U.S. troops used 'comfort women' after WWII

[caster51]

caster51 rapes occur on everyside in every war that ever took place on this planet. So what is your point that you are trying to make

yes I think so.

here is abbout amesican soldiers's comfort women

I say again there is no comfort women that japan forced.

history is not religion at all.

caster51 rapes occur on everyside in every war that ever took place on this planet. So what is your point that you are trying to make

yes I think so.

here is abbout amesican soldiers's comfort women

I say again there is no comfort women that japan forced.

history is not religion at all.

it is so uncivilized

 

[Goldiegirl]

Where did relgion come in? Yep, Japan let their women be used for sex and I am sure some woman were raped. No new news here. Denial, it's such a happy place..........................................................

 

[caster51]

Where did relgion come in?
there is no evidence....that you want to believe
it is very simple from lot of documment at that time.

it is like juses was revived☝

 

[KirinMan]

history is not religion at all.
yes I think so.
it is so uncivilized

Caster where in the heck does religion enter the subject? It comes across as nonsense to me.

I say again there is no comfort women that japan forced.

Caster you know that this isn't true either.

Yep, Japan let their women be used for sex and I am sure some woman were raped. No new news here. Denial, it's such a happy place............................................. .............

Sigh......I have to agree with you here.

 

[caster51]

Caster where in the heck does religion enter the subject? It comes across as nonsense to me

you should bring a doccument of some forced comfort women's comment.
name, age and situation....
then i will give you a opinion.
i think all of their testimony are interesting that is exposed a lie.

thet changed their testimony so many times.

 

[Goldiegirl]

I just have a question caster51...Do you think Japan has ever done anything wrong?

Would you even believe a foreign woman if she spoke to you personally I told you she was a comfort woman, or would you expect her to provide you with a written document from every Japanese soldier she "serviced". I don't think anyone could ever proove to you that comfort woman were forced by the Japanese government, because you will always want more, or that it's all a lie. It would be just as easy for me to say that US soldiers didn't use Japanese women because the documents are all lies and the Japanese woman are all liars. See.......

 

[caster51]

I just have a question caster51...Do you think Japan has ever done anything wrong?

hah?
i just say it is not necessary to admit what japan never did.
it is simple.

because the documents are all lies and the Japanese woman are all liars. See.......

that is why I said it is not religion thing so many times.

even so many Korean authority can not find it

 

[Goldiegirl]

caster51 Sorry I expected more of you...I guess that was my first mistake. At least most other people can admit to the mistakes their individual countries have made and still feel pride in their country. That takes real courage. Denial requires very little thought or substance...both of which your replies show.

 

[KirinMan]

you should bring a doccument of some forced comfort women's comment.
name, age and situation....
then i will give you a opinion.
i think all of their testimony are interesting that is exposed a lie.
thet changed their testimony so many times.

Caster you do realize that this thread is about the US Military using the Japanese run brothel's after the end of WWII here in Japan.

So you are saying here that the Japanese women changed their testimony so many times and exposed exactly what lie?

hah?
i just say it is not necessary to admitted what japan never did.
it is simple.

I would love for you to clarify this statement please. It could be read a number of different ways...for example

"It is simple to say that it isn't necessary for Japan to admit to any wrongdoings."

It would be just as easy for me to say that US soldiers didn't use Japanese women because the documents are all lies and the Japanese woman are all liars. See.......

Goldiegirl, I get your point here, I wonder if Caster does.

 

[caster51]

Denial requires very little intelligence or substance...both of which your replies show.

I dont think so
that is why we should offer the doccuments and objective evidence at that time.
it is not a denial yet.

 

[KirinMan]

that is why we should offer the doccuments and objective evidence at that time.
it is not a denial yet.

Caster read the OP here please........the "evidence" you so want is there.

 

[caster51]

So you are saying here that the Japanese women changed their testimony so many times and exposed exactly what lie?
Quote:hah?
i just say it is not necessary to admitted what japan never did.
it is simple.

Yes,they need an objective evidence in the trial.
however there were a lot of evidence because of investigation of hospital doctor and objective evidence at that time. thay was raped

Caster read the OP here please........the "evidence" you so want is there.

where?

 

[diceke]

I would still object to the term "comfort women" when applied to prostitutes. The term is specific to the systematic use of sex slaves by the Japanese military. It is a euphemism they created to hide a horrible and widespread war crime perpetrated by a government against thousands of women and girls. Throwing it around like it just means prostitute diminishes and dilutes the meaning.

It's not so clear-cut. The comfort women issue is a gray zone, and I would say it's similar to the problems that persist in the countries where prostitution is legalized. In today's Germany, where they openly legalize and regulate prostitution, they still fail to keep pimping under control, and many are forced into prostitution. This slave trade is a major focus of police work in Germany, yet it remains prevalent. Prostitution, by its own nature, borders on legality vs illegality.

Just don't play up or play down the issue, K?

 

[sabro]

Thanks diceke... I wasn't trying to cloud the issue at all, but just responding to what seemed to me to be the actions of others trying to minimize the scope and horror of an institutionalized, government sponsored crime.

