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[checho]

well i suppose he really did...
thank you very much guys

 

[lilyofthevalley]

Can someone explain ちゃった to me? I see a lot of people use it to make verbs past tense (I think?) like 見ちゃった or 食べちゃった, but in school I always learned to just add た to make verbs past, like 見た or 食べた.

 

[Elizabeth]

Can someone explain ちゃった to me? I see a lot of people use it to make verbs past tense (I think?) like 見ちゃった or 食べちゃった, but in school I always learned to just add た to make verbs past, like 見た or 食べた.

Here's a previous thread to cut your teeth on first :

Chatta form? | Japan Forum

 

[ハダカ]

A little phrase from Tenchu I. Smth like:
ぬ何者。あくよぐのかすかず。みのがくしねまいくしねまいかむ。 That speech was almost untranslatable ^^ Can you do that?

 

[chickie]

ぬ何者。あくよぐのかすかず。みのがくしねまいくしねまいかむ。

ハダカ-san, the above phrase doesn't make any sense to me.:?
Do you know the exact words?

 

[Libre]

lilyofthevalley:
ちゃった is used when an event that the talker was not intended occured.

見ちゃった happen to see
彼女のケーキを彼が食べちゃった He ate the cake though it was hers.

personal normal: しちゃった
personal polite: しちゃいました
formal normal: してしまった
formal polite: してしまいました


ハダカ:
Maybe it was 「ぬ、何者。悪行の数々、見逃すわけにはいかぬ」 or something.
ぬ、なにもの。あくぎょうのかずかず、みのがすわけにはいかぬ
"Who are you? I can't overlook your numerous misdeeds."

 

[Libre]

Ah, and ちゃった also implies that the event has already done and things will never be turned back again.

 

[Elizabeth]

Ah, and ちゃった also implies that the event has already done and things will never be turned back again.

I think it can have connotations of both completely and regretfully -- also giving the speaker a light, feminine imprint -- but it has to be confirmed that this is from a Tokyo perspective.

In Kansai usage chau is totally more regular.

 

[undrentide]

In Kansai usage chau is totally more regular.

I believe that "chau" in Kansai ben is something quite different...
In Kansai ben one would say ～（し）てまう instead of ～（し）ちゃう。
ちゃう in Kansai is the same as ちがう in standard Japanese or Tokyo ben.

 

[Elizabeth]

I believe that "chau" in Kansai ben is something quite different...
In Kansai ben one would say ～（し）てまう instead of ～（し）ちゃう。
ちゃう in Kansai is the same as ちがう in standard Japanese or Tokyo ben.

「ちがうちがう！」の変わりに「ちゃう ちゃう！」という風に、おもしろいでしょうね。
大阪で「ちゃった」を使うと男も女もきざッぽく聞こえるそうだったけど。。


ところで、東京では、「～～ちゃう、ちゃった」をよく使う言い方は少し軽いイメージがありすね。

でも、テレビなど見てても、東京では普通に使われているようですけど。。

 

[Charles Barkley]

What does らしき mean? I have seen it several times in the book I am reading, usually before もの or こと, and I tried to ask someone but I had trouble understanding the answer (that it has something to do with uncertainty). What does it mean, and can it be used in front of any noun or just those two?

 

[undrentide]

What does らしき mean? I have seen it several times in the book I am reading, usually before もの or こと, and I tried to ask someone but I had trouble understanding the answer (that it has something to do with uncertainty). What does it mean, and can it be used in front of any noun or just those two?

らしき is similar to らしい, meaning "looks/sounds like" and always placed before noun.
～らしきもの／こと is perhaps the most common usage but the noun placed before らしい is not limited to もの and こと.
e.g.
昨日駅で社長らしき人を見かけた。
I saw a person which might be the president.
(The speaker is not sure if the person he saw was really the president because he saw him from a distance/he does not know what the president looks like so it was only his assumption, etc.)

 

[ハダカ]

I'm exactly don't know exact words! I can upload a sound file if you wish.

 

[NattyBumppo]

I'm exactly don't know exact words! I can upload a sound file if you wish.

Please do. I'd be interested to know, too.

 

[Charles Barkley]

その後、折に触れて新聞や雑誌で先生のご高名を目にいたしますたびに、ご活躍ぶりに深く敬服し、当時の先生のお姿や、てきぱきとしたお話ぶりを思い出すことになります。

In this sentence, what does adding ぶり accomplish that leaving it out wouldn't already? What nuance does it add? Is buri only used in polite speech/writing, or is it also used in conversation?

