U.S. troops used 'comfort women' after WWII

[diceke]

Ok What do YOU think should be done?


Hopefully the person in question that this is directed towards will "understand" what you are saying here.

Go back to "the other" comfort women thread. I hope you bring up the same discussion here.

Oh, you don't want it? Fine.

 

[KirinMan]

Go back to "the other" comfort women thread. I hope you bring up the same discussion here.

The question was directed towards you and in response to your reply on THIS topic, nothing more, nothing less. If you have something constructive to add please do so.

I for one am waiting to hear something positive from you on this topic.

 

[diceke]

Personally, I'm not concerned with this issue.

But Obeika, you can't possibly overlook the violation of human rights committed by the US, right? You want to pass down the knowledge of past crimes to the future generations of the US, right? You want the US to officially acknowledge the crime and apologize, right?

 

[KirinMan]

Personally, I'm not concerned with this issue.
But Obeika, you can't possibly overlook the violation of human rights committed by the US, right? You want to pass down the knowledge of past crimes to the future generations of the US, right? You want the US to officially acknowledge the crime and apologize, right?

If you are not concerned with this issue as you have written here then why do you continue to post on this thread?

What is your point, if nothing else to attempt to flame the fires of discontent?
I've pretty much stated my opinions regarding this topic, as I am the one who started it in the first place, and I should also add that I have yet to see you put any information here for or against that would add anything to the conversation at hand.

The bigger crime committed in my opinion, is the refusal of ALL parties concerned to acknowledge their part in what had happened, that not only goes for the American side on this subject, but also the Japanese as well. Which in a way is more of a problem than in comparison to the other "Comfort Women" thread as it deals directly with Japanese women and what a country is willing to go to, to supposedly "protect" it's native population. That is also a "crime" in and of itself.

And do not attempt to assume or presume that I am pointing fingers at any one country in general, both are guilty and both have a responsiblity to accept what occured.

I will not accept your saying that I am defending the position of the US either, in this case the US military was guilty in its complicity. However Japan was also guilty of supplying the women and "facilities" per say.
There is plenty of guilt and blame to pass around and it is not restricted to one country or the other.

Once again if you are not "concerned" about this issue, your words not mine btw, then why not refrain from posting here on this topic, otherwise it is possible that you could be seen as nothing other than a nuisance with nothing positive to add to the discussion.

 

[diceke]

Hopefully the person in question that this is directed towards will "understand" what you are saying here.

Sorry, what does he say?

Once again if you are not "concerned" about this issue, your words not mine btw, then please refrain from posting here on this topic, otherwise you will be seen as nothing other than a nuisance with nothing positive to add to the discussion.

Are you the moderator here? Do not tell me what to do. You are the nuisance and the troublemaker, making conflicting statements here and there.

 

[pipokun]

The bigger crime committed in my opinion, is the refusal of ALL parties concerned to acknowledge their part in what had happened, that not only goes for the American side on this subject, but also the Japanese as well.

No matter how much you want to demonize Japan, Japan has already compensated the victims.

American and Korean soldiers got the out-of-court settlement on the Agent Orange, but not Vietnamese Americans.
What Honda wanted to do was something like... Japanese lawmakers would ask the US to compensate the Vietnamese people in Japan.

We all know it was sad for everybody then. But I find it is ridiculous to be an anti-US activist.

Elizabeth van Kampen, what about the former East Germany? Did they compensate French or Dutch people? I know the Korean feeling upon what Japan did to their country in the past, but they should see what Austrian people did. I'm a bit surprised to hear some Korean nationalists loudly demand rehabilitation of honor of Korean war criminals.
Or what your government did to Indonesia?
Stop playing "we did good thing" games, please. And something like Neo-Nazism is what we should tackle now.
Just look at Japan now. Nothing happened here in Japan, hate crime against Japan-bashing such as burning our flag or stone-throwing in certain Asian countries.

 

[GodEmperorLeto]

I believe Germany did they reparations to the Jews. I am not sure, but I know that Holland did; the state gave the victims' families an amount of money representing the worth of what the victims owned at the time of deportation.

Okay, I stand corrected on this particular point.

But I find it is ridiculous to be an anti-US activist.

Yeah, we already have plenty of those here as it is.

