Ghost stories!

[Chi65]

Sorry, I prefer other ways than just and only scientific ones now, but follow the discussions for longer on scientist forums anyhow. Its not new to me so far, and I do not wish to search for the according links, that probably only few will read.
Maybe this forum is not just a scientist one. . .and we should allow all points of view, in my opinion, however interesting the scientific posts are. They are not ignored, only I do not wish to repeat myself on a scientific level endlessly.
There is more than this, and I tried to show this.
Off to bed. . .
be well everybody!

 

[Goldiegirl]

Hmmm.....I guess to each his own really. Please then tell me what I saw in my bedroom and what did the little girl see? I will say "ghost" because I have no other word for it. You could call it a paranormal experience too. But that doesn't change the fact, that no one can prove or disprove what I saw. Science can hold us back as well, you can't see the forest through the trees. Not everything acts in a predictable manner. Not everything is science. It seems sad to put everything to a number, a theory, a calculation. I would hope that we humans are more than just a chemical battery powering a brain, that I am nothing more than a process would truly be sad. What would be even more sad is to think that is how we see each other. If that's the case then why should we care about anything, we are just organic matter waiting to die and be recycled. My hope is that we are more. Ghosts, give me that hope.

 

[Mars Man]

Thanks for the replies and for following along. It is a good think to express, to point out, to test, disect, and carefully reason and feel out all propositions, proposals, and thesis. This is not only what we are doing here, though, more than anything else we are strengthening the overall knowledge that is the educational process. It is, in one way more than just a scientific inquiry, (and is in no means to support 'Scientism' per se...a segment of scientific thought that I personally think little of) and yet, it is, in other ways, an actual exercise in knowing...which is what science means and is !

we should allow all points of view, in my opinion,

Yes, that is true as I had mentioned in the post just prior...given just below:

and I fully grant that each is fully entitled to an opinion, be it accurate or not

Hmmm.....I guess to each his own really.

Yes, that is true...(see above)

Please then tell me what I saw in my bedroom and what did the little girl see? I will say "ghost" because I have no other word for it.

Why would you refuse to use the word 'phantasma? You see, Goldiegirl, the matter is much deeper than just this surface that we are touching on here in this thread, but this subject of this thread can well be seen as the key which can undo the lock on the door of further knowledge. There is so much I'd like to say, but such embedding would not be practical here. (I will PM you about that)

Ghosts, give me that hope.

In what state would you like that? In the mental state that you now are? Would you wish the same for the severe pedophile, who, as you had correctly pointed out is the way he is because of his brain state...which, as you also had correctly pointed out, will not and cannot be changed?

Would you guess that there is any reason to think there is a part of the living being which has no control over that living being whatsoever yet IS that very living being, and is only 'normal' (whatever that may be) after that being dies?

I mean, otherwise the mentally challenged being is perpetually mentally challenged for all eternity? The homosexual being is homosexual for all eternity? And not a single person has offered any attempt to explain why it would be necessary, much less possible that clothing items...a perfectly human-designed/created thing...be ghosts too? Would we eventually have to be led, in order to maintain a whole, rather a hole, in our argument, that trees and rocks and yes, even the entire solar system has or is both physical and at the same time essentially a ghost?

Science--again, not Scientism--is a branch of knowledge gathering. There are some in the field, such as there will be in any field, fielded by human beings, who prove to be negative, bias, and greedy for fame and power to the extent that they can give 'pure science' a bad name in the public's eye from time to time. (and of course those who more so oppose science--say fundamentalistic religionists in America, for one example--use that to flame the fires of distrust for those who are less in the know)

I would suggest moving on then. I have presented my case in hard terms, and well enough to be understood, at least, by those who study and carefully think it through. As it stands, I can see that no one has answered to the challenge to show that what is known about the brain, what it is, how it works, and what that all means, is wrong or inaccurate. With that, therefore, I rest my case on that matter.

The spiritual realm--I'd like to look into this more deeply now. I would tend to think that the 'spiritual realm' may be something, as others have shown agreement with, that is to whatever degree (or even totally, maybe) physical, but is unknown.

One of the areas to look at might be parapsychology. I'll get to that a bit later.

 

[MadamePapillon]

@ Mars Man

You have made a good case and you've laid out evidence and fact and any number of things to prove your case but the thing about disscusing matters like this is it doesn't lend itself well to cold, hard scientific logic.

How can you truly prove or disprove a phantom? You can't.