I guess the main charge is that US troops used "comfort women" during the first 7 months of the occupation until the sex slave brothels were shut down... someone stated that this made the US complicit, "10% responsible..." Which doesn't make sense to me. It seemed to me a attempt to play down the issue and shift part of the responisibility.

 

[KirinMan]

... someone stated that this made the US complicit, "10% responsible..." Which doesn't make sense to me. It seemed to me a attempt to play down the issue and shift part of the responisibility.

Next time Sabro I might suggest reading the replies that were made to my thread about the percentages...., there should be no confusion.

Unfortunately the term Comfort Women has been tossed around so much that it is rather easy to get confused about what it is.

Comfort Women were the women that were or refers to the women that were forced into, coerced, sold into service or because of economic situations of the time, placed or forced into brothel's firstly servicing the Japanese Imperial Army from 1928 or so until 1945. It seems that the two "Comfort Women" and professional prostitutes worked together.

This also includes the Japanese women were put into service after WWII and the period of 7 months that the US Military used the Japanese serviced and run brothel's here in Japan. There evidently were both prostitutes and "Comfort Women" together there as well.

According to the dictionary the definition is;

A woman forced to serve as a prostitute for Japanese servicemen during World War II.

Which I also think should be ammended to include "women forced to serve as prostitutes for the US Military right after WWII "as well.

Prostitutes are prostitutes as you know. However there are those here that will argue that once, the women in the above mentioned paragraph defining comfort women, started "working" at the military brothel's they became prostitutes because they were paid for their work.

I for one disagree with that, just because they were paid didnt necessarily make them "prostitutes" in my opinion. Raping someone and then paying them for it doesn't justify the actions, only assuages the conscience of the abuser.

In a sense anyone that takes money for anything could be considered a prostitute.

 

[GodEmperorLeto]

Obeika, that pretty much nails this whole thing shut, I'd say. You've pretty much summed up everything worth saying, and I've got to admit, I have to concede a few points to you here and there, as well.

 

[sabro]

No disagreement here, Obeika. Well done.

 

[KirinMan]

GodEmperorLeto and sabro, thank you both for your comments here, I sincerely hope that our Japanese friends posting here will agree with this as well. Then this one can go to rest in the "archives" of Jref for future reference.

Unfortunately I have a feeling this isn't the last that we are going to hear about this subject.

Thanks again.

 

[diceke]

Wow, is that it?? You are not gonna discuss what the US should do about it??

 

[GodEmperorLeto]

Wow, is that it?? You are not gonna discuss what the US should do about it??

No, because the U.S. doesn't have to do a damn thing about it. I have yet to see Germany pay reparations to the Jews, or Mongolia apologize to China for two hundred years of Yuan Dynasty rule.

Please. This "reparations" bandwagon is pathetic and is just an excuse for people to play the victim card.

Besides, the U.S. didn't do it alone. Maybe the Japanese government should pay reparations to the families of the women they impressed into this service as well as the United States.

Like I said, lots of people like to point fingers and admonish their neighbors. You live in Taiwan, right? Are you going to do something about the fact that you've pushed the native Formosan population into the mountains so you can build your cities? No? Then quit expecting other people to fix what they've done, too.

Besides, this is something that can't be fixed. Better to learn from the mistake and get on with your life.

 

[diceke]

Like I said, lots of people like to point fingers and admonish their neighbors. You live in Taiwan, right? Are you going to do something about the fact that you've pushed the native Formosan population into the mountains so you can build your cities? No? Then quit expecting other people to fix what they've done, too.

Yeah, like I said, lots of americans like to wag fingers, I only wish they would do the same about their own country, too. Strange. When it comes to foreign affairs, they love to learn the mistakes of others, but not of their own..

 

[sabro]

The US government should immediately shut down the brothels suspected of being involved in the systematic use of sex slaves-- especially those used by US Soldiers and under US control...

Oh wait, they did that in 1946!

 

[leonmarino]

No, because the U.S. doesn't have to do a damn thing about it. I have yet to see Germany pay reparations to the Jews, or Mongolia apologize to China for two hundred years of Yuan Dynasty rule.

I believe Germany did they reparations to the Jews. I am not sure, but I know that Holland did; the state gave the victims' families an amount of money representing the worth of what the victims owned at the time of deportation. Also, the Amsterdam Stock Exchange and some other institutions repaid 314 million guilders (142 million euros) in 2000. I think, but not sure, that Germany did something similar.

Not to say that reparation money is all good. I'm personally not a fan of demanding money for pain suffered. But it is understandable maybe if you want some sort of recognition from the government involved..

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

To leonmarino,

Yes Germany compensated many of their victims and also acknowledged all war crimes commited.
And yes, Holland also compensated many of the the Jewish Dutch people

Home - Claims Conference

 

[KirinMan]

Wow, is that it?? You are not gonna discuss what the US should do about it??

Ok What do YOU think should be done?

The US government should immediately shut down the brothels suspected of being involved in the systematic use of sex slaves-- especially those used by US Soldiers and under US control...
Oh wait, they did that in 1946!

Hopefully the person in question that this is directed towards will "understand" what you are saying here.