Elizabeth van Kampen, what about the former East Germany? Did they compensate French or Dutch people?

How did this turn into a thread on compensation? My whole point was that it is impossible to compensate everybody because everybody's been victimized in some way, so get over it and try to learn from the past. Jeez.

 

[hanachan]

My whole point was that it is impossible to compensate everybody because everybody's been victimized in some way, so get over it and try to learn from the past. Jeez.

Your logic seems not to be applied to Japan here.
If one of Japanese said like that, someone of you would post against it soon.

 

[Goldiegirl]

The problem isn't all of Japan, just a few who don't believe it ever happened.

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

Pipokun wrote:
Elizabeth van Kampen, what about the former East Germany? Did they compensate French or Dutch people? I know the Korean feeling upon what Japan did to their country in the past, but they should see what Austrian people did. I'm a bit surprised to hear some Korean nationalists loudly demand rehabilitation of honor of Korean war criminals.
Or what your government did to Indonesia?

Pipokun: I know that this is besides the thread, but I will try to give you a quick answer. Germany occupied Holland but the Dutch were not all put into prison camps. The Dutch Jews and the gypsies were brought to concentration camps. That also happened to the French Jews and all the other countries occupied by Germany. Germany paid a part of the Dutch men who were forced to work in the German factories during the occupation.
East Germany was occupied by Russia after WWII.

I am sorry pipokun, I know very little about the Korean troubles I guess that it is rather complicated, because there are two Korea countries.
Indonesia: Japan paid the Heiho's but didn't pay the Romusha's who worked at the Birma Railway and were sent there by Sukarno to help Japan. So many of them died far away from their home country.

You know, politics are so dirty when you look in all the history books.
That is why I insist that we can all be friends if there were no politics.
I know that you are still very young and young people are usually idealistic.
But I have reached the age where you can look back at a sort of a satirical film where everybody blames the other. "Nicht schuldig" and "Not guilty".
And Life goes on.

 

[KirinMan]

No matter how much you want to demonize Japan, Japan has already compensated the victims.

When did Japan compensate the Japanese Comfort Women?

That's news to me, please share any information you have about that one. It should be interesting to read.

Plus you know that the Japanese women that were "Comfort Women" never applied for compensation from the Asian Women's Fund, not one even applied even though they were entitled to, plus the government has not paid one yen to any of the women either.

You think I am demonizing Japan by being critical of it's policies in this case? Do you follow along blindly with what your government tells you is a fact? I dont think or at least hope you dont. I take issue with many things about my country and it's policies but that doesnt mean I am demonizing it, that goes for here as well.

 

[KirinMan]

Your logic seems not to be applied to Japan here.
If one of Japanese said like that, someone of you would post against it soon.

How can you read so much into that statement? Following along with what he has written here so far it appears to me at least that he is against compensation for any "Comfort Women", which includes the Japanese ones as well. No discrimination whatsoever.

Please. This "reparations" bandwagon is pathetic and is just an excuse for people to play the victim card.

GEL wrote that on this thread, and to anyone reading it his opinions about compensation issues should be very clear.

 

[GodEmperorLeto]

If one of Japanese said like that, someone of you would post against it soon.

The problem isn't all of Japan, just a few who don't believe it ever happened.

I've never posted a thread about Japan's supposed "evils". I just don't like it when people twist and cover up history. It insults me as an historian.

And I'm not trying to nail Japan to the wall. I'm trying to give this whole thing a little bit of perspective. Honestly, I'll freely report on all the North American native nations that were raped and pillaged by the United States, and consider it a horrific crime. It's the Japanese that keep distorting the truth, and that doesn't sit right with me, nor many people here on the forum, and so that's why some of us get angry and annoyed when people try to cover it up. I don't think Japan owes Korea or China anything more than to make sure those things never happen again, despite whatever the uyoku say. Goldiegirl is perfectly right here.

By the way, please, guys, stop baiting me.

GEL wrote that on this thread, and to anyone reading it his opinions about compensation issues should be very clear.

Thanks. It's like what Elizabeth van Kampen said about the movie where everyone blames each other. Everyone ends up owing everyone else. It's pointless. Like I keep saying, best to accept what happened, learn from it, and move on.