I think this is one of the few issues in which science fails miserably and those of a more scientific mind can go blue in the face trying to disprove the existance of ghosts or phantasms or whatever. It's that never-ending battle between science and faith (or belief if you will), and in the end it all boils down to one thing: it just can't be scientifically proven one way or the other. This is where faith and belief step in.

Say what you want about my logic being flawed but when you have thousands, millions of people over vast generations and cultures all coming up with the same story...science or no science there has to be something to it.

And who's to say it's not a whole slew of different things.
Echos of the past, the dead lingering, an energy imprint, things I can't even think of, but most people seem to agree that these 'ghosts' or whatever you want to call them are a form of life after death...but these are just the few, tiny glimpses we actually manage see and as we all know, often what we can see is just the tip of the iceberg.
For every ghost that's seen who's to say there isn't 1000 more in that very area we can't see. Belief, Mars Man, I saw something and thousands/millions of other people around the world have seen it to, that's enough to make anyone believe.

 

[Chi65]

Nothing against your points of view, Mars Man, only, we are not scientists, thus the challenge goes to the wrong adress. But I already mentioned some new paths over there in the scientist's fraction, with growing interest into what "our kind" says. So, one has to look up, what some of them (not us) say, find, and wait.
The points of artists and synaesthetes is on the table, and many don't even know yet, that they also belong to this in the way their brains works.
Belief or not, to me its not the point here, by the way. Just some parts of "belief via experience" are under observation, because they fit into recent researches and no more under malfunctions of the brain, in contrary, they become "advanced" and refined functions. I once more mention Ramchandran here, not to forget Cytovic.
Our kind does perceive former "ghosts/spirits" on another level, and its not paranormal any more, and definitely a good starting point for other views upon it to be established.
And its time now to do so.
Particularly in the process(!) of changes from material to immaterial and back, as I tried to explain via the development of a piece of art.
Amongst many of us this is for long common knowledge, and it is nice, that some scientists pick up on this finally, best way they can, but not dissappointed at all, in contrary. So, the change of view is definitely not on our side these days.

 

[Sarapva]

I mean, otherwise the mentally challenged being is perpetually mentally challenged for all eternity? The homosexual being is homosexual for all eternity? And not a single person has offered any attempt to explain why it would be necessary, much less possible that clothing items...a perfectly human-designed/created thing...be ghosts too?.... As it stands, I can see that no one has answered to the challenge to show that what is known about the brain, what it is, how it works, and what that all means, is wrong or inaccurate.

I don't think anyone is arguing that what is known about the brain or any other scientific knowledge is inaccurate - the argument is that science seems to barely be beginning to acknowledge any other life besides the physical. Therefore there is hardly any scientific evidence of the "soul" or "spirit". I think we may be having some misunderstanding about the definitions, Mars Man - you seem to have these terms divided into different meanings, but most of us I think are using the terms broadly to mean basically the same thing (a non-physical life). What is your definition of the "spiritual realm"?

The way I understand it, our tendencies in our physical lives don't necessarily go with us after death. Being male or female, whatever race, homosexual, heterosexual, mentally challenged, etc. is part of our physical lives, but not necessarily our spiritual ones.

Here are some excerpts from the book "Out on a Limb" by Shirley MacLaine, which I read a long time ago and has helped shape my beliefs now (Shirley MacLaine is talking to an incarnate "entity" through a channeler):

"Have we all experienced living as different sexes in order to be able to empathize with the opposite sex? .... Could that be a metaphysical explanation for homosexuality?"

"That is correct ... The sexual preference of such individuals plays an important part in the requirement for understanding that we are all basically the same .... our souls, if you will, are basically androgenous ... high spiritual understanding knows no sexuality differences because the elements of both sexes are simultaneously present. The polarities are evenly opposed. Your ancient prophets and Christ figures such as Jesus and Buddha, et cetera, were not so much celibate as they were vibrating at an even and perfectly balanced frequency."

.......
"Why is there such resistance to the study of the soul as a realistic fact? Why isn't as much time and money spent on researching the existence of the soul as there is on splitting the atom or nuclear energy?"

"Well, for one thing," he answered, "the material isn't available. The soul is not a material thing. Also the field of soul study has a tendency to have scorn and ridicule heaped upon it and professional reputations go down the tubes, so to speak, very easily." .......

"But would proof of the soul's existence radically alter the attitude of science?"

"Yes, of course.... But ... there isn't much money in that kind of research."

"You mean .... if you research the soul there is no material profit in it?"

"Quite right."

