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[Elizabeth]

Hi, I have a question that's been on my mind for a while now. how do i determine whether a kanji suru verb is transitive or intransitive. it is not shown on dictionaries.

What's a kanji suru verb ? Sino-Japanese compound kanji (noun) -suru verbs?? :emoji_blush:

勉強する
滞在しています。

etc,,,

 

[FinancialWar]

What's a kanji suru verb ? Sino-Japanese compound kanji (noun) -suru verbs?? :emoji_blush:

勉強する
滞在しています。

etc,,,

Yes, some kanji-suru verb that are easy to identify are for example.

Obviously transitive 漢字する verbs

勉強する ： 私は日本語を勉強する。(obviously you have to study an object, therefore it must be a transitive)

訓練する ： 戦争のために俺達は銃撃を訓練する。 (you must have an object to practice/train with)

Obviously intransitive 漢字する verbs

緊張する ： 私は緊張する (emotional expression, must be intransitive, no object involved, just the topic/subject)

避難する ： 彼女は雷雨から避難する。 (the subject is escaping from the rain, there is no object)

Now these kanji suru verbs are all easy and simple and obvious. but most kanji suru verbs are confusing in there usage. for example the word 怪我する。

Does 怪我する have the same meaning as 痛む or 痛める？ does it mean "i'm hurt' or "i hurt someone"?

向上する ＝ 上げる or 上がる？
連続する ＝ 続く or 続ける？
etc

 

[Elizabeth]

yes, some kanji-suru verb that are easy to identify are for example

obviously transitive 漢字する verbs

勉強する ： 私は日本語を勉強する。(obviously you have to study an object, therefore it must be a transitive)

訓練する ： 戦争のために俺達は銃撃を訓練する。 (you must have an object to practice/train with)

obviously intransitive 漢字する verbs

緊張する ： 私は緊張する (emotional expression, must be intransitive, no object involved, just the topic/subject)

避難する ： 彼女は雷雨から避難する。 (the subject is escaping from the rain, there is no object)

now these kanji suru verbs are all easy and simple and obvious. but most kanji suru verbs are confusing in there usage. for example the word 怪我する。

does 怪我する have the same meaning as 痛む or 痛める？ does it mean "i'm hurt' or "i hurt someone"?

向上する ＝ 上げる or 上がる？
連続する ＝ 続く or 続ける？
etc

I don't understand what you're asking exactly (may be my exhaustion in play as well.). At least from the original question, 怪我する is driven by the verb and thus transitive because する can always take an object.

 

[kbrownridge]

Grammar and kanji order question

The meaning I'm looking for is "Dragon Lovers" - meaning two dragons as a pair in love.
Not "a dragon lover" - one who loves dragons.
So I'm unclear in which order the kanji should appear.
Is it:
恋人の竜
or
竜の恋人
Then should I be using the more common kanji: 竜
Or the less used: 龍
Then there's the proper pronounciation:
For the last one, is it
りゅうのこいびと
Ryuu no koribito
or
たつのこいびと
Tatsu no koribito?
Of course, I could be completely wrong altogether so your help is appreciated.
Kirk

 

[Kirakira1232]

I don't understand what you're asking exactly (may be my exhaustion in play as well.). At least from the original question, 怪我する is driven by the verb and thus transitive because する can always take an object.

I agree with Elizabeth...I always thought suru by default was transitive. Suru's intransitive is naru I had always thought.

Dont forget that suru can also describe a state or a feeling or sense:

eg. Kanji ga suru, nioi ga suru, anshin suru, kinchou suru, kega suru, ki ni suru...

Doushite sonna ni kao wo shiteru no?
Whats with that expression on your face?

 

[Kirakira1232]

The meaning I'm looking for is "Dragon Lovers" - meaning two dragons as a pair in love.
Not "a dragon lover" - one who loves dragons.
So I'm unclear in which order the kanji should appear.
Is it:
恋人の竜
or
竜の恋人
Then should I be using the more common kanji: 竜
Or the less used: 龍
Then there's the proper pronounciation:
For the last one, is it
りゅうのこいびと
Ryuu no koribito
or
たつのこいびと
Tatsu no koribito?
Of course, I could be completely wrong altogether so your help is appreciated.
Kirk

Ryuu no Koibito would mean "The Dragon's Lover"

To say what you want to say I think it would be...