 

[pipokun]

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I am sorry pipokun, I know very little about the Korean troubles I guess that it is rather complicated, because there are two Korea countries.
Indonesia: Japan paid the Heiho's but didn't pay the Romusha's who worked at the Birma Railway and were sent there by Sukarno to help Japan. So many of them died far away from their home country.
You know, politics are so dirty when you look in all the history books.
That is why I insist that we can all be friends if there were no politics.
I know that you are still very young and young people are usually idealistic.
But I have reached the age where you can look back at a sort of a satirical film where everybody blames the other. "Nicht schuldig" and "Not guilty".
And Life goes on.

Maybe you get me wrong.
Don't worry, I am not idealistic at all. All I want to say is that Korean people should take the British or French role now, or to stop saying something idealistic, "we forgive, but will never forget". I want them to say "we never forgive, nor forget what Japan did to the countries", but I want them just to see Japan now".

I don't care that South Korea claimed she was the only Korean country about 50 years ago and she took the compensation even in the North part. But I think it is totally unfair for the South Korean government, not Korean people, to claim "Japan did nothing".

 

[KirinMan]

Maybe you get me wrong.
Don't worry, I am not idealistic at all. All I want to say is that Korean people should take the British or French role now, or to stop saying something idealistic, "we forgive, but will never forget". I want them to say "we never forgive, nor forget what Japan did to the countries", but I want them just to see Japan now".
I don't care that South Korea claimed she was the only Korean country about 50 years ago and she took the compensation even in the North part. But I think it is totally unfair for the South Korean government, not Korean people, to claim "Japan did nothing".

I am sorry to say this to both of you however you should know that neither one of your posts is related to the topic at hand......the topic if anyone has forgotten here is U.S. troops used 'comfort women' after WWII, I for one started this thread purely because people were pulling the "other" Comfort Women thread off topic with comments about the US Military and what they were accomplices to right after WWII.

These posts are directly related to the "Other" thread and have nothing to do with this one.

Without a doubt it is a heated issue, but let's please try to stay on the topic at hand and NOT take it somewhere else.

I had hoped that someone from the moderating staff here would have said this earlier but since they are busy and have not had the time to follow along on this thread I would like to ask that we police ourselves without their assistance and work together to keep this thread on topic and not hijack it or inflame others to responses that are not related to the topic.

I would hope that we all could cooperate and work together to keep this thread from becoming flamebait or something worse.

Thank you from one member to another.

 

[pipokun]

When did Japan compensate the Japanese Comfort Women?
...

Only the activist would be glad to hear the US would compensate the Japanese victims.

 

[KirinMan]

Only the activist would be glad to hear the US would compensate the Japanese victims.

So what's the point?

I asked you

When did Japan compensate the Japanese Comfort Women?

in response to your

Japan has already compensated the victims.

So....when did Japan compensate the victims?

It's got nothing to do with whether someone is "glad" or not.

 

[KirinMan]

I think The problem is not to believe or to believe.
we must investigate the testimony of comfort women.
I think they bring thier testimony again
I thnk that is the modern methods.
they forgeted about witch hunt?

So the Japanese held a witch hunt on thier own people here? That is an interesting revaltion here Caster, can you tell us more?

How many Japanese women have come forward and told thier stories of being Comfort Women during the period in question?

 

[diceke]

So the Japanese held a witch hunt on thier own people here? That is an interesting revaltion here Caster, can you tell us more?

Who said that? Obviously, it's not what he meant.
(Is your question another tacit attempt to play up the "supposed" evil of the Japanese? Obeika)

I suppose he posted in the wrong thread.

 

[KirinMan]

Off topic reply......

Who said that? Obviously, it's not what he meant.

Are you a mind reader as well? Interesting line of work, however I personally dont put too much stock in them myself.

Back on topic........

I doubt very much that the Japanese Government is willing to open the issue of compensation for the women that were obviously forced into brothel's following WWII.

That would be the same as opening the perverbial Pandora's Box.

I also feel that the Japanese Government is stuck between a rock and a hard place on this particular topic as well. If it officially acknowledges their own citizens as Comfort Women then they will be forced to officially acknowledge the rest of the women disccused on the "other" thread.

 

[diceke]

Off topic reply......
Are you a mind reader as well? Interesting line of work, however I personally dont put too much stock in them myself.

I have reported your attempt to troll.