 

[Skullcrushergurl]

My step-grandfather just died and naturally, my grandma wanted my mother and I to spend the night.
Why did she close the door? I was in the dark. Not just any bedroom but the bedroom that my grandfather used to sleep in with my grandma! I was afraid and I could feel a presence so I tossed and turned.....when...I FELT SOMETHING TOUCH MY LEG!!!!!
Let's just say, I made a new door in that room.

 

[Mars Man]

Thanks, Sarapva, at your input and effort to try to reconcile a seeming gap in understanding here. Your first sentence about 'no one arguing that what is known about the brain ....is inaccurate' is, if you were to look at it very carefully, and think about it very deeply, is not quite as on the mark as it may seem at first--note...that is not to say that it is totally off.

Since I have rested my case, I will not go into that too much here, other than to explain:

What is known about the brain, and all the evidence that supports that tells us that if the brain is physically destroyed, the conscious, thought patterns, and memory contained in the particles, fatty acids, enzymes, and firing systems, will be destroyed.

By arguing that that is not the case, a person is arguing that what is known and evidences that support that, are incorrect and invalid. To argue that there is something all along which is a non-physical 'copy' of that and which all along has full operation along with that (brain function and content) and which lasts forever has absolutely no evidence for it, while what we know about the brain and the evidence for that has a very large degree of validity.​

All along I have put forth my opinion (and it is very much only an opinion....however not totally without any evidence whatsoever) that there is likely a spiritual realm...only that the physical and spiritual are two different realms and at the most, only may intersect at times and points. The physical is purely and only physical, and the spiritual is purely and only spiritual.

For that reason, taking that there may be spiritual life form, it is not physical. The evidence for that other form or existence needs to be looked into more.

As for definitions, my effort is to educate away from usage of the English word 'ghost' due to a misconception that has become attached to it in the form of presupposed mental baggage. The word phantasma should take its place.

At the moment I do not know that much about all that Shirley MacLaine is arguing for or trying to teach, but from what I do know of the content, it is very much in wanting for hard evidence and explanation of the real world.

Again...presuppositions from ancient and ignorant religious belief-systems should all be discarded...regarding this subject matter.

 

[Chi65]

Here is something to illustrate, what artists think about it all:

http://www.4dart.com/4Dart.html/en/norman/norman_en.html

go to the trailer or fotos or youtube. . .

Its as much syn all along. I need not to know, how their brain functions, it simply does and perfectly in time ;-)

 

[Sarapva]

I don't have any evidence to prove that the soul exists, and I know that Shirley MacLaine's book was ridiculed. But I admire her courage in writing it anyway as a public figure, and it does provide "food for thought". Here's another example from the book, discussing reincarnation:

"The real truth being the process of each soul's progression through the ages..."

"You mean reincarnation?"

"That is correct.... That is the carrying out of Cosmic Justice toward an ultimate harmony."

"Well, would the Church deny us that truth?"

"Yes, because such a truth would make the power and the authority of the Church unnecessary. Each person, that is, each entity, becomes responsible to itself for its conduct. It does not need a church..."

And now to balance this out, an exerpt from Plato's "Phaedo":

And what is purification but the separation of the soul from the body .... the release of the soul from the chains of the body ......... And this separation and release of the soul from the body is termed death ...

 

[Mars Man]

Thanks for that nice link with the great art there, Chi65 san. I love that choreography there !!

Thanks Sarapva san. I would pin Shirley's fault on her Christian belief-system's base. If one were to check out her history, I'd bet we'd find a very 'Christian belief-system acceptance' being at the core. For such reasons, she may occasionally refer to the 'Church' or things related to the Christian ideology.

Of course the Greek philosophers of old had absolutely no idea at all about the true make-up of life forms. If one go over their works, that would become easy to see...

Yes, I do agree in part, on the admiration for her doing that work, yet at the same time, suspect that such works sell well...better than they should, I'd tend to suspect. The prime suspect is the tendency in such a work to disallow room for testing and multiple observation. That is the deathtoll for such genre. Thanks for sharing that.

Again. . . presuppositions from ancient and ignorant religious belief-systems should all be discarded...regarding this subject matter.

 

[Kinsao]

... there is likely a spiritual realm...only that the physical and spiritual are two different realms and at the most, only may intersect at times and points. The physical is purely and only physical, and the spiritual is purely and only spiritual.
For that reason, taking that there may be spiritual life form, it is not physical. The evidence for that other form or existence needs to be looked into more.