恋を落ちている竜の夫婦
koi wo ochiteiru ryuu no fuufu
A dragon couple that have fallen in love -> Dragon Lovers.

I'm not sure if fuufu can be used in the context of animals or mythical creatures however...

 

[undrentide]

Yes, some kanji-suru verb that are easy to identify are for example

Obviously transitive 漢字する verbs

勉強する ： 私は日本語を勉強する。(obviously you have to study an object, therefore it must be a transitive)

訓練する ： 戦争のために俺達は銃撃を訓練する。 (you must have an object to practice/train with)

obviously intransitive 漢字する verbs

緊張する ： 私は緊張する (emotional expression, must be intransitive, no object involved, just the topic/subject)

避難する ： 彼女は雷雨から避難する。 (the subject is escaping from the rain, there is no object)

Now these kanji suru verbs are all easy and simple and obvious. but most kanji suru verbs are confusing in there usage. for example the word 怪我する。
does 怪我する have the same meaning as 痛む or 痛める？ does it mean "i'm hurt' or "i hurt someone"?

向上する ＝ 上げる or 上がる？
連続する ＝ 続く or 続ける？
etc

～する is just like other verbs using kanji, you cannot automatically decide whether it is transitive or intransitive, you have to see it from the meaning.
勉強する can be both intransitive and transitive because it can take object (like your example 日本語を勉強する） but it can stand on its own as well, like 毎日勉強する.
It is the same with the English verb "study", it can be used either as transitive and intransitive.
study | meaning of study in Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English | LDOCE

怪我する or 怪我をする means "to get hurt".
痛む means "to ache", 痛める meanst "to damage (a part of your body)".
i.e.
昨日、怪我をした。
階段で転んで膝を痛めてしまったのだ。
今日になってもまだときどき膝が痛む。

向上する means "to improve" (intransitive)
連続する is similar to 続く, meaning to follow, to continue (intransitive)
続ける is transitive (to continue).

 

[Toritoribe]

Hi, I have a question that's been on my mind for a while now. How do I determine whether a kanji suru verb is transitive or intransitive. It is not shown on dictionaries.

三省堂 新明解国語辞典 第六版 gives basic sentence structures for major verbs/adjectives including suru-verbs.

あいさつする、挨拶する １．＜だれニ＞
あいずする、合図する １．＜だれニ（なにヲ）＞
あいする、愛する １． ＜だれ・なにヲ＞

新明解国語辞典第6版【内容見本】

 

[Elizabeth]

I agree with Elizabeth...I always thought suru by default was transitive. Suru's intransitive is naru I had always thought.
Dont forget that suru can also describe a state or a feeling or sense:
eg. Kanji ga suru, nioi ga suru, anshin suru, kinchou suru, kega suru, ki ni suru...
Doushite sonna ni kao wo shiteru no?
Whats with that expression on your face?

Sorry, I was too sick to even read the question properly yesterday.


Besides, being normally so clear from the context, it wasn't something I had recognized or ever thought about consciously. But aren't Naru's transitive Nasu/Suru ??

 

[kbrownridge]

Best Character Choice and Literal Translation

Couple of things, I was reading a text in Japanese and came across this:
愛は決して絶えません
Google could not translate the last part: 絶えません
But it correctly translated this: 絶え間せん
Which one is more correct to use: ま or 間 in the negative form of 絶える
Second thing, I know the English meaning of the sentence is "Love never fails", but out of curiousity I'd like to know a more exact literal translation.
Best I could come up with was "Love is not not constant".
Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[Elizabeth]

Couple of things, I was reading a text in Japanese and came across this:
愛は決して絶えません
Google could not translate the last part: 絶えません
But it correctly translated this: 絶え間せん
Which one is more correct to use: ま or 間 in the negative form of 絶える
Second thing, I know the English meaning of the sentence is "Love never fails", but out of curiousity I'd like to know a more exact literal translation.
Best I could come up with was "Love is not not constant".
Thanks in advance for your help.

絶えません。 Kanji is incorrect for the hiragana ます stem. At least insofar as I've ever encountered. The meaning is constant, ceaseless, never dying.

Perhaps you were thinking 絶え間ない as an adjective ??

 

[Tomii515]

Hi. I have this thing that I'm doing where some people from my friend's school (plus me) are meeting some Japanese people via his Japanese class. We can also make a penpal through e-mail, and I'm e-mailing the person now. But there's this one sentence I'm trying to say, but not sure how...