Back on topic........
I doubt very much that the Japanese Government is willing to open the issue of compensation for the women that were obviously forced into brothel's following WWII.
That would be the same as opening the perverbial Pandora's Box.
I also feel that the Japanese Government is stuck between a rock and a hard place on this particular topic as well. If it officially acknowledges their own citizens as Comfort Women then they will be forced to officially acknowledge the rest of the women disccused on the "other" thread.

Well, if you are a US citizen, the question you may first want to ask is if the US government is willing to compensate or not. Let's not dodge responsibilities. You point fingers whenever you get a chance.

As to the "other" comfort women issue, the Japanese government has already accepted its responsibility. Whether you like how the issue has been settled or not is another issue.

 

[KirinMan]

Off topic reply here......

I have reported your attempt to troll.

FYI I do take offense at your calling me or insinuating that I am a troll. It was most gracious of you to report it.

On topic....

Well, if you are a US citizen, the question you should first ask is if the US government is willing to compensate or not. Let's not dodge responsibilities.

Interesting, it shouldnt matter if I am a US citizen or not, the issue of compensation however is clouded by the fact that the Japanese government built or provided the facilities and supplied the women that worked there. It was not done by the US Military, on that point there is no argument.

Since it is also a fact that not one Japanese women came forward to receive any compensation that they were entitled to from the Asian Women's Fund, there seems to be no way of actually knowing how many if any of these women are alive here in Japan today.

The end may have been the same.....women being used for sex.....BUT, the manner in which they were brought there is very different and that is where there can never be an equal accounting, no matter how much you may wish it to be.

You point fingers whenever you get a chance.

That's a joke, anyone actually reading along on this thread knows what I wrote and who I choose to lay the blame on. Your attempts at baiting me here are going to end up nowhere.

As to the "other" comfort women issue, the Japanese government has already accepted its responsibity. Whether you like how the issue has been settled or not is another issue.

And might I add that there are literally billions of people around the world that agree with me as well. I can live with that, secure in knowing that at least I am not denying the facts of both cases.

Can you live with that?

 

[caster51]

I think this is an interesting topic.
the confort womne's issue became the problem of occupation at that time of Japan. that is , there were so many violeces and rapings to the Japanese women.
it is possible for American justice to be ruin....
that is why american congress reported there is no evidence at all about forced confort women .
the some of them can not read its atmosphere...
today,USA policy in middle east was cornered .....
USA always bring " Japanese occupation was wonderful"
" we made the Japanese democracy"
it means USA is getting to be cornerd.
this established theory of them became foundation of american Justice
The United States justice collapses when Japan deny it .
it is like korea Annexation of japan and korean war in korean Public opinion
....
we should discuss it " how wonderful it was about....":
it is also their wish

 

[diceke]

Off topic reply here......
FYI I do take offense at your calling me or insinuating that I am a troll. It was most gracious of you to report it.

You are welcome.

On topic....
Interesting, it shouldnt matter if I am a US citizen or not, the issue of compensation however is clouded by the fact that the Japanese government built or provided the facilities and supplied the women that worked there. It was not done by the US Military, on that point there is no argument.

Finger-pointing again? We are questioning the role played by the US here. The US could have declined the offer of these women. (Well, if they were so disciplined enough.)

Since it is also a fact that not one Japanese women came forward to receive any compensation that they were entitled to from the Asian Women's Fund, there seems to be no way of actually knowing how many if any of these women are alive here in Japan today.

Then why do you think Japan can compensate these women, if none of them came forward?

The end may have been the same.....women being used for sex.....BUT, the manner in which they were brought there is very different and that is where there cahttps://jref.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=471100n never be an equal accounting, no matter how much you may wish it to be.

Why do you keep mentioning the "other" issue. Does it make you feel better?

And might I add that there are literally billions of people around the world that agree with me as well. I can live with that, secure in knowing that at least I am not denying the facts of both cases.
Can you live with that?

The "other" issue is legally settled, no matter what the majority believe. (Are you looking for a bandwagon effect? Another faulty reasoning here.) Hostile countries conclude treaties to settle all hostilities, that includes the settlement of all reparation issues, you have no idea what the treaties are about.
Try to be logical and consistent, Obeika. Lots of off-topic comments.

 

[caster51]

I think it is the best way...