I agree with the above. I also think that there are some things which we now think of as 'spiritual' which may in the future be able to be explained physically by science, but science does not know everything yet, we are constantly learning more.

There is nothing wrong with trying to 'prove' phenomena like ghosts/phantasma by scientific methods, it is by doing such things that science/knowledge advances. That is not to say that the 'spiritual world' (or what we think of as such, regardless of what it is 'really') does not exist.

As an aside, I personally don't find the thought of 'life after death' very comforting at all; rather, it entails a big responsibility (if our lives continue, in whatever form, forever) and I would far rather think that it all finishes when we die. But somehow I just can't believe that.

 

[ArmandV]

As an aside, I personally don't find the thought of 'life after death' very comforting at all; rather, it entails a big responsibility (if our lives continue, in whatever form, forever) and I would far rather think that it all finishes when we die. But somehow I just can't believe that.

Only so long that a person doesn't return as a snail.

Isn't this thread gotten off-track? I was looking to hear some "true" ghost stories and all I mainly see are arguments/discussions on whether ghosts are real or not.

 

[Nuala]

I believe there is some sort of weak affinity to the supernatural and my family. Not to sound arrogant, weird, or delusional, but ever have the gates of a cemetery close on their own moments after you drive through and park your car? Some gates close automatically at dusk, but the ones at the cemetery I was at didn't. And even though the Chicago-land area is notorious for it's winds, there is no way they could have been moved by the wind due to how heavy they are.

There are a few great cemeteries in my area too, such as Resurrection Cemetery(Home to Resurrection Mary), Bachelors Grove(Chicago's mobs allegedly dumped bodies all over the cemetery), and Cal Sag Cemetery(Where the Earth has been described as "breathing", and the ghosts of Catholic monks have appeared).

While at Bachelors Grove, I've felt as though I stepped through cob webs, felt fatigued at certain spots in the cemetery, and I saw a gigantic black dog glaring at other people in the cemetery, fewer times at me than others.

 

[Mars Man]

Isn't this thread gotten off-track?

What are ghosts or spirits and do you believe in them?

Yes, Kinsao, I forgot to mention that. There may be a fair amount that proves to be as physical as atomic matter among other small particles.

 

[Sarapva]

As an aside, I personally don't find the thought of 'life after death' very comforting at all; rather, it entails a big responsibility (if our lives continue, in whatever form, forever) and I would far rather think that it all finishes when we die. But somehow I just can't believe that.

Yes, this is the whole theory of reincarnation - it does entail a lot of individual responsibility. I also don't find it comforting sometimes to think it could all go on after death. It's somehow more comforting to think it ends at our physical death. But I also don't believe it ends there, or that we "get away with" not having to face the consequences of our lives.

That's a good point by ArmandV - the topic of this thread is "Ghost Stories" after all.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Although i haven't read all of this thread yet, i want to share some of the many paranormal experiences i have had.


Living at my mums house;

My mum lives in an old manor house on the farm where i was brought up in, the house is seriously ancient, we know its at least 600years old, however there is a massive amount of archeology on the farm and in the area surrounding the house, people have been living almost continuously on the site since prehistoric/pre-neolithic times.

The house is definitely haunted in my opinion, and i also believe that there are many ghosts there based on the variety of paranormal experiences i have had there.

Anyhoo, onto the ghost stories!


The first one that springs to mind is an incident that happened in the cellar in the house- when me and my bro were kids, we had a large set of mecharno(sp?) that we often used to play with. One day i decided to go down on my own into the cellar to play with the mecharno, but as i stood at the top of the steps, instead of turning on the light as i always did, instead i walked down the first few steps of the stairs and peered into the dark cellar below.
What i saw i cannot explain- i saw this bright lights, like sparklers, whizzing around the floor of the room, chasing each other at great speed in circles. For a few moments i just stood there staring dumbfounded at these things, but then my senses and i turned around quickly and without thinking i turned on the light. But when i looked back down at the cellar the light things were gone.

... ... ...

The second incident with the cellar happened some years later. I often did many chores for my mother, mostly helping her clean the house, and one day i was asked to vacuum hoover the cellar. But when i opened the cellar door, instead of turning on the light and going down into the cellar as i normally did, i stood there in the doorway for a few moments just standing there (i don't know why).
All of a sudden someone suddenly pushed me from behind- i felt two hands firmly shove my back! I almost fell down the steps but i regained my balance in the nick of time. But the scary thing was that no-one was there, the house was empty at the time...