 

[Elizabeth]

その後、折に触れて新聞や雑誌で先生のご高名を目にいたしますたびに、ご活躍ぶりに深く敬服し、当時の先生のお姿や、てきぱきとしたお話ぶりを思い出すことになります。
In this sentence, what does adding ぶり accomplish that leaving it out wouldn't already? What nuance does it add? Is buri only used in polite speech/writing, or is it also used in conversation?

I think it's basically very similar to having an active/participatory style, showing themselves to be active (an active figure) etc like 活躍する姿、活躍する様. And yes it is used in conversation, well obviously 久しぶり, in the sense of a period of time, but certainly not limited to that.

 

[Buntaro]

Hi everybody!

I think "buri" is very conversational.

"San nen buri, biiru nonde nai desu."

--> I haven't had a beer in three years.

(Did I get that right...?)

 

[Elizabeth]

Hi everybody!
I think "buri" is very conversational.
"San nen buri, biiru nonde nai desu."
--> I haven't had a beer in three years.
(Did I get that right...?)

It seems to be used across all contexts as a time period. I hear it on the news like that all the time.

 

[orochi]

>In this sentence, what does adding ぶり accomplish that leaving it out wouldn't already?

Not very much. About as different as:

"respect your performance"
"respect how you performed"

It's similar to ～風 or 様子

 

[Charles Barkley]

Hi everybody!
I think "buri" is very conversational.
"San nen buri, biiru nonde nai desu."
--> I haven't had a beer in three years.
(Did I get that right...?)

As far as I can tell, that use of buri is quite different from how buri is used twice in the sentence above. Perhaps there is some connection between the two etymologically, but usage wise, not that I've been able to identify.
The one you are talking about is definitely conversational, the other one does not really seem that way, as I have only come across it in news articles and the above posted, highly formal letter (a chapter in the book 海辺のカフカ）.

Thanks everyone for the help.

 

[Elizabeth]

As far as I can tell, that use of buri is quite different from how buri is used twice in the sentence above. Perhaps there is some connection between the two etymologically, but usage wise, not that I've been able to identify.
The one you are talking about is definitely conversational, the other one does not really seem that way, as I have only come across it in news articles and the above posted, highly formal letter (a chapter in the book 海辺のカフカ）.
Thanks everyone for the help.

Like I said, both are employable across contexts. To measure an interval or time period, "buri ni" is conversational but still used in the news constantly as well. This is the first time I've seen such an effort at dividing or categorizing their occurances.

「ぶり」は書き言葉話し言葉に限らず普通に使います。

I think "buri" is very conversational.

"San nen buri, biiru nonde nai desu."

--> I haven't had a beer in three years.

(Did I get that right...?)

Shouldn't it be "buri ni" ??

 

[Charles Barkley]

And the reverse is true as well, ie the one describing how one does things is also used in casual conversation? I will have to start listening for it.

 

[Elizabeth]

And the reverse is true as well, ie the one describing how one does things is also used in casual conversation? I will have to start listening for it.

Yes, in fact I don't think ぶり is ever used to strike a particularly formal tone.

The following are from a few conversations with friends I can recall that in which the term has been put out in a casual setting. Which means they may or may not be represenative, but the general usage pattern I think is clear enough.


For a worker that shows competence and determination in finishing off a job
- 働きぶりが良い or a good singer 彼女の歌いっぷりは良いね～

For an athlete that elicits admiration
何々選手の活躍ぶりはすごいね。

For anyone with a strong appetite
彼の食べっぷりはすごいね。 など などでしょうか。。

日本語って奥が深いですね。

 

[lilyofthevalley]

thanks everyone, especially Libre ^^

and now another question. orz probably embarrassing, but:

i wanted to write "please take me" つれて下さい but it seems like I always see つれてって下さい, why the って? D:

 

[undrentide]

thanks everyone, especially Libre ^^

and now another question. orz probably embarrassing, but:

i wanted to write "please take me" つれて下さい but it seems like I always see つれてって下さい, why the って? D:

to take someone to somewhere is 連れて行く.
連れる is not used on its own, at least in ordinary situation.

So it is 連れて行ってください but often pronounced/expressed 連れてってください.
って here is shortened form (contraction) of いって.