I'm trying to say "My friend [name] who goes to [school name] invited me to go meet you all (as in, all the kids who are coming from the Japanese school to meet us and hang out with us, etc), so I think that the people from [agency] thought I went to [school]." ...or something like that.

「高校の名前」に通っている「友達の名前｣という友達は、あなたたちに会い行くのに僕を招待したから、「agency name」から人は僕が「高校の名前｣に通っていると思うでしょう。

I don't know if that's anywhere near correct... But someone please correct me if this is wrong? Thanks!

 

[undrentide]

Hi. I have this thing that I'm doing where some people from my friend's school (plus me) are meeting some Japanese people via his Japanese class. We can also make a penpal through e-mail, and I'm e-mailing the person now. But there's this one sentence I'm trying to say, but not sure how...

I'm trying to say "My friend [name] who goes to [school name] invited me to go meet you all (as in, all the kids who are coming from the Japanese school to meet us and hang out with us, etc), so I think that the people from [agency] thought I went to [school]." ...or something like that.

「高校の名前」に通っている「友達の名前｣という友達は、あなたたちに会い行くのに僕を招待したから、「agency name」から人は僕が「高校の名前｣に通っていると思うでしょう。

I don't know if that's anywhere near correct... But someone please correct me if this is wrong? Thanks!

If I make corrections based on your original sentence;
「高校の名前」に通っている「友達の名前｣という友達が、あなたたちに会い行くのに僕を誘ってくれたので、「agency name」の人は僕も「高校の名前｣に通っていると思うでしょう。

To make it sound more natural, I would write based on the following facts:
1. you were invited to go and meet those people from Japan
2. the friend who invited you is a student from a certain high school.
3. because of 2, the people from the agent are likely to think you are also from the same high school.


僕を（みなさんに会いに行くのに）誘ってくれた（友人の名前）は（高校の名前）に通っているので、（agency）の人は僕も（高校の名前）に通っていると思うのではないでしょうか。

 

[Ashikaga]

Hi. I have this thing that I'm doing where some people from my friend's school (plus me) are meeting some Japanese people via his Japanese class. We can also make a penpal through e-mail, and I'm e-mailing the person now. But there's this one sentence I'm trying to say, but not sure how...

I'm trying to say "My friend [name] who goes to [school name] invited me to go meet you all (as in, all the kids who are coming from the Japanese school to meet us and hang out with us, etc), so I think that the people from [agency] thought I went to [school]." ...or something like that.

「高校の名前」に通っている「友達の名前｣という友達は、あなたたちに会い行くのに僕を招待したから、「agency name」から人は僕が「高校の名前｣に通っていると思うでしょう。

I don't know if that's anywhere near correct... But someone please correct me if this is wrong? Thanks!

足利高校に通っているトミーという友達に誘われて（皆さんに会いに）行ったので、JREF Agency の人は僕も足利高校の生徒だと思ったようです。

EDIT : I see that Undrentide has got to this one already... and her translation sounds better than mine. :emoji_wave:


To say "invite someone to do something together", I would use 誘う instead of 招待する, which is a bit more formal. Also, while 誘う usually means "to invite you along", 招待する means that you are treating the invited, i.e. inviting someone for dinner at your house, inviting someone to see a show (you are paying for the ticket, etc).

 

[undrentide]

EDIT : I see that Undrentide has got to this one already... and her translation sounds better than mine.

...but I forgot to make mine past tense...
なのでＡＳＨＩＫＡＧＡさんの例文を参考にしてくださいね。＞Tomii

 

[Tomii515]

undrentide, ASHIKAGA, thanks so much!
Both your fixed sentences and extra info helped a lot, so thanks

 

[Elizabeth]

足利高校に通っているトミーという友達に誘われて（皆さんに会いに）行ったので、JREF Agency の人は僕も足利高校の生徒だと思ったようです。
EDIT : I see that Undrentide has got to this one already... and her translation sounds better than mine.
To say "invite someone to do something together", I would use 誘う instead of 招待する, which is a bit more formal. Also, while 誘う usually means "to invite you along", 招待する means that you are treating the invited, i.e. inviting someone for dinner at your house, inviting someone to see a show (you are paying for the ticket, etc).

I thought of 呼ぶ too. But it's still a marginal meaning of issuing an invitation to your own activity.