... ... ...

A few years after that incident, again one day i was asked to do some vacuum hoovering, however this time in the attic. I have never ever liked the attic in the house, it has always freaked me out. I was quite reluctant to go up into the attic to hoover it at first, but it was a beautiful hot sunny summer day and i decided that it would be safe to go up into the attic so i went.
After vacuum hoovering the attic, i decided to check out the view of the garden from one of the windows and i stood there for a little while just standing there looking out of the window at the view. All of a sudden i felt a presence come up from me behind, this "presence" put its "arms" around my neck/shoulders from behind, almost like it was leaning on me- at first i could do nothing, but my senses soon came to me and i freaked out and ran downstairs out of the attic, leaving the vacuum hoover behind.


There have also just been a lot of other general paranormal things that have happened in the house- unexplained footsteps, smells, sounds/noises etc
I never actually saw a ghost so to speak in the house, but my brother said he did- he said when he was little he used to talk to ghosts that came into his room at night as a child (which is really freaky because i remember when i was a kid sometimes i would just hear him talking in his room, apparently to no-one), apparently they tried to control him though after a while and he didn't like it so he tried to ignore them, but apparently it took a long time for them to stop bothering him and to just leave him alone.


(continued in a mo)

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Living at The Flat;


The second place me and my fiance rented was a flat that resided on the outskirts of the town i currently live in. The flat was actually a crude small barn conversion, it was not a very large building and was a building that constantly suffered from mold and humidity problems and was very cold during the winter and boiling hot during the summer. My landlord was an antiques dealer and the bottom part of the flat were used as his store rooms for storing his antiques in.
Anyhoo, i had some terribly scary experiences in that place that freaked me out no end, that flat end up terrifying me. We i first moved in there, the place didn't feel haunted at all, but as the months and years went by, the paranormal activity and bad vibes about the place went through the roof.
At first things weren't too bad, and i have to admit i sorta brushed off the early experiences.


My brother sometimes came around to visit me at the flat, often he would spend a day or two at the flat with me since we hardly got to see each other, we took advantage of any opportunities we could spend time together as much as we could.
One day he came around to the flat and we stayed up talking to each other way into the early hours of the morning sitting on the floor smoking and drinking tea. All of a sudden while we were talking my brother suddenly stopped talking and said "did you hear that?!"- as we sat there silently for a few moments, we could hear noises like footsteps and things being dragged across the floor in my landlords antique rooms below. My brother was really concerned about the strange noises, but at the time i thought it was my landlord, as he often worked in his storerooms into the early hours of the morning, so i told my brother this.
But the next day after my brother had left, i caught up with my landlord in his storeroom and asked out of curiosity if he had been working late- as which he replied to as "no".

Now some people could say the noises were bats or some other animal, but these noises were clearly footsteps and dragging noises- not just that, but my old landlords storerooms were a very high security place, with all sorts of burglar alarms and movement sensor systems in place and huge metal sealed garage doors and huge padlocks etc; there was basically no way anything could get into those rooms when they were locked.


But things got much, much weirder.


I started having very bad nightmares and while alone in the flat, i would often get terrifying feelings of unexplainable fear that would just overtake me before slowly leaving me. This started to give me really bad insomnia.
One night while i was lying in bed, it was another sleepless night. As i lay there i heard objects been dragged and moved around in the storeroom below- all of a sudden i heard a huge smash, like a huge vase falling on the floor and smashing! I remember thinking to myself "oh...the landlord is not going to be too happy about that in the morning", and i didn't think too much about it after that as i tried to concentrate on reading a book.
But the next day, i asked my landlord if he had broken anything in his storeroom, and he replied "no". I said "are you sure nothings broken, like maybe a big vase?" and he answered "no" again- i asked him if he had even been in the storeroom that night, and while he had, he hadn't been in there in the early hours of the morning i heard the noises and crashes.


That incident in particular really started to freak me out, as such incidences started to become more common.

One night i had a terrifying dream (it may not sound scary to you, but i was gripped with fear in the dream)- in the dream i saw a huge giant hulk of a demon, who looked very similar to the Incredible Hulk, came stomping up the driveway to the flat, and in the dream i prayed for it to go away and not come any nearer, i was gripped with fear. Then the dream ended and i don't know what happened after that.

Some nights while i was lying in bed, i would see the duvet covers being pulled and/or stroked by an invisible presence at the bottom of the bed.


