itself?

 

[undrentide]

I hope I've realised where the problem lies. I was previously assuming that 作文も同様 meant "compositions and similar things", and trying to make で attach to that. Now I'm thinking it should be split as:

作文も = (for) compositions too,
同様で = it is the same

This is more or less what undrentide wrote, but I didn't match it correctly to the words of the sentence.

Have I got this roughly correct now?

You've got it right.
If literally translated, it would be something like
composition is also (in) the same (situation).

So, without the previous sentence to provide these missing words, this sentence does not grammatically sustain itself?

No, not really.
If one reads this without any context,
作文も同様で、例えばアルバイトについて書かせるなら 、クラスで話し合いをしてから、宿題として出す。
one would feel it is not stating the main point and would think "... and what?"
e.g.
「作文も・・・宿題として出す」とどうなんだ？宿題として出すといい？宿題としてだすべきだ？？なにがいいたいんだろう？would be a typical reaction. ;-)

 

[eeky]

No, not really.

Thanks undrentide. I think this partly explains why I originally did not understand the purpose of the sentence. Of course, I did not realise I needed to assume those omitted words!