 

[VerbalEssence]

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could help me with a letter I'm trying to write.
So, I'm currently in contact with an artist to request a custom drawing.
I sent an initial email to which he responded that he can accept if he has time, the content is acceptable, and the price is suitable.
Unfortunately I don't really remember how to say any of the following statements in japanese.

"When will you have time/ When is your schedule free?"
I managed: いついつ空きありですか?
Not sure if that's right or even close.

"There is no deadline, so take your time."
I managed: きげんはありません, だから.......
Don't know how to say take your time

"What kind of content is acceptable/ unacceptable?"

"I will let you decide the price of the request."
The last two I don't really have a clue as to how it's said in japanese.

 

[Ashikaga]

I thought of 呼ぶ too. But it's still a marginal meaning of issuing an invitation to your own activity.

ahhh right. I think 呼ぶ would be the most casual of the lot.


This is a little bit off topic but where I live, we use 呼ばれる to say （食べ物を）頂く、ご馳走になる.

叔父さんの家でうどんを呼ばれて来た。

おいしそうなケーキ！ 呼ばれていこうかな？

In above examples, 呼ばれる does not mean "being invited" as in お呼ばれ but "to eat".

I wonder if this usage is limited to my neck of the woods....

 

[VerbalEssence]

Need Some Help Translating This

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could help me with a letter I'm trying to write.
So, I'm currently in contact with an artist to request a custom drawing.
I sent an initial email to which he responded that he can accept if he has time, the content is acceptable, and the price is suitable.
Unfortunately I don't really remember how to say any of the following statements in Japanese.

"When will you have time/ When is your schedule free?"
I managed: いついつ空きありですか?
Not sure if that's right or even close.

"There is no deadline, so take your time."
I managed: きげんはありません, だから.......
Don't know how to say take your time

"What kind of content is acceptable/ unacceptable?"

"I will let you decide the price of the request."
The last two I don't really have a clue as to how it's said in Japanese.

 

[nice gaijin]

Are you certain that simple English wouldn't do the trick?

 

[VerbalEssence]

Are you certain that simple English wouldn't do the trick?

I'm pretty certain
His response to my first letter was in Japanese and I haven't really seen any indication on his homepage that he will understand English, so I'm sticking with my limited Japanese just to be safe.

 

[indigozeal]

To pick up on my previous question a few days ago:

どうして急に全部日本語ばかりなんだ？

I have to practice somehow, don't I?
I'm afraid I am indeed copying the sentence exactly as written. Here's the paragraph around it:
「彼の頭の中はこの嬢ちゃん と同じですよ。 鳥は大好きな物、うわっついたもの、
フワフワ夢うつつで、未知への期待にいっぱいです。
遠いばかり眺めては鳥の群れに立ち止まる。いつだか急に鳥に夢中になっちまっ
た。あれはどうしてだったかなぁ」
(Regarding the first sentence, there's a little girl present who loves birds as well.)
"Fuwafuwa" is the last thing bothering me about the sentence (and I think we're all familiar with the WWWJDIC). It's mainly the meaning of the "uwattsuita mono" part; to which possible object, the professor or the birds, it and the "yumeutsutsu de" could apply; and the odd, run-on structure that puzzle me.
(Why all the worry about where I got the book? If you're all afraid of me poisoning my pristine mind, I appreciate the concern, but I can assure you it's nothing dirty (and not a doujinshi or anything like that). Really, I don't think anyone's going to run to the library to check out the title, are they?)

 

[Ashikaga]

(Why all the worry about where I got the book? It's nothing dirty (and not a doujinshi or anything like that); are you all afraid of me poisoning my pristine mind? I don't think anyone's going to run to the library to check out the title, are they?)

Why is this a big secret??? All I asked was the name of the book and who wrote it. Why? Because the line that you had posted made no sense, and it sounded like something that was written by someone who did not have a firm grasp of the Japanese language, or it was something that had been translated from another language using one of those online translator.

I will wait for you to post the sentences preceding/following the one you posted.

 

[indigozeal]

I apologize, but I don't understand why the information is necessary. It's the surrounding text that will help with context; the title and author matter only if someone is planning on retrieving a copy of the actual book, which is unlikely. It seems that I'm being asked to prove that the sentence came from an actual book and that I didn't make it up, which is a bit bizarre. I know the sentence is odd; that's why I asked about it here.

The title isn't a secret, and I don't mean to be uncooperative; I just take a bit of umbrage at the intense curiosity into what I'm reading.