A few days later, i was lying in bed. I felt an over-whelming sense of fear, it is difficult to explain what it was like, but i was absolutely petrified. The bed covers were being pulled again. I knew a presence was in the room, whether it be ghost or demon or something else completely, i knew i was not alone in the room.
I hid myself under my duvet covers, absolutely petrified frozen, beads of sweat streaming off my body, this fear was beyond my control.

But i had experienced so much fear my mind all of a sudden rebelled- i said to the presence, "I know you are there, but stop toying with me, if you really are here, give me a sign"- i guess i said this because i felt like i was going mad. At this very moment something firmly pushed the bed covers above my head, like a clenched fist pushing the covers down!

This freaked me out beyond all belief. But i knew i needed courage; i did something that often calmed the ghosts down at my mums place- i prayed to the presence/demon/ghost, telling him/her/it to leave me alone and to rest in peace.
Gradually, the presence eased off, and my exhaustion overcame me and i fell asleep. That night, the discontinued hulk demon dream continued, but this time i saw the monster turn away from the flat and walk away, it was still a nerve racking dream, but it felt more peaceful.

Certainly things got a bit better after that incident, but never completely normal.

I remember one day i was checking out my landlords antiques and i noticed that he actually had a lot of random non-antique stuff like cheap used forks and knives and plates and general other household stuff. When i asked him why he had this stuff, he said he bought it at auctions that deal in selling off the possessions of people who have recently died and left no will.
I don't know if you can get haunted objects, but i believe that he did pick up some numerous haunted objects and that these were possibly responsible for the moving objects and noises in his storeroom at night and stuff.

 

[Half-n-Half]

Sounds creepy indeed! About you being gripped with fear in bed, I think you might have been suffering from sleep paralysis, or Hypnagogia. Most people experience one of the two at least once in their life time. I myself have had a case of sleep paralysis. I was taking a nap in a condominium while we were vacationing at Gulf Shores. My brother was messing around on his laptop and I was half asleep. My arm was crossed over my head, and I could "feel" it moving in front of me, but I did not see it moving. I had the sensation I was moving my arm but clearly it wasn't. It was definitely a strange sensation.

Hypnagogia - Wikipedia

Sleep paralysis - Wikipedia

As for me, I haven't really had any strange "ghost stories." However, I did have one little incident. I was lying in bed, face down with my head towards the wall. Then, I heard a little girl whisper into my ear, "Michael." This greatly disturbed me because in my family of four, my mother is the only female. I looked around and no one was there. I fell asleep soon afterwards.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Sounds creepy indeed! About you being gripped with fear in bed, I think you might have been suffering from sleep paralysis, or Hypnagogia. Most people experience one of the two at least once in their life time. I myself have had a case of sleep paralysis. I was taking a nap in a condominium while we were vacationing at Gulf Shores. My brother was messing around on his laptop and I was half asleep. My arm was crossed over my head, and I could "feel" it moving in front of me, but I did not see it moving. I had the sensation I was moving my arm but clearly it wasn't. It was definitely a strange sensation.

Hypnagogia - Wikipedia

Sleep paralysis - Wikipedia

As for me, I haven't really had any strange "ghost stories." However, I did have one little incident. I was lying in bed, face down with my head towards the wall. Then, I heard a little girl whisper into my ear, "Michael." This greatly disturbed me because in my family of four, my mother is the only female. I looked around and no one was there. I fell asleep soon afterwards.

Hmm i wasn't actually physically paralyzed, i was just so scared that i did not want to move, the Hypnagogia sounds quite similar to what i had though with that demon thing.

I dunno if there's a possible rational explanation for the other experiences i experienced though...

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Just thought you guys might be interested in these two recent ghostly news articles;

Council pays psychic for exorcism

"the family had been left "traumatised" by the strange goings on and wanted to leave the house";

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Council pays psychic for exorcism

'Soldier ghost' caught on camera

"A group of amateur film-makers believe they may have proof that ghosts really do exist after one of them caught something strange on camera.";

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Bradford | 'Soldier ghost' caught on camera


Spooky...

I really sympathize for that family though, i do believe their story.

 

[Mars Man]

It's these kind of stories that make for interesting conversation...who knows what may have happened. The likelihood of ghosts, of course, is extremely low...if there is any at all, so we have no real way of getting into the know on these things.

The second link is most likely a prank...there have been some good ones, you know...but still makes for good conversation. Thanks for sharing them with us !

 

[Mavrek]

It is possible that the ghost may exist but I don't believe in them . I never ever have experienced or seen